Kyiv

[Rugga]

Just bought a 10 day trip to Kiev and then started to RTFF (((

All I see is scams everywhere. Expensive clubs, I mean 2 or 3k deposit, 800+ for a dance who needs it if you can't fuck?

Salons are massage / happy ending only. What's the point of you can't fuck?

All the escort sites are bait and switch, heavily photoshopped, nice girls are 3-4k!

Bad service mentioned in some reports.

Fuck that. Feel so stupid ((( Probably sounding like a cheapskate since I spend much more on girls in Western Europe. But I thought I was going to bloody Eastern Europe!!!

Fellows please put me out of my misery. I am looking for outcalls or incalls where there is a decent lineup to choose from (around 2 k Hryvna for hour with a grade 7 ok with me).

Any clubs where you can take to a room (for sex not just a dance)? Or even take out for around 3 k?

Is this doable for a first timer in Kiev?

Thanks fellows )

[Member #4722]

Just had a date with Katrin from Mamba. 2500 for an hour. She was high on my list but we lost communication but I tried again and she agreed to come over. She has a girl next door look in pictures and looks tall and athletic. In person she had pretty face but she was a little fat. But she had huge DD tits so I bring out the oil for some titty sex. CBJ but she was open to directions and she went so deep she had tears running down her face. Did DATY. She said she liked it but if she came she was silent. Did a couple positions and finished and she was out the door. Wasn't attracted to her so no repeat for me, even though it was a fun time.

[NorskKing]

Took a premium membership to see what range of girls they offer.

Below are my strong but personal opinion. Mileage MayVary.

There whole business model makes sense in cities where girls contact is absolutely difficult to dig. The range of girls for standard price are average at best even in the photoshoot type setup pics.

There are girls everywhere in Kiev. Tens of famous bars, strip clubs, massage parlours, Showaround girls, brokers and agencies, and on the street sometimes for crying out loud who are dying to make you contact a girl. I would not pay extra for contact in Kiev as this is resources are in abundance at least for me. I would rather go to strip clubs and take a girl home after some fun at club.

Ohmy girls is not for me. 100% not paying for contacts.

[PhotoSlider]

Finally had my first true Kyiv hottie from Mamba.

Rog,

You rock!

Some of us like assured quality delivery, stability in reliable partner. I do too. And yet, going to sleep, thinking that 24 hours ago I had no idea what this day that just ended would bring me, nothing can be better.

Raising a glass of champagne to all my friends currently in Kiev!

[PhotoSlider]

The first thing I want to talk about is the clandestine lesbian team.

These two-girl teams do not have to be lesbian at all. As long as this business model makes sense, they will do it. With, or more often without providing sex to their victims, or having sex between them two. The whole point is to make money, and to gain emotional satisfaction by dominating their male counterpart.

IMO, chances are significantly higher while targeting single girls. They seem less restrained. No competition between them, and no unnecessary shyness.

An as far as passing the payment to civilians without hurting their feelings. I put the envelope in the purse, either while the girl sees me doing it, or while she takes the exit shower. Envelope, not cash. They always write back grateful and happy. That's BTW is another criteria. Hardened pro would never leave her personal things out of her reach while taking shower before or after sex. Civilians do. But I do not browse in their stuff.

Never ever had anybody objecting.

The key is agreeing upon the mutually acceptable payment level in the beginning, and then not return to ever discussing it.

If the girl asks for more, that means that I didn't feel like taking her shopping, or didn't entertain her enough, and probably she wasn't that great. It means both of us are not fully satisfied, meaning business is not good. Forcing her to be better is no fun. Besides, explaining to Ukrainian woman "what her place is" may backfire, they value their freedom.

When the girl asks for more through Viber or Telegram after our meeting, I typically ignore, and she leaves on her own, our meetings come to an end.

I had some very rare breed of girls in Kiev and Costa Rica that didn't allow me to spend too much on them. Those are the keepers.

Other than that, the key with Ukrainians is to "help", not to "pay". With good ones I take it even higher. I identify what they truly need, - not want but need. And make sure they do not waste my money on stupid shit, like Apple Airpods, or drinking with her girls, smoking iQos, etc. It can be as simple as shoes. 80-150 dollars at Ocean Plaza will go a long way, she will walk in those, and think of you. Some of us, mongers will not have time for this. I enjoy it. Especially taking my young partners out for lingerie shopping. So much fun taking their measurements, sometimes even discovering that my 20 years old didn't realize her bra went one size up, and her eyes lit up so proud at this special moment!

[Member #4722]

Just had a date with Zara from Mamba. Date was so-so. Her pictures portrayed a tan middle eastern looking Barbie doll with big tits. She showed up looking more natural and was much prettier than her pics. She was tired from a day at the beach and almost canceled our 24:00 meeting. But we moved it up to 23:00 so all was good. $150 + taxi which was supposed to be for a couple hours, but she left after an hour and I was ok with it because there wasn't great chemistry.

She was really beautiful though. For me, 7 face and 8 body. Slim waist with perky large breasts and great bubble butt. Amazing legs. She takes care of herself. I don't know what's gotten into me but I'm obsessed with titty fucking the last couple weeks. Rubbed some baby oil on her ass and tits and she gave me very nice tit fuck. I haven't hooked up in a couple days and was real close to losing it so moved on. She gave me CBJ with deepthroat. Would have spent more time there but with condom it gets boring. Gave her DATY she was very responsive and came in 5 minutes. Her pussy was a work of art. Went through 4-5 positions until I was finished and she was out the door. She said no to kissing and gave covid as an excuse and I tried anyways with no luck. Would repeat if she was more open because she was hot but with the restrictions I will not repeat.

[PhotoSlider]

I would say its 50/50 that's she was looking if there was a contact from you in this case.

I also had similiar things happening where the girl catch you and suddenly look at you and then look away.

My advice is to ask the girl for direction to somewhere.

Maybe you looking for some place, could be a bank, shop or so.

So just ask if she know your on the right path.

If she is friendly ask her if she either now or another time want a drink etc.

There is nothing to loose.

Solid advice. She will not frown on you, as obviously she showed the interest. Even if she didn't. Practice your street skills. At least 1 out of 20 girls that grabbed your attention visually will respond and then lots of good can happen.

You may ask for coffee instead of a drink, and then see how it develops. Ask her if she knows a good place to have a coffee, and maybe a bite to eat. Be friendly, confident, but not arrogant / obnoxious. When she explains, ask if she can show something on her way, and as you get closer there, ask if she wants to join you for a few minutes. 50/50 indeed.

There are hundreds of beautiful scantily clad in this hot weather girls strolling the streets, riding subway, all over Kiev. People watching is my favorite. And don't worry about the age difference, do not overthink, - act. Wish I was there!

[Hestendk]

It's very interesting to be in Kiev. It's impossible to understand the local's standpoint in life compared to one's own (for at least in my case) because of the difference in material abundance since childhood and because of this, I can hardly blame for the lack of morality and the incessant opportunism that some individuals resort to. It's easy to have high stantards when one doesn't have to lose anything because of them.

I don't know why a girl would look for a paying sponsor (for sex) from the streets, since there's all these apps. And I'm not confident enough to believe that she just likes older men and tried to get my attention to ask her number. Have you guys had similar exoeriences, or heard of such behavior?

I would say its 50/50 that's she was looking if there was a contact from you in this case.

I also had similiar things happening where the girl catch you and suddenly look at you and then look away.

My advice is to ask the girl for direction to somewhere.

Maybe you looking for some place, could be a bank, shop or so.

So just ask if she know your on the right path.

If she is friendly ask her if she either now or another time want a drink etc.

There is nothing to loose.

[Desin]

It's very interesting to be in Kiev. It's impossible to understand the local's standpoint in life compared to one's own (for at least in my case) because of the difference in material abundance since childhood and because of this, I can hardly blame for the lack of morality and the incessant opportunism that some individuals resort to. It's easy to have high stantards when one doesn't have to lose anything because of them.

So, I've met one girl for sex and today I went to Dream Salon. I had booked a girl, but luckily I forgot to say it when I arrived early, so four girls came to show themselves and I was able to change (I did actually slip the name, so I made her feel bad probably. But this "Vika" had the cutest face when she laughed, it was a moment of emotional sincerity and since I try to choose girls based how honest and kind they appear to be, she was the girl to go to. It was my first time in such a massage, so at first I could ejaculate, it was weird. But then she tried a different approach, slow jerking off while lying next to me, head next to mine. And then I realized to use my imagination, instead of only focusing on bodily sensations. That got me over the edge.

I don't know how you are supposed to cum multiple times, because first half of the one hour massage (1500 +200 tip) you are on your stomach. Her English wasn't so good that I would ask if she would have jerked me off almost right at the start, so I could have had two times. But it was better this way, one big one.

Couple of girls I had established contact before arriving are not in Kiev now, so there went a lot of hours. Another two that I had a semi-good feeling seem to have kind of an attitude or personality that I don't find appealing. So at this moment, I have one pre-established contact that I'm looking forward to, and I'm trying Tinder. I have high hopes for a girl I found there, we'll meet up for a drink first. I think I'll keep 3000 as maximum price for first meeting, but the target price for subsequent hour-long meetings would be near 2000. That way I wouldn't think about money whenever I got the feeling for fucking.

There's a shitload of 18-23 year old Instagram girls in Tinder, collecting followers from older men. Also, I noticed an interesting manouver from a young lady in the center. One who had both the ass and the pants to make it noticeable. She was casually using her phone when I noticed her, as I walked past her. Little bit later she caught up with me and passed me, changed her walking line to directly in front of me, and at the next crosswalk, when the lights were red, she stopped, turned around and again focused on her phone. She dodn't make eye contanct, but at this point my intuition, which had first woken up by her way of making sure I see how amazing her thight ass is, came to alertness. Only as I passed by her did she make a very fast head movement to look at me, like she had been aware of me instead of focusing on her phone. This made me think was sge looking for someone to pay the settings for her Saturday night Instagram-pictures.

I don't know why a girl would look for a paying sponsor (for sex) from the streets, since there's all these apps. And I'm not confident enough to believe that she just likes older men and tried to get my attention to ask her number. Have you guys had similar exoeriences, or heard of such behavior?

[ShawMan74]

Getting back into the swing of things here on the forum (and one of the best borards of the forum I might add), just prepping for my upcoming stay in the jewel city of Kiev. I wanted to talk on a couple of topics that I see keep coming up in one form or another.

The first thing I want to talk about is the clandestine lesbian team. These are girls who hang out at clubs and pose as though they are with a friend of theirs, but what guys don't immediately realize is that they are more than just friends, they are actually life partners. There will be the "wife" and the pretty one. The latter is used to bait the guy in, but the former is usually quietly effing up in ways that cost the guy money he didn't want to spend. An example would be waiting for the guy to use the restroom to order expensive drinks for the table the guy may or may not have cash on hand to pay for, causing a situation where the group may be in a bind. Then the wife pops off about the guy's "duty" or whatever. Another is when they want to go to your place, but want to stop off at a store first. The wife of the duo will start shopping for a bunch of stuff and try pawning the guy off at the cashier to pay for it all. The rendezvous ends up at the guy's place, but a happy ending is all that they offer because ultimately they are for eachother. But the guy finds that out the hard way. They may not be bad people necessarily, but just understand that as much as the pretty one sells the idea that she is available to the guy (by context clues including any direct communication, etc), she never will be. It aint going to happen. They only come as a duo, by any means they will always find a way to exploit an extra cost, but at best a happy ending is all the guy is ever going to get. The guy will be made to waste time and resources in the meantime. This is how the duo gets by in life. The twist in all of this is that the wife is actually squandering the pretty one's life away in silly BS, but the pretty one won't realize it until it is too late.

The second thing I want to talk about is proper form. I am only learning this one through experience and am grateful to all those who are versed in ukrainian culture, who grace me with their friendship. These adventures teach me I am merely a student in this life. This culture has its particular protocols (which makes me love it more). I'll give an example of what I mean, so last time I was there (and I didn't report this), the oddest thing, out of nowhere I got lucky. I won't get into it (right now) but basically a girl at my hangout bar wanted to spend the night with me. As I explained to my driver / confidant, maybe the universe gave me "frequent flyer" credit or something? There was no compensation involved. Hell, I practically had to hand feed the poor thing breakfast in the morning and then slap her hand as she was trying to pay. Afterward, I asked my driver about what is the right way in such matters by ukrainian culture when the universe gives you a free one? He explained that what you do is be clandestine, "pay without paying". You tell the girl that you absolutely want to make sure she gets home safe and sound, and you put something like 300 UAH in her hand as you insist she take a cab home. Everyone knows no cab costs that much. And everyone knows she is going to take the train home and pocket the difference. But maybe she'll call you back).

[Member #4722]

Finally had my first true Kyiv hottie from Mamba. Tall blonde. For me she was a 7.5. Had fake pictures on mamba but sent me real pics via WhatsApp. She's in her early 20's and has a child. Says she got fat after kid but ditched her deadbeat ex and got a revenge body going. Great legs, amazing breasts and bubble butt + amazing face. 2500 + taxi and she let slip that she drove herself but I didn't complain about the extra 250. She said no kissing but we started kissing a lot during sex. She said no DATY but agreed she would on next visit. Covered blow job but very enthusiastic.

I will share this contact with only a couple good friends on this board so don't bother asking.

[CallSignRomeo]

1 - Why is this? Because she can have fake pics and create you problems if you refuse to oay her?

6 - why this? Because those places can be a trap with thieves who will steal your money?

Ivan has given some good advice, there is always possibility of getting robbed by accomplices of the girl in any country of the world including Ukraine.

[Member #4722]

Blue short hair? I'm asking if this happens to be the same girl I'm going to meet as my first one.

I think her hair color is kind of different than her profile but that's probably her.

[Desin]

The goth girl just left. She was actually really cute was pretty boring. She was tiny girl 21 probably under 100 pounds. It's funny because she stays in the same building as me in a dorm and she is one floor up from my apartment. I had some good weed and she likes to smoke so after our session she was smoking all my weed and had to tell her to leave. If she gave good service I would repeat for sure at 1200 but she was boring.

Blue short hair? I'm asking if this happens to be the same girl I'm going to meet as my first one.

[Ringudor]

1) Never invite a girl you never saw in real live to your hotel / apartment in Kyiv.

6) don't accept girls' invitations to continue party in some cool places in the middle of nowhere (either its her apartment or some cool night club in Kyiv suburbs).

Hope you enjoy your stay in Kyiv!

1 - Why is this? Because she can have fake pics and create you problems if you refuse to oay her?

6 - why this? Because those places can be a trap with thieves who will steal your money?