Kyiv

[Volpone]

In mamba 100 dollar and more are asked by semi pro in most cases if they not like your profile or your photos.

Personally I have never paid more than 50 dollar for medium quality to good quality. Sure if you look for the top profile they will ask you much more than 100 dollar.

People in my opinion don't realize that's even if Kiev is poor and gryvna is worth nothing, in Kiev there are an army of beautiful cosmopolitan girl who travel the world, have collected much more money than me and many years in their life thanks to their pussy and will never fuck for less than 300 500 dollar.

I wrote if you come in Kiev to deal only with mamba girl stay home or go Thailand. Is totally nonsense. Kiev is left for real professional longer who can stay longer time and can find the real young gem unspoiled.

Most of girl after 19-20 are already fucked up completely. Instagram has destroyed this world and the situation in Kiev is dramatic. Personally I will go in Russia next year to see the difference. I suspect the visa regime has preserved something.

As I wrote I've got my old ones, my old contacts, it means about 10-15 girls that I can get for a good price.

I totally agree with you, coming here for 1 or 2 weeks, it's wasting time. Better to go to Germany or to Spain or to Thailand as you say.

[LuisVega11]

In mamba 100 dollar and more are asked by semi pro in most cases if they not like your profile or your photos.

Personally I have never paid more than 50 dollar for medium quality to good quality. Sure if you look for the top profile they will ask you much more than 100 dollar.

People in my opinion don't realize that's even if Kiev is poor and gryvna is worth nothing, in Kiev there are an army of beautiful cosmopolitan girl who travel the world, have collected much more money than me and many years in their life thanks to their pussy and will never fuck for less than 300 500 dollar.

I wrote if you come in Kiev to deal only with mamba girl stay home or go Thailand. Is totally nonsense. Kiev is left for real professional longer who can stay longer time and can find the real young gem unspoiled.

Most of girl after 19-20 are already fucked up completely. Instagram has destroyed this world and the situation in Kiev is dramatic. Personally I will go in Russia next year to see the difference. I suspect the visa regime has preserved something.

[Volpone]

The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?

Never had that issue. Try maybe to get their phone number right away and then you can chat with them on Viber. If you are in Kiev or if you say that you are in Kiev, you should get some phone numbers easily.

However as Mamba is getting worst and worst, it's more wasting time to chat on that website. The good thing with Mamba was to get a non-pro, an amateur girl, a fresh girl that is not in the sex business. You have less and less girls of that kind on Mamba now and furthermore generally speaking prices are rising for a low quality fresh girls. I don't talk about pros, that usually ask 100 euro for sex and BBBJ for one hour (Berlin, Spain prices) After about 10 days chatting on that website, I might get one new fresh amateur student girl tonight. Let's see if I will get a new one or if I still have to call my old ones.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Mamba is inundated with agencies having multiple computers and browsers and phones all open. I have posted a few pages back how to deal with it, but yes it is definitely nowhere near what it used to be.

The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?

[BellBottomsDJ]

Mamba is inundated with agencies having multiple computers and browsers and phones all open. I have posted a few pages back how to deal with it, but yes it is definitely nowhere near what it used to be.

The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?

[Sean EZ]

More and more pros on Mamba. It's sad and discouraging. Where are the fresh amateur girls, that make Mamba so special?

I guess that the mafia uses Mamba to get more money, because they don't get enough customers in private flats. Furthermore all the girls I chat with ask me the same price as in Berlin, around 100 euro for 1 hour sex, BBBJ and 69. Forget it. I am glad to have my old contacts)))))).

Mamba is inundated with agencies having multiple computers and browsers and phones all open. I have posted a few pages back how to deal with it, but yes it is definitely nowhere near what it used to be.

[LuisVega11]

They are normal girls, but remember Ukrainian girls are filth. Meaning they will try to take advantage of you because you are not one of them. And they are so sexualized they know why you are approaching them. So, stand firm and talk to them like ordinary person. I approach by trying to come off as stupid foreigner that needs help. And then I talk some more, but making chit-chat isn't in their culture so they are hard to get words out. So, I am always very brief with them. Sometimes they say they have a boyfriend, but I just mention so? What he doesn't know can't hurt him and if she mentions she is happy with him, but doesn't walk away. Boom! You got a score, keep chatting, but make it more sexual and not too explicit. I almost always give some amount of money to the girl, depending on her behavior. If she is nice, I ask to see her again and give her 500 UAH, she is bad? 50.

Well you are presenting the situation a bitter too easy from what I think and see. Gulliver is upscale. Telling other that you stop a girl ask her to fuck after some chit chat and she come fuck and you give her 500 gryvna only drive many to conclusion that is so easy that planes full of people are boarding direction Gulliver. Please stop spreading this stuff.

[LuisVega11]

Thanks for the info Tomas. And you are completely right! However, for us visitors in Kiev it shouldn't make sense to put up with ' their dreams '! If they want to make $1000/ night, they can go to Dubai. And, what makes the girls charging 1600 UAH different from the $300? The problem are the guys that pay them this amount. If every monger would turn anything down that's over $150. They will learn!

The problem is that Kiev is the capital. Kiev looks poor but has lot of money especially now. An every girl has an instagram account that boost their ego.

Personally I stay long term and only 2 3 months work. Even one month is not enough for good hunting. But the flood of sexual tourist has inflated the market.

In summer I chatted with a booby girl from rivne. She is thin with 3,5 boobs athletic good face, we chat all summer and she looks interested in very little money. She plan to move in Kiev in September 4 and I plan to go the 5. I had problem so I couldn't go before 21. Before she arrive we plan a sponsorship. 600 800 gryvna day. She look super happy at phone. But after I had to put off the trip she become changing. The city become changing her fast.

I know 21 was late probably. 17 she told me she found job in strip. I know she was completely fucked up. I arrive 21, I managed to fuck here twice, but she did, mechanically, I gave her 800 and 600, and after some days she wrote me she wanted 350 dollar every meet. That man pay her 500 dollar only for walking. Bla bla. I said her fuck off and we cancel each number. I saw her instagram she's changing super fast. 3 months ago playing with chicken in garden in village now acting like superstar in some bar in Kiev. But she has bad teeth so and is cheap so she won't have a lot of road in Kiev if she not change faster. But she has potential to be a top, because body is impressive, super thin with so big boobs, very small pussy. Super ass.

Lesson learned: after they arrive in Kiev one week is already late they are fucked up. So it's good travel in some cities found girl to invite in Kiev or found student from outside still not spoiled. As told by another user take metro and go to suburbs, center is spoiled.

Personally Kiev is much better of the country I live so even if its already a mess compared to Yanukovich era I still can't not come back often. In addiction I plan a little artistic business who create to me a little round of friend, man and woman, normal people with culture and good money, who open me to other people and woman.

[LuisVega11]

Going in Kiev nowadays for paying only sex for short trip is something hat should be punished with 5 years of jail minimum.

I don't understand why people insist. You want easy sex? Go to FKK Thailand. Those who come short trip will be scammed as hell and is the right destiny.

Most of all you are simply destroying the market for long term hunters and resident cause every foreigners are now considered bloody shoot by any girl.

That's why they scam and ask money a lot of them, especially if you are unattractive and old.

What you expect? They prefer to earn one time 200 dollar than 6 times 30. And now Kiev is full of eastern Ukrainian rich people from Arabs turks international agency workers who can pay a and pay.

The only think that work is daytime but again it needs skills physical quality and the rest.

Please if you want to pay go somewhere else.

[Volpone]

More and more pros on Mamba. It's sad and discouraging. Where are the fresh amateur girls, that make Mamba so special?

I guess that the mafia uses Mamba to get more money, because they don't get enough customers in private flats. Furthermore all the girls I chat with ask me the same price as in Berlin, around 100 euro for 1 hour sex, BBBJ and 69. Forget it. I am glad to have my old contacts)))))).

[Enjoy37]

One of the reason prices in Kiev are expensive because all top shelf pussy are either in Dubai making USD 1000 a day or more or already on a payroll from rich locals who can pay them 1 k a week + car and apartment to depend on him. Their friends know this and think why am I different? I should charge more for my pussy. If you want to meet these type of girls join Tsarsky sports club and you will see what I mean because they don't go to any bars that all of you mention here.

If you want to meet local down to earth girls and have time to chit chat in the malls go to Dream Town in Obolon, Metro Minska or to Sky Mall but you need a taxi to get there. Another one is Ocean Plaza. Gulliver is expensive for most of the local girls.

A recent development is that IT programmers who make good money start to sponsor girls to be with them long term, but they don't fuck them often so these girls are looking for extra fun. Look out for them.

Thanks for the info Tomas. And you are completely right! However, for us visitors in Kiev it shouldn't make sense to put up with ' their dreams '! If they want to make $1000/ night, they can go to Dubai. And, what makes the girls charging 1600 UAH different from the $300? The problem are the guys that pay them this amount. If every monger would turn anything down that's over $150. They will learn!

[Tomas11]

One of the reason prices in Kiev are expensive because all top shelf pussy are either in Dubai making USD 1000 a day or more or already on a payroll from rich locals who can pay them 1 k a week + car and apartment to depend on him. Their friends know this and think why am I different? I should charge more for my pussy. If you want to meet these type of girls join Tsarsky sports club and you will see what I mean because they don't go to any bars that all of you mention here.

If you want to meet local down to earth girls and have time to chit chat in the malls go to Dream Town in Obolon, Metro Minska or to Sky Mall but you need a taxi to get there. Another one is Ocean Plaza. Gulliver is expensive for most of the local girls.

A recent development is that IT programmers who make good money start to sponsor girls to be with them long term, but they don't fuck them often so these girls are looking for extra fun. Look out for them.

[Volpone]

They are normal girls, but remember Ukrainian girls are filth. Meaning they will try to take advantage of you because you are not one of them. And they are so sexualized they know why you are approaching them. So, stand firm and talk to them like ordinary person. I approach by trying to come off as stupid foreigner that needs help. And then I talk some more, but making chit-chat isn't in their culture so they are hard to get words out. So, I am always very brief with them. Sometimes they say they have a boyfriend, but I just mention so? What he doesn't know can't hurt him and if she mentions she is happy with him, but doesn't walk away. Boom! You got a score, keep chatting, but make it more sexual and not too explicit. I almost always give some amount of money to the girl, depending on her behavior. If she is nice, I ask to see her again and give her 500 UAH, she is bad? 50.

It can work if you are young and quite good looking and you know how to spot the kind of girls that would agree to go with you, because they are attracted to you. They don't go with you, because you are a foreigner or for money, they just go with you, because that will be fun for them to have sex with a good looking stranger.

[AZN Monger]

Thank you for your advice. I will look for other places than strip. I was suggested "Chi" club but Decadence, in which Chi is located, seems to exclude non-Russian foreigners, as does Skybar. I am an Asian.

How about Shooters, Arena, D'lux, Coyote ugly saloon, Caribbean club? Pro- or Semi-pro are OK, as far as they are young and nice looking, although I prefer non-pro.

Mamba is interesting but I cannot waste a week in Kiev for fakes.

I respect Germans but FKK may be too outright for me. I would prefer meeting one-to-one in my apartment room.

I'm also Asian and I've never been turned away at any club or other places with face control. Dress up and look nice. It's Ukraine, you can't look like a slob.

[CastOnThis]

Hi Castonthis,

Thanks again for your kind advice again. Guliver seems interesting. How do you pickup (or negotiate with?) the women in the Guliver mall or underground mall? They are normal citizens or semi-pros? If semi-pro, how do you know they are?

They are normal girls, but remember Ukrainian girls are filth. Meaning they will try to take advantage of you because you are not one of them. And they are so sexualized they know why you are approaching them. So, stand firm and talk to them like ordinary person. I approach by trying to come off as stupid foreigner that needs help. And then I talk some more, but making chit-chat isn't in their culture so they are hard to get words out. So, I am always very brief with them. Sometimes they say they have a boyfriend, but I just mention so? What he doesn't know can't hurt him and if she mentions she is happy with him, but doesn't walk away. Boom! You got a score, keep chatting, but make it more sexual and not too explicit. I almost always give some amount of money to the girl, depending on her behavior. If she is nice, I ask to see her again and give her 500 UAH, she is bad? 50.