Kyiv

[AntonioMontana]

Hi there!

I am going to Kiev in autumn, any advice for me? I was never there before and I am not sure where I should search for hotel / apartment? What is the best area? So not only for P6, but also for mongering in general, so bars and clubs? What is the situation currently? Where and how can one get to know the women in Kiev? And one stupid simple question: How do I get from the airport to the city center? I arrive at the airport which is quite far away and I do not want to be a victim of taxi driver rip off. So any advice? Public transportation, is this an option?

Thanks a lot for the help!

[NightOwl69]

You get in touch with a Ukrainian or Russian number via whatsapp. T

We have quite allot of those in Dubai, their price starts at 200 $ an hour and could go up to 1300 $ a night. Some book a hotel where you contact Russian or Ukrainian no via wahatsapp and they direct you and some go to clubs accompanied by and older age female manager who is in control of everything the.

IMHO for this kind of prices it would be much cheaper for me to fly to Kiev for a weekend. Personally when I find a girl on mamba or TG having pictures of her either in Dubai or Turkey I sat away from her. Few days ago I met a very cute girl on TG who worked in Dubai from short time, she wanted me to send her money, flowers, gifts just to get her interested to talk. When I told her if you find a fool to do that let me know because I have property in in Florida ocean side I would like to sell, she really got pissed and kept going on about how well she was treated (money wise in Dubai). So I guess we should all stay away from the ones worked outside abroad. Man its getting harder and harder for us.

Cheers.

[Kirch]

Totally agree! Once they are experienced and move to other countries they are nothing special anymore. Too much professional but still some of them are great GFE experience. But for double or triple money. Remember the times on Nevsky prospect in St. Petersburg in 1999 when every girl turned around and smiled to me because I am from Germany. Talked to them we ended up (after buying flowers, having coffee etc) in the hotel. Next morning one out of 3 situations appeared: 1) She asked for USD 200 and left 2) She gave me her number, said she is a student and were happy if I have some little money 3) she gave me her number and asked if we meet again. But nevertheless if 1), 2) or 3) = the sex was like great GFE!

I follow certain girls on FB and VK and can see some have relocated to Istanbul. I see only tourist photos for the Western cities mentioned by DND. Does not matter, once in a commercial circuit, they are no longer anything special.

[Riina]

But I heard as well that Istanbul should be good so I will test soon!

I follow certain girls on FB and VK and can see some have relocated to Istanbul. I see only tourist photos for the Western cities mentioned by DND. Does not matter, once in a commercial circuit, they are no longer anything special.

[DudeNextDoor]

You get in touch with a Ukrainian or Russian number via whatsapp. The manager sets up the appointment. Manager gives you the room number when you are at the hotel at the set meeting time. The girl will be waiting in her room, without a clue who will show up at her room door! Very few of them are freelancers or independents as the site categories them.

P.S: Be aware there is also an Ukrainian agency calls itself independent. (Just look at the phone numbers, if more then 1 independent girl has the same number then that is the agency!) Good Luck! Happy hunting!

So are these girls pimped now.

Instead of freelancing in Ukraine?

[Bill1963]

I agree with you %100! I been to Lviv, Kiev, Odessa and Kharkiv. Every time I visit, I feel like things in the mongering biz going down hill.

I have a Lviv trip coming up end of the month but I am not excited anymore like I used to be!

I been seeing the 18-19 year old Ukrainian and Russian skinny babes, model types at the incall set up at the 5 star hotel in Istanbul. Search thoroughly and you will find a 9 or 10! I look through the profiles at the escort news European site, then read the reviews (some reviews are fake-make sure the report is genuine before head out to the date) It is not cheap. About 200 USD an hour but it worth it when you pick the right one. There is a possibility of fake pictures %50. But, not in a bad way, I would say half of the fake Picture girls even look better then the fake pictures. Yes, when you end up with that %25 bad apples, just wak out. They will not demand Money or make a scene, since they are doing escorting at these nice hotels, they try to be on the low-low.

I talked to them and they travel from Paris to Athens, London to & Istanbul and so on every 2 weeks. When they go back to Kiev or Moscow, they are loaded with cash and they rest for a month or so and then they start travelling again for a few months.Comparing the asking price for Athens and Istanbul, 200 USD an hour girl in Istanbul is 100 Euros in Athens but I never mongered in Athens so I do not know how easy going things are in Athens.

I think this is how the 9's and 10's gone off the market in Kiev.

I would have recommend you Northern Cyprus but it would not be viable for you since you do not like Moldovan. %35-40 of the girls working at the clubs over there are Moldovan. I had one 21 years old skinny blonde for 1 hour multi-pops including motel room for 50 Euros. I cannot beat that anywhere I been to for a 7 or 8!

So are these girls pimped now.

Instead of freelancing in Ukraine?

[Kirch]

Yes, I was told so as well. Last weekend I was in London. I went to some locations as well to Strip Clubs but nothing like 9-10. I checked the hundreds of Escort webpages advertising with Russian girls but the photos are so much photoshopped! They all look not natural at all and ask for GBP 250 and up! But I heard as well that Istanbul should be good so I will test soon! Back in Dubai soon but the same over there! It was good until 4-5 years ago. But now only 4-7's and if you go to Chin Chin at Fairmont you have only those surgery babes that I don't like. Not easy.

I agree with you %100! I been to Lviv, Kiev, Odessa and Kharkiv. Every time I visit, I feel like things in the mongering biz going down hill.

I have a Lviv trip coming up end of the month but I am not excited anymore like I used to be!

I been seeing the 18-19 year old Ukrainian and Russian skinny babes, model types at the incall set up at the 5 star hotel in Istanbul. Search thoroughly and you will find a 9 or 10! I look through the profiles at the escort news European site, then read the reviews (some reviews are fake-make sure the report is genuine before head out to the date) It is not cheap. About 200 USD an hour but it worth it when you pick the right one. There is a possibility of fake pictures %50. But, not in a bad way, I would say half of the fake Picture girls even look better then the fake pictures. Yes, when you end up with that %25 bad apples, just wak out. They will not demand Money or make a scene, since they are doing escorting at these nice hotels, they try to be on the low-low...

[DudeNextDoor]

I agree with you %100! I been to Lviv, Kiev, Odessa and Kharkiv. Every time I visit, I feel like things in the mongering biz going down hill.

I have a Lviv trip coming up end of the month but I am not excited anymore like I used to be!

I been seeing the 18-19 year old Ukrainian and Russian skinny babes, model types at the incall set up at the 5 star hotel in Istanbul. Search thoroughly and you will find a 9 or 10! I look through the profiles at the escort news European site, then read the reviews (some reviews are fake-make sure the report is genuine before head out to the date) It is not cheap. About 200 USD an hour but it worth it when you pick the right one. There is a possibility of fake pictures %50. But, not in a bad way, I would say half of the fake Picture girls even look better then the fake pictures. Yes, when you end up with that %25 bad apples, just wak out. They will not demand Money or make a scene, since they are doing escorting at these nice hotels, they try to be on the low-low.

I talked to them and they travel from Paris to Athens, London to & Istanbul and so on every 2 weeks. When they go back to Kiev or Moscow, they are loaded with cash and they rest for a month or so and then they start travelling again for a few months.Comparing the asking price for Athens and Istanbul, 200 USD an hour girl in Istanbul is 100 Euros in Athens but I never mongered in Athens so I do not know how easy going things are in Athens.

I think this is how the 9's and 10's gone off the market in Kiev.

I would have recommend you Northern Cyprus but it would not be viable for you since you do not like Moldovan. %35-40 of the girls working at the clubs over there are Moldovan. I had one 21 years old skinny blonde for 1 hour multi-pops including motel room for 50 Euros. I cannot beat that anywhere I been to for a 7 or 8!

I've read the last posts and I totally agree that Kiev is not anymore what it used to be! For the last 5 years I've been to Kiev about 40 times.

It was great in the beginning in terms of 9 to 10's, attitude, fun and money!

I remember the times taking out from Rio 2 gorgeous girls for USD 250 each (price was always the same) but they stayed in my apartment until next day.

We had a lot of fun, drunk a lot and they did more than they normally do. Every Night I had a big problem at Rio which girl to take as there were so many 7-10's.

So the big question is where to go instead?

(I don't like Romanian, Bulgarian and Moldavian girls; Poland is not good; Kaschastan and Kyrgisia is too far.).

[Riina]

The uniqueness of the experience itself becomes central and the quantification of the experience or the service providers exterior fades into irrelevance.

Barba, these are wise words. I use to be of the thinking that I would only bang young hotties, but this just wasn't realistic in my US home city. What is realistic was meeting needy Euro moms in cheap motels for massage and blowjob and sometimes extra. What I discovered was freshly turned women not yet desensitized by sex like a hard hoe and unique personalities. Most are duds, but I do find women so excited to suck a strange mans cock that the excitement crosses over to me in a way not possible with a mechanical provider.

Also, just my take on Kiev. Theirs always new young hoes coming to town ready to make their fast buck. Problem is they wise up real quick to their value in the world. It's a never ending game to hunt down the new girls ready to share their pussy for cash..

[Namster]

Hi all,

I long time lurker and felt the need to post my opinion since I have been there on and off 4 times a month in the hey days of 2008-2011. First thing I noticed is the strip bar, lingerie, sex shops seem to have doubled. Almost Every Taxi driver (young guys) are trying to take you to Dolls or one of the two apartment houses 1600 uah or 1200 uah and this is after you already mentioned you only need to go to Ocean Plaza IMHO it is definitely no better now for the Normal Joe as it more difficult in every way. The usual P4P clubs Avalon (disco), Vodka Bar, Decadence even SkyBar was closed. The real sign for me was the demise of Shooters (Every Ex-pats) Dream on a Sunday ladies night when at midnight the Curtains would open and a club full of already horny and drunk girls. Instead now there is no curtain and no girls, just a bar full of mostly Turkish, Mixed other nations and counted 3 girls until I left. This is not the Kiev I remember and it is quite sad. As a first time visitor now to Kiev you may wonder what all the fuss is about but unless you have been there since the start you know that now it extremely dull and lacking in any real atmosphere. A real shame and I do hope that things improve.

[Kirch]

I've read the last posts and I totally agree that Kiev is not anymore what it used to be! For the last 5 years I've been to Kiev about 40 times.

It was great in the beginning in terms of 9 to 10's, attitude, fun and money!

I remember the times taking out from Rio 2 gorgeous girls for USD 250 each (price was always the same) but they stayed in my apartment until next day.

We had a lot of fun, drunk a lot and they did more than they normally do. Every Night I had a big problem at Rio which girl to take as there were so many 7-10's.

Now they have about 95% chubby and average girls. And if I spot a great one she either regret to come to me to the apartment or the service is bad and they want.

To leave after 2 or 3 hours.

Same with Mamba where I always had some girls for the day action. Now only spam or average chicas want money like a 10 in Moscow!

On the street the same, in the good old days almost every gorgeous girl on Kreshatic smiled to you if you smiled to them and if you asked for their number and a coffee, it worked.

Still I'm at least lucky with one girl when I'm there. But it's not worth it going there only for this! (Speaking of this, I will be in Kiev this weekend.

I'm from Germany and here the prices are very low and the quantity great but we have a Romanian overload at the FKK clubs. Not good anymore, Where have all the Russians gone?

So the big question is where to go instead?

Is Moscow and St. Petersburg good again? Was there lots of times from 1999 until 2010. But the same over there, the last years were not good anymore.

I was thinking about Minsk?

(I don't like Romanian, Bulgarian and Moldavian girls; Poland is not good; Kaschastan and Kyrgisia is too far.).

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[Member #4491]

I travel extensively all over the world, with a lot of free time, and I can only concur. Why anyone would choose Kiev based only on poonani, escapes me.

Germany, England, Spain, Asia, Caribbean, Africa, South America. You name it.

If you are going due to work, by all means enjoy and do the best of it. But Rio rip off, half ass erotic massages and the Mamba lottery really does not justify a flight to Kiev considering what is out there waiting for your hard earned marmaca.

B

[Horny Monger]

You are right. Quality for the same buck has gone down a lot since 2011. Specially last couple of years it is becoming more and more difficult to locate an overall attractive package (looks wise), and almost impossible to get perfect looks and perfect service unless you are willing to spend about 7 x or 8 x the going rate for the rank and file (5's and 6's).

The economy being down is not helping either with prices at the very high end. There is enough of limited market for limited supply in that category.

It is lot of work, good grooming and looks, to score anything semi-pro or amateur.

Wish it was 2010 and 2011 again!

Peter.

Thanks for your comment. You pointed out the very facts and added another dimension that inexperienced naive would-be mongers in Kiev don't realize. They're misled by many polluted posts here thinking that it's easy and cheap. As AColonizer wrote earlier: " this thread has become a den of pimps telling marketing-oriented tales in order to attract inexperienced men in Kiev."
The fact is that it's harder and more expensive than elsewhere in Europe.

[Horny Monger]

7?

Are you serious?

Have you ever been to top place in Kiev? Like Cerebro or some city beach outside the city?

I visit 5 apartments there was only a girl worth 7, the rest chubby and with sad face.

I was just being generous with the scores since there're many overrated scores giving here by many mongers.

Obviously, most girls should be rated even lower on their looks.

[Horny Monger]

I will say after 3 weeks is completely dead thanks ti all those Amy of sex tourist overpaying, the economic crisis who has destroyed all the middle class it was till one years ago.

And the fly of thousand of girl from city, especially those more open minded to west culture and speaking good English.

Once it was easy to find great girl open, funny, goo attitude.

Those who consider foreigners are only the prostitute, and if not they all need a lot of attention and money. Most are people without any helps from anybody, salary down m inflation, everything contributes to a situation where even the best person will soon ask for help.

I don't blame them and I feel ashamed I couldn't help some girl I had a relation in the past but it's clear that they will need forever money, and when you stop helping they stop fucking.

They are also not to be blamed cause really the quality and level of people coming in this country has fallen down. Tons of poor Arab, poor countrymen from any country.

Dressed in the most bizarre manner I have ever seen, those cute girl who walk with those old European that make the Ukrainians looks like Richard here. Really terrible.

Time to look for another country, maybe more expensive but where you can really act a free mongering, I mean not paying in advance for sex, with good quality.

Personally I don't understand why people come here to pay. Most of the girl that work as prostitute are not even near the 5, I mean those who ask the price you read here. For good very good quality you spent more than some western country.

Anyway game over as far as me. Maybe in two years with a change of situation and a gryvna back to 10 it will get back a normal place, now is really something terrible.

I agree that "Time to look for another country. Most of the girl that work as prostitute are not even near the 5, I mean those who ask the price you read here. For good very good quality you spent more than some western country."

This brings back my point earlier that it's better and cheaper to go mongering elsewhere, i.e. in another country.