Kyiv

[Jojosun]

Thanks.

For this information and happy to know that there is now a better option to Mamba.

Please let me know the web details to see this Fdating.

Thanks.

I wouldn't get too excited before reading reviews of the site.

https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/fdating.com

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/fdating.com

[MagicSheep74]

Hi,

I am in Kiev now and hard to find a quite cheap and beautiful girl, surely because some used to pay a lot for girls the prices increased.

Our great hobby will be only for the rich in few years.

We already can't have the change to find a good girl as GF for free and soon we won't be able to get laid at all.

If some feel pity for me and know good number, place where to find the last heaven in Kiev.

Thank for your help.

Our great hobby is still a great hobby, but just not in Ukraine.

Cheap and beautiful, these 2 words do not apply to women in Ukraine.

Here are your 2 options.

Rio. Stripclub.

Scarlette. Stripclub.

$300 take out for a reasonably attractive girl.

[Sponsor74]

I do have a tip for you that want an alternative to Mamba and Tinder. Fdating is a totally free international dating site, from my experience almost free of scam-girls.

Most of the girls are from Russia and Ukraine and there can be over 1000 girls online an evening. There are many, many from Kiev.

It works best with a computer, its not an app.

Thanks.

For this information and happy to know that there is now a better option to Mamba.

Please let me know the web details to see this Fdating.

Thanks.

[Misterxxx]

I regret my searches for discussion about Gia return nothing. I don't know why this happens.
But may I ask if anyone knows why Gia closed it's business? gia.la is dead.

Gia was in the business for a very long time.

Almost two decades.

Much can happen during this time.

It was known that Gia was protected by the police.

But in 20 years many policemen come and go.

Maybe the bosses are different today.

Maybe the new chiefs of the police are more honest.

Maybe the bosses just wanted more money.

And Gia did not pay.

Ukrainians are known as greedy.

Or the bosses wanted to set a signal.

In any case, I was surprised that Gia has survived so long.

Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine.

There are mass raids in illegal brothels.

This is always shown in Local TV.

The customers can also be seen in such news broadcasts.

Often foreigners. Turks. Arab.

Therefore I recommend not to visit a brothel.

That can end badly.

[Crapau]

Hi,

I am in Kiev now and hard to find a quite cheap and beautiful girl, surely because some used to pay a lot for girls the prices increased.

Our great hobby will be only for the rich in few years.

We already can't have the change to find a good girl as GF for free and soon we won't be able to get laid at all.

If some feel pity for me and know good number, place where to find the last heaven in Kiev.

Thank for your help.

[Durando]

Can any of you recommend legit independents? How legit are they from relaxkiev?

[Meesee]

I regret my searches for discussion about Gia return nothing. I don't know why this happens.

But may I ask if anyone knows why Gia closed it's business? gia.la is dead.

[Durando]

Hi fellow punters,

Planning a trip to Kiev at the end of July. Started doing some research. I've tried Prague independents and there I've found a lot of them, with good reputation and etc. It seems no such thing in Kiev? Share your beautiful independent outcall sources please!

[PhotoSlider]

I've never tried incall in Kiev but thought it would be more convenient for test driving an independent who offers both incall and outcall, since no laundry of towels and sheets at my apartment afterwards. Based on PhotoSlider's comments, I now think better to go with outcall from the start.

Nowadays I prefer to stay in Kiev for over a month. Therefore I ask my landlord to bring lots of towels (15-20 sets large + small), and have cleaning service every 3-4 days. This adds to rental fee, but makes it more like a hotel in that respect.

When girls come to me, I do not spend time and money on taxi and subway. Instead I can do whatever I please in my own element. Work, watch a concert on TV, take a shower, shave my pubic hair, drink favorite beverages and consume decent food.

When the lady of the night arrives (and passes the initial outdoor 5-10 seconds casting), we can also do all of the above together, so that she relaxes, and performs better.

In the past I did my share of apartment trial and error hunting process. With rare exceptions it was rundown flats with ladies lacking enthusiasm. Whoever was better than average did shutdown eventually, either on their own, or with the help of brave law enforcement gentlemen.

That mid-30's girl at one of my social circles is still coming on to me.

There are few choices:

1. Succumb to temptation and take her.

2. Continue daydreaming, if that indeed gives you the pleasure. Kind of like a tantric sex, without penetration.

3. Explain to her that you can not possibly take advantage of her. Then invite her upstairs for a cup of tea. Explain again that you respect the rules within your social circle. And then take her anyway.

Ukrainian women in their 30's are rather horny. They need it, and they surely do it. She is obviously attracted because you behave properly. If I am not mistaken, you are somewhat romantic, which is rare with local males. The question is if you are ready emotionally.

Assuming she is not Glenn Close type form Fatal Attraction, I wouldn't regret anything, and just go for it. How else can you learn if she's good in bed or not? Do it for free, do not spoil your relationship.

One of my best ones (mother of two) simply asked where she can wash her hands, and in 10 minutes unexpectedly emerged from the bathroom wrapped in a little towel with a doubtless anticipation written on her face. My jaw dropped, she smiled and graciously proceeded with her intentions.

[DramaFree11]

That is a crazy amount of money to spend in Kiev, but sounds like you had fun!

So, a friend and I arrived in Kiev on 24 May to watch the CL final on 26th. Apart from the football a lot of other exciting stuff was also planned.

Here's a review.

24th.

Scarlette (500 UAH entry each) - we were awestruck by the quality of girls. Most were 7 and above! I had a lapdance from Naomi (the young cutie with braces). She's awesome but refused to come out citing that she's just 18! Anyways, my friend took a tall pretty girl back to the hotel for 300 USD. He had a great time!

25th.

We decided to meet WGs. Got a contact from the relaxkiev site. Sad that Gia is dead. Anyways, the hunt for the girls place was more exciting than the fuck. Somewhere in a dilapidated apartment complex in pechersky. It was wham bam thank you mam. Nothing exciting. UAH2000 each.

26th.

Tired and somewhat morose (after the Reds' rather dramatic loss to Real), we went to Arena. Settled for Harem but the (fake) wait put us off and we landed in Penthouse. It was quite a different experience from Scarlette. Also, the entry and cover was quite costly (think UAH2000 each)! Different experience. Some ladies were 6/7 on 10 and others were more like 4/6 on 10.

27th.

Scarlette again. For what was one of the most memorable nights of my life. My friend and I were in a mood to spend money. After the managers (yet again) fake drama of 'no tables' despite making reservations on the phone, we finally got one after 30 minutes after the manager noticed the expensive drinks we had ordered. What follows next is epic. We got the prettiest girls in the house (1 each) and convinced them to spend the night with us. (600 USD each but then we we like who's going to come back to Kiev again so let's make a night to remember). At 2 am we left the club with the girls (Rada and Karina, I think) and they took us to Dolls! We danced, had 3 way lap dances, drank our brains out, made out with the girls on the floor, swapped them for groping etc, 3 way smooches et al. The best GFE experience we have had!! Only negative is that Dolls, as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!

Anyways, came back to the room at 5 am and banged the girls for 1.5 hrs till the girls begged us to let them go!! Karina was a special. She was quite a squirter. Rada was the prettiest girl I have been with but it's a pity she didn't speak English. Both girls made real moans (or so we would like to believe) and loved to fuck us!! The 4 some experience drained us out completely but left us fully satisfied. What an end to the trip!!

28th.

After some sightseeing, we took a flight back home in the evening!

[Kozerog]

When they come to you it is their time lost. IMHO girls try harder to extend time for another hours or so. It is also a break from routine for them.

You going to the apartment costs the agency nothing. If you don't like it and leave, another guy will arrive soon.

That answers my question a few pages back to Steve69 about reasons for preferring outcall to incall. Like I wrote, I've never tried incall in Kiev but thought it would be more convenient for test driving an independent who offers both incall and outcall, since no laundry of towels and sheets at my apartment afterwards. Based on PhotoSlider's comments, I now think better to go with outcall from the start. Moot point anyway, since I'm happy with seeing my jewel twice a week (4200 uah or $160 for 4 hours for reference, since several people asked about prices recently) and not looking for a replacement yet. My original plan was to see the jewel three times a week, but that was too much and her visits started to feel like a chore rather than a pleasure. I have a strong need for occasional sex with a young girl, but anything beyond occasional and I quickly become overloaded. Very different nervous system from most of the guys on this forum. My jewel says I'm like a monk, except monk who's not too strict about his vow of celibacy.

On another note, to practice modern colloquial Russian, I've been reading the women's profiles on mamba. Sponsor seeking girls keep it short and simple, as do young girls in general. Whereas the ones in their 40's write the same batshit crazy catlady rants as women in that age group in the USA on match.com, etc. So glad I don't have to deal with that foolishness any more now that I've committed to mongering.

That mid-30's girl at one of my social circles is still coming on to me. I told her my true age (62) and my plan to leave Ukraine in mid August and that I spend most of the year traveling, summer in Kiev, rest of the time alone in the mountains or desert. In other words, no hope of a long term relationship between us. Explicitly offering money would make me less attractive, given how conservative she is. She already has children, so only thing I can offer is sexual adventure, a summer fling, which she wants but is afraid of. I'm also ambivalent. As noted above, I have limited space in my life for sexual relationships with women and that space is already occupied by the jewel, who is very reliable whereas this other woman is an unknown quantity. Then again, the jewel is very emotionally disciplined and will never allow herself to fall in love with me, though she is fond of me, and me of her. I have no need for love but my vanity would be flattered by having a much younger woman, like this woman from the social circle, fall deeply in love with me, plus that makes the sex much more intense. Love is the one thing that can make sex with a real woman significantly better than masturbation, at least for me.

[NorskKing]

I have been to Kiev and it has been a bag of mixed experiences.

Day 1.

Scarlette at around 10 pm. The manager was so friendly (of course) and took time to show me around and the house rules. I got a table and started ordering food as I was really hungry. After that started to order drinks and started looking at the talent. The girls will not bother you at all, except few girls going around dancing for few seconds and expecting some tips from the table. I think these girls are 8's at max. I have been spoiled by FKKs in Germany I guess. I was talking with few girls, offering them drinks, but damn, the cocktails and fresh fruit juice here cost the same. Around 450 UAH or something. I am not complaining as their business is depending on the prices of these drinks apart from what they earn from lapdances and omission from the girl leaving the bar with the customer. Sorry, but I do not have a clue of which girls I have been talking to, but they were few of them at my table and we were having drinks with this Turkish smoking hookah. It was a good experience as the girls were allowing me to touch at the table. I could not settle at any girl my needs were pale marble skin + at least see cup (non fake)+ young. This combo would have been easy pick in FKKs, but I am in different providing country. Not everyone speak English, so it would be a challenge for Asian look guy to pick any girl of his choice even he is a spender. At last the manager came to ask why I am not taking any girls back at 1 am and I told him that either girl does not want to come with me or I do not want to take a girl with flat chest. And yes, correct me if I am wrong, but there is scarcity of big tit girls in Ukraine. Finally I took a girl with a very nice smile, with a tattoo on her left hand. Her smile was so sweet and her English was good. She was neither pale not did she have big tits. But that smile ruined my needs and I took her back to the hotel. My god, I did choose well. (forgot her name, sorry, I am terrible with names). At the very beginning, I told her that she will have to stay for 3 hours at least, no matter how many time I finish. She agreed. First time was, easy peezy, finished in 15 minutes in normal classic sex. She started cuddling me and after 30 minutes, she started giving me CBJ. I was starting to feel sleepy as CBJ does not excite me anymore. Then she got tired and started licking my balls. Things got little excited here. Then she went even down and started eating my ass with almost passion I could see. I normally would feel uncomfortable, but we showered after the first round before started to cuddle, so I felt clean. And enjoyed it very very much. After 5 minutes of that passion, I could not keep it any longer, done was the round two. It was almost 4.15, and I was super tired. I asked her that she can leave if she wants to. She went to clean herself, I checked for my valuables, all were in place, and she left. Did not wake until 11 next morning.

I am tired and drunk right now, so will write about day 2 later sometime. Sorry guys, good night.

[NorskKing]

So, a friend and I arrived in Kiev on 24 May to watch the CL final on 26th. Apart from the football a lot of other exciting stuff was also planned.
as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!!

No wonder the girls are getting spoiled and quoting high prices. You spent 600 usd each on girls + 13000 UAH in dolls. And that is the reason Kiev will no longer be a cheap monger destination.

I have been in Scarlette too, my report will follow.

[PhotoSlider]

Good honest report. Thank you for taking time to share with the Forum. My 2 kopecks on the subject. Comments mixed with questions below:

24th.

Scarlette (500 UAH entry each) - we were awestruck by the quality of girls. Most were 7 and above! I had a lapdance from Naomi (the young cutie with braces). She's awesome but refused to come out citing that she's just 18! Anyways, my friend took a tall pretty girl back to the hotel for 300 USD. He had a great time!

Obviously your 7 and above might be different for others. I chose to believe you) Perhaps girls decided to make money during CL, and Universities were not done yet.

How long was your friend's session for 300 USD?

Scarlette and Rio are under the same ownership. Rio girls do the same. They make the decision to go or not.

25th.

We decided to meet WGs. Got a contact from the relaxkiev site. Sad that Gia is dead. Anyways, the hunt for the girls place was more exciting than the fuck. Somewhere in a dilapidated apartment complex in pechersky. It was wham bam thank you mam. Nothing exciting. UAH2000 each.

When they come to you it is their time lost. IMHO girls try harder to extend time for another hours or so. It is also a break from routine for them.

You going to the apartment costs the agency nothing. If you don't like it and leave, another guy will arrive soon. Especially during CL.

26th.

Tired and somewhat morose (after the Reds' rather dramatic loss to Real), we went to Arena. Settled for Harem but the (fake) wait put us off and we landed in Penthouse. It was quite a different experience from Scarlette. Also, the entry and cover was quite costly (think UAH2000 each)! Different experience. Some ladies were 6/7 on 10 and others were more like 4/6 on 10.

IMHO Arena is a trap. You've been had. 4-5 blocks + 15 minutes walk up the hill, and you would be at Rio.

27th.

Scarlette again. For what was one of the most memorable nights of my life. My friend and I were in a mood to spend money. After the managers (yet again) fake drama of 'no tables' despite making reservations on the phone, we finally got one after 30 minutes after the manager noticed the expensive drinks we had ordered. What follows next is epic. We got the prettiest girls in the house (1 each) and convinced them to spend the night with us. (600 USD each but then we we like who's going to come back to Kiev again so let's make a night to remember). At 2 am we left the club with the girls (Rada and Karina, I think) and they took us to Dolls! We danced, had 3 way lapdances, drank our brains out, made out with the girls on the floor, swapped them for groping etc, 3 way smooches et al. The best GFE experience we have had!! Only negative is that Dolls, as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!

Very expensive. Kiev girls milked the foreigners yet again)) and punters here will complain that because of you prices are going up. But you were there during CL, also short time, and left happy.

I do not think anybody would have done better considering the circumstances. Visiting for few days, city swamped with visitors, you obviously didn't have prior contacts. Simple: spend money or publish another whining bitching pessimistic essay along the lines: "Kiev sucks! It is not the same again. Girls are ugly and cheat."

Some measure return on investment in number of fucks per euro, some in hours, some in ephemeral concepts of happiness and satisfaction. Seems girls kept you happy, at least you think so. And that was your money. Good informative report.

28th.

After some sightseeing, we took a flight back home in the evening!

[Jpdixx]

So, a friend and I arrived in Kiev on 24 May to watch the CL final on 26th. Apart from the football a lot of other exciting stuff was also planned.

Here's a review-.

24th.

Scarlette (500 UAH entry each) - we were awestruck by the quality of girls. Most were 7 and above! I had a lapdance from Naomi (the young cutie with braces). She's awesome but refused to come out citing that she's just 18! Anyways, my friend took a tall pretty girl back to the hotel for 300 USD. He had a great time!

25th.

We decided to meet WGs. Got a contact from the relaxkiev site. Sad that Gia is dead. Anyways, the hunt for the girls place was more exciting than the fuck. Somewhere in a dilapidated apartment complex in pechersky. It was wham bam thank you mam. Nothing exciting. UAH2000 each.

26th.

Tired and somewhat morose (after the Reds' rather dramatic loss to Real), we went to Arena. Settled for Harem but the (fake) wait put us off and we landed in Penthouse. It was quite a different experience from Scarlette. Also, the entry and cover was quite costly (think UAH2000 each)! Different experience. Some ladies were 6/7 on 10 and others were more like 4/6 on 10.

27th.

Scarlette again. For what was one of the most memorable nights of my life. My friend and I were in a mood to spend money. After the managers (yet again) fake drama of 'no tables' despite making reservations on the phone, we finally got one after 30 minutes after the manager noticed the expensive drinks we had ordered. What follows next is epic. We got the prettiest girls in the house (1 each) and convinced them to spend the night with us. (600 USD each but then we we like who's going to come back to Kiev again so let's make a night to remember). At 2 am we left the club with the girls (Rada and Karina, I think) and they took us to Dolls! We danced, had 3 way lapdances, drank our brains out, made out with the girls on the floor, swapped them for groping etc, 3 way smooches et al. The best GFE experience we have had!! Only negative is that Dolls, as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!

Anyways, came back to the room at 5 am and banged the girls for 1. 5 hrs till the girls begged us to let them go!! Karina was a special. She was quite a squirter. Rada was the prettiest girl I have been with but it's a pity she didn't speak English. Both girls made real moans (or so we would like to believe) and loved to fuck us!! The 4 some experience drained us out completely but left us fully satisfied. What an end to the trip!!

28th.

After some sightseeing, we took a flight back home in the evening!