Kyiv

[HungryStud101]

I already had names and numbers from Mamba, but I didn't think we would need them with so many clubs.

So for Saturday, we started at 11pm to try a few more clubs named here before we gave up and went to the Mamba girls I had lined up. We went back to Arena, but it doesn't open the upstairs disco (third floor) until midnight. So we went to Buddha Bar. Finally! Heaven! And plenty of English speakers if your not fluent in Russian. It was full of extremely beautiful women and most of them were working / available. It may not have been the cheapest in town but I wasn't wasting anymore time bar hopping. Everything I desired was right here. So I picked out my favorite blonde, Julia. She wanted 300 Euro / 400USD, but I got her stay all night (10 hours) so I'm not complaining.

Buddha Bar also is a restaurant. There will be "regular people" mixed in the crowd, but it's easy to find what you want. I even met some Canadian girls who warned me to be careful because there were a lot prostitutes in the bar. He he he.

If you have plenty of time and speak Russian, then maybe you can do much better at some of those other clubs. Maybe get freebies. But if your time is short and you want plenty of available good looking women in Kiev, then I recommend Buddha Bar and possibly Arena. Julia recommends D' Lux, but said it was more expensive than Buddha as the girls have to pay a large amount to the bar. I wouldn't know, as I couldn't get inside D'Lux.

Jesus Christ Kiev sounds tough. I was there last year for a night and I couldn't get any of the agencies to pick up at 1 AM and the girls in the bar would not do sex!

I love your story about the Canadian girls that gave you the warning about the girls being prostitute. That just happened to me in Hong Kong. I was warned by an american girl that many of the girls in Thailand (where I was heading the next morning) were prosititutes and some were Ladyboys. I asked her if she wanted to have a drink with a fellow American. She said maybe in a little bit. 45 minutes later she was on her way to cash in the chit for the promised drink. At the time I was walking out with two 20 year old Chinese girls (one dressed in a sexy school girl outfit) on the way up to my room for a 3sum. You should have seen the American woman's face. I just laughed.

Don't you love mongering!

[Snowy]

Thanks Mellowtrax and Uke Boy for your comments on my report, feedback is always appreciated.

Regarding the apartment option, I wish I had it, but I am always in Kiev on business trips and the company pays for hotels, and I hardly see how I can explain to my boss that I need an apartment in Kiev. Would draw attention a bit, wouldn't it?

Insomniaque.

Apartments really shouldn't raise an eyebrow with your boss, even for a short-term visit. The cost difference is huge and I've found the subsequent savings are more likely to get you praise than raise any issues. I travel most months to Kiev for work and part of the reason I pick up and retain a lot of the work I get is because I bring in my travel costs so much lower than other people. If people do ask why you can genuinely say it's just a different culture here regarding hotels / apartment, which is true.

For a recent 5 day trip I charged $1500 in expenses covering flights from London, taxis and hotels (and in truth put a 100% mark-up on this) and I still came in $3500 less than my client was expecting. Vs the Hyatt, Premier Palace et al, you'll save something like a minimum of $300 per night even before you get into room service, internet charges etc. There are several solid apartment companies out there and you just need to make sure they check the internet is all set-up and working before your driver disappears. Ignoring the obvious fringe benefits, I genuinely find it a better environment to work in.

[Stevie69]

Now she is doing it honestly, m at least. She turned up at top models, as an "elite" escort, but havign met her, I figure it will be the do not touch here, do not do that, type of sex.

http://www.top-modals.com/?id=4637#f9

Interesting. This girls some time ago wrote me in mamba for few days. She contacted me and was very friendly. I asked her under which base she decided to write me, what she liked in me and she said: "I write to all the men with passable photos and taller than 175". I asked why, what was her goal. She said "looking for a husband". I was puzzled but didn't care too much. However she really seemed nice to me, and didn't want to give her phone. After some days she asked me why I was writing in latin letters, and why I had an accent. I explained that I was a foreigner and she dropped me. I tried to contact her again but she has stopped to read my message.

Thanks to you now I know that I have not lost anything. At the contrary, maybe I have been lucky.

[Uke Boy]

I admit that venturing into the suburbs was not the best idea I ever had. I remember two youngsters (it is worth mentioning that they were way taller than me) staring at me like I was going to be their next pastime. There is also a god for fucking idiots, it seems.

Another issue I think is that I am a bit too softy with the chicks, I need to work on that and get tougher. By the way, I do not see how some of you fellows manage to pay the girls only after service? Most of the girls I have met so far would not even go to the bathroom until they get the money.

Regarding the apartment option, I wish I had it, but I am always in Kiev on business trips and the company pays for hotels, and I hardly see how I can explain to my boss that I need an apartment in Kiev. Would draw attention a bit, wouldn't it?

An interesting point: there are girls on Mamba who have nearly the same rates as the RP girls (USD150-200) ; I have talked to a couple of those while doing my homework. When I said that their price was not in line, and that there were plenty of fish in the Dnepr which I could have at a lower cost, they retorted that the pics simply were not real; surely I had never seen such girls? Now I think I see what they meant.

You did dodge a bullet in the suburbs. I am sure there will be no repeat of that experience. Once you drive more than 10 minutes out from the center (without one of those rare traffic jams!) , it is already time to turn back.

The payment issue is a funny one. That is more what the girl wants sometimes based on what may have happened to her in the past. Three are guys who run after the event and not pay so prepayment becomes mandatory. Others just simply will give bad service, try to do the least and paying in advance makes you feel like an idiot. Your demanding payment after the fun may well create an incident which you do not need.

Tougher should mean "here's the money, now start what you are being paid for and use your mouth and body as I want it and don't talk until I am finished." It is an attitude that they will understand and respond to.

You might want to look at talking to your bosses about long-term apartment rental options in Kiev if you (or others) come in often enough. You could tell them that you could check out apartments, prices and amenities a few times before committing to something. The hotels are way overpriced and this may be a more cost-effective option for your company. Then, let the real fun begin.

My naive boy. ALL girls on Mamba lie, ESPECIALLY the ones who say they do not. Even their pictures are heavily retouched or fakes. Most often you have to ask for real pictures and even then many are also fakes. It turns into a lottery but in the end, there is always one thing you can always do if the girl who arrives is the one not in the picture. Send her away and don't even pay for the cab fare.

[Insomniaque]

Thanks Mellowtrax and Uke Boy for your comments on my report, feedback is always appreciated.

I admit that venturing into the suburbs was not the best idea I ever had. Not only did it make me waste a lot of time, but I imagine things could have turned spectacularly wrong as well. I remember two youngsters (it is worth mentioning that they were way taller than me) staring at me like I was going to be their next pastime. There is also a god for fucking idiots, it seems.

Another issue I think is that I am a bit too softy with the chicks, I need to work on that and get tougher. By the way, I do not see how some of you fellows manage to pay the girls only after service? Most of the girls I have met so far would not even go to the bathroom until they get the money.

Regarding the apartment option, I wish I had it, but I am always in Kiev on business trips and the company pays for hotels, and I hardly see how I can explain to my boss that I need an apartment in Kiev. Would draw attention a bit, wouldn't it?

The other thing I am pondering over is that my best experiences so far were also the most expensive ones. My best Slavic shag ever was with a Rio girl; RP girls would rank second; Mamba girls come third. But it might be a mere coincidence.

An interesting point: there are girls on Mamba who have nearly the same rates as the RP girls (USD150-200) ; I have talked to a couple of those while doing my homework. When I said that their price was not in line, and that there were plenty of fish in the Dnepr which I could have at a lower cost, they retorted that the pics simply were not real; surely I had never seen such girls? Now I think I see what they meant.

[Poisson1]

After the catastrophic experience of last night (see previous post) , I went again on Mamba to find a deal. This time I focused on a slightly "older" segment (25-28 years). My expectation is that this older segment should provide a better service given the competition of younger ones. After several searches, I found nadia a 26years old writing perfectly english. I negotiated 100$ for 2hours + 100grivna for taxi. She told me she'd need 30min to come to my place (very center close to Arena). She rang at my door after 1 hours. Picture was different of course but she looked nice and friendly, slim body. The usage of google translate with cyrillic keyboard & spoken audio was of great help. You can even use it to give instruction on the phone.

Wha to say: great great blowjob (not covered) while playing with my nipples, licking balls etc. All very sensual and she got very quickly wet when fingerd. Breast is small but very sensitive. She likes sex and I really enjoyed it. I came twice in 1 hour. I was exhausted after a busy week. I asked her that I'd cancel the 2nd hour. She did not protest and sait it's OK. Gave her 50$ +200grivna. I'm going to call her next time I visit Kiev for sure.

I wanted to put the link to mamba but the site is down. Will update later.

[Uke Boy]

Insomniaque,

Thanks for your detailed and, most of all, very honest report. I really enjoyed reading about all your experiences.

I want to second these sentiments. These are a completely honest and very true assessment of the situation here.

Insomniaque you certainly have gained my admiration in your most determined attempt to meet with someone in a very dodgy neighborhood. There are more than a few of these here and someone who is does not look like the rest of the locals has the potential to end up in trouble not of his own making.

Just to emphasize, unless you speak language and / or really know the city well, stick to the center. Make sure that if you meet someone via Mamba that meetings are at your hotel or apartment, not theirs.

[Pkvrpckvv]

I am heading over again soon, and contacted 20 I liked on Mamba. 13 blatantly offering sponsorship. 7 professing not to. I got replies from over half, and without negotiating offer 600UAH for one hour from 3 of those "wanting a sponsor"...

Hey, first post. I'm sifting through Mamba right now in advance of a road trip coming up in a few months from Vladivostok to EU (through Ukraine of course). Feel free to give me the ol' RTFF, I probably deserve it, but. Any Mamba-specific tips would be greatly appreciated. Do you guys just search for girls looking for "sex" (I'm talking P4P here, not freebies) , or widen your nets and look for all? I've found there are typically 20x more girls out there not specifically looking for sex on Mamba, and obviously more choice = better options, but I don't know whether it's worth going down that route.

Also, for those not specifically looking for sponsorship, do you start out innocuously with the correspondence or just go straight for the proposition? I have no experience with FSR girls and don't know what they react to and whether the ones not looking for sex / not looking for sponsorship are open to that kind of thing.

I don't know if I'm asking for trade secrets or similar, feel free to tell me off. There just seems to be an awful lot of useful guidance and play-by-play details when it comes to P4P in clubs, etc; but since a lot of the semi-pro UA and RU action starts with Mamba (or similar), I thought it would be helpful (for me at least?) to get some insight here on what works and what doesn't, what's worth looking into and what's not.

[Mellowtrax]

Insomniaque,

Thanks for your detailed and, most of all, very honest report. I really enjoyed reading about all your experiences. Allow me to make a few comments.

1) Taxi fare. Negotiating the price down to 170 UAH with the Boryspil inbreed taxi drivers is very good.

2) Hotel security. That is a fucking joke with the bribes. Why don't you consider an apartment next time?

3) Bait and switch. I agree with you, it's very normal, especially if you haven't corresponded with the girls in advance. Most times the switch is a downgrade, but sometimes you are lucky to get an upgrade (like your second threesome).

4) When you get a bait and switch, the standard price is usually the same as agreed with the bait (agency) you spoke with. However, the services are not. Therefore, you should always confirm the services and total price with the switch BEFORE giving her the money.

5) Viagra. The name of the Ukrainian Viagra is '&1055; &1086; &1090; &1077; &1085; &1094; I&1072; &1083; &1077; ' (pronounced 'Potentsiale') .50 or 100 ('Sto') milligrams. The girls in the apteka probably agreed to sell the horny, non-Russian speaking foreigner the most expensive pills.

6) It sounds like your second threesome really played the watch. 50 minutes is way too long for cigarettes and drinks before the action, but I don't blame you. The same has happened for me too.

7) 450 UAH for anal. This should have been the first sign that something was wrong. Besides that, I'm happy you survived your 'incall' visit. Kiev suburbs are not the place to be for foreigners with a tanned skin.

[Poisson1]

It has been the cheapest fuck in my 10 last visits to Kiev: 400 grivna (50$) but has been the worst in terms of service, pleasure etc. Contacted on mamba. As soon she arrived I noticed that she was not exactly the girl on the photos but looked like her. Then asked immediately for money (rang an alarm in my head but ignored it). Then spent like 10min in bathroom. Fuck session with no feeling just like a robot. Then started packing to leave after 30min although agreed for 1h. Went in a shouting sesssion with her and kicked her out.

Give peanuts and you get monkeys. I'd rather spent more for the good time.

Mamba link: http://flirt.com.ua/werta9911/

Phone number: *6225

[Insomniaque]

The first mission of the day was to get some good anal (at a decent price). I reviewed my Mamba contacts and eventually chose a certain "Rita", with very nice pics (not quite a stunner, but a real slutty look) , offering anal for UAH450. Only that I had to go to her place, she was not making outcalls."Well, this is something I have never tried", I thought."Let's see where it ends."

I will not get into details regarding how painful it was to get hold of this one ("Call me later please","Call me back in 5 min.","Call me back in one hour", et fucking cetera). Let's just say that I wasted an awful lot of time. I probably should not have insisted and switched to another one in the list, but A-Level is actually pretty rare. Anyway. It took me nearly an hour to get to the place, which was quite far away from the centre, and when the driver told me we had arrived, I thought I would ask him to bring me back to Kreshatyk straight away."Man", the little voice in my head said,"this is not how you want to die." Lugubrious housing development, poor people and self-evidently, not a single tourist in the vicinity. What the fuck am I doing here. But I paid the taxi nevertheless and started looking for the apartment (which was very hard to find, I had to call the girl maybe 20 times and eventually she had to come down and pick me up in the street).

As you no doubt have guessed, the girl in question was not the one on the photos, and she didn't even talk English (she barely understood "yes" and "no") so it wasn't her I had talked to on the phone either, although the Mamba profile had the "Real" status and proudly claimed: "no crap". I followed her and soon found myself in a gloomy, cheap apartment with a strange and rather unpleasant smell. Good start. She managed to tell me that anal cost +200 (which naturally she had failed to tell me before). I paid, had a shower and we got started.

As it turned out, the girl also had a strange and rather unpleasant smell. Her skin was sticky, her pussy hairy (oh my god) and the DATY tasty. (Do you remember your last shower, honey?) And she was a total freak. Making faces and awkward noises like a baby, wanting to switch positions every 20 seconds, and gesticulating as if she had put the fingers in a socket. Jesus, fucking, Christ! The oddest and most pointless intercourse of my entire sexual life. I don't know why I came, I don't know why I stayed, and I fucking don't know how I managed to do it. Having said that, if you are into strange (and dirty) things and want to try something new, feel free to PM, I have something right for you.

After this disturbing experience, I managed to find a taxi to bring me back to my hotel for my next meeting, another Mamba girl I had just spotted in the morning. I had made a good calculation (taking into account this bloody traffic jam) and was exactly on time. And naturally she wasn't. We exchanged calls and SMS for half an hour ("I'll be there in 15min.","I'll be there in 5min.","I'm only 50m away now", etc.) until she simply stopped responding. No show. My first one, and a very strange one, for she had called me right before taking her cab to reconfirm our meeting. This last day was definitely a lucky day.

I then called my freebie no. 1. This one was very keen on me, we had chatted for nearly 3 months and I was quite keyed up about that meeting; I was expecting a night to remember. I had already called her that day and was supposed to call her back in the evening so that we would decide where to meet. And now she was simply not picking up her bloody cell phone. Superb. I switched to freebie no. 2, whom I was supposed to meet the night before but who had "forgotten" she had already something planned. But she was available this evening, after dinner. So I had a quick dinner (I mean "quick" as per Ukrainian standards, that is to say pretty slow) at the hotel and then took the metro (I would not have been on time with a cab because of the traffic) to meet her near Independence Square. Unfortunately she was not what I expected, her pics were real but flattering, so I didn't push much. We just had a pint together and a nice talk, and that was it.

Everything had gone wrong, so once again I decided to avoid surprises and to secure something good. I was fed up with Mamba tricks, fed up with clubs, so I called Nika (my other RP friend) , who fortunately was readily available. She was in fact very happy that I called and arrived at my hotel exactly at the time she had said.

Nika belongs to that sort of girls who are much more beautiful during sex than the rest of the time. She's got a passionate and somehow sluttish look, and keep gazing at you all the time, and I fucking love that. I swim in her eyes from start to end (the doggy would be a pity here). She kisses passionately as well, something I had missed during this trip. I had been a bit reluctant to call her, firstly because of the rate (although I knew Nika would gladly spend the night with me) , and secondly, because she had been my most disturbing GFE, which had been a bit too complicated to handle, if you see what I mean. But now that she was there I was quite happy, and we had a very nice evening: nice chat, long sex, with a pause in the middle where she offered me a really great photo session (which unfortunately you guys will not see as I made a promise). She really saved the day!

Epilogue.

All in all, it's been a good trip. Bad shags (and a traumatic one) but also very nice sessions, and I have diversified, I'm quite happy to have tried new things. And it has been very formative as well, and I now can formulate these Golden Rules:

1. Do not trust the girls.

2. Do not trust the girls. Of course I had RTFF and knew what to expect (delay, no show, no match etc.) ; it's just that I had completely underestimated the problem. Mamba is a flight-by-night. None of the girls I managed to meet did match the photos. Real status,"100% my photos", etc: it's all bullshit. And only one of them was on time. As far as I can see, the only way to prevent chicks from fucking up your schedule is to line up 2-3 girls at a time and pick up the one you like best (assuming that all show up). Not fair for the honest girls but hey, war is war. Let's call this collateral damage.

Also, I have already said it but I must repeat myself: the River Palace is a fucking loss. None of the present clubs stands comparison. It's true that I have not yet tried out the Arena and the Buddha Bar, though. And that I am way too tanned to enter Shooters.

One last thing worth mentioning: I could not use my second phone with the Ukrainian SIM card (I suppose it was simlocked) and it made things much more complicated, as it seems that depending on their phone provider, some chicks cannot send SMS to a foreign mobile.

Oh, and another thing: my buddy and I were stopped by the police on day 2 (on Independence Square). I had my passport and the hotel key, so there was nothing they could do. But my mate didn't have his passport so I thought things would turn wrong; but he just told them he was staying at the Intercontinental where his passport was, and that they were most welcome to come and see for themselves. To my surprise, they didn't insist and let him go.

[Insomniaque]

Nice hangover again. Fortunately it was a day-off, and I could focus all my attention on this important goal: to get my first (real) threesome.

Before coming, I had selected a bunch of Mamba girls with girlfriends, but my experience with the two useless girls on the first day had made me figure out something I had overlooked: that you have two girls at a time does not necessarily imply that there will be action (I mean lesbian action) , it takes more than two so-called "girlfriends" to get a real threesome. So I systematically sent the same message to all the Mamba potential candidates: is there any "lesbi show" on the menu (kissing, licking etc.)? Most did not bother to reply, some asked for a ridiculous premium (double price) , and one said "yes". Viktoria and her girlfriend Anna would do the thing for the price we had already agreed upon, or nearly the same (USD150 instead of 130). Their photos were not the ones I preferred, but I knew exactly what I wanted; better average-looking girls with a lot of good will than stunners who just wait for the fucking time to go by. So we had a deal.

Initially, I had scheduled the meeting early in the afternoon, but I rescheduled it at 5pm since I was not feeling very well and still needed some rest, and also because I thought another pill would help. So I looked for the pic of the Ukrainian Viagra HunterDave had posted somewhere in this thread and went to an apteka. Naturally the girls in the store didn't talk a single word of English, so when I showed them the pic (which I had downloaded on my mobile) and they started explaining something, I could not have the slightest idea of what is was about. Eventually I had to choose between the French Viagra (UAH565 for 4 pills of 100mg) and the Indian one (half the price). This might have been a silly prejudice, but I said to myself "don't put your health in jeopardy" and I took the costly one. Tough shit. Afterwards I went to a phone shop and bought a Life SIM card for my second phone as I hadn't had the time yet, and went back to my room for a pseudo-nap.

I don't recall how late my chicks were (45min? 1h?) , but late they were indeed. I came down as usual to meet my package, and as usual the photos didn't match at all, nor the names for that matter (Anna and Viktoria had been replaced with Masha and Veronika). Except that this time it was a fucking upgrade! I stared at them in disbelief. The blonde was nice, and the brunette was fucking superb! Holy shit! They were so much better than the pictures that I thought for a sec that these were just not mine, and that maybe someone else in the hotel had ordered them. I took them to MY room quickly!

This time it was rather painful to get started. I am not sure whether they really played the watch, or if they simply lacked experience and were a bit afraid, but the drinks-cigs-bla-bla-bla moment was pretty long. Finally I had to be a bit brusque and show them the way to the shower, and Masha then said,"There's only 10min left, we don't have time, do you want to take another hour for sex?" Mmmm, not quite fair, is it? But they were hot and I really wanted to try them out.

And I don't regret it (although once again there was no kissing and no back door access). They started blowing me each in turn while I caressed their back and played with their pussies, not a bad start. Then Dinner At Veronika's Y, while Masha was licking her friend's tits. I had licked Veronika for a while, when I realised I was completely neglecting Masha. Gentlemen don't do such things. While keeping up with the brunette, I started masturbating the blonde, then fingered her and, much to my delight, I found out she was quite wet! So I had Masha replace me between Veronika's legs, and started shagging her doggystyle. What a great view! I didn't know where to look! Veronika was moaning quite nicely, but Masha was moaning harder, she was breathing heavily now, so I masturbated her again while I was still banging her from behind, and she came very quickly. So nice! She needed some rest at this point, so I switched to Veronika and there again, it was great. This girl was so fucking sensual! Truly fucking incredible look, plus she moved really really well. I ended in an unforgettable cowgirl. So far I was not keen on that position, but this hottie made me change my mind!

Not bad at all, for a first threesome! Maybe not the shag of the year, but definitely the shag of this trip. My only regret is that I explored only a few possibilities; I think I should have booked them twice.

Afterwards, I had dinner and then off to bed. I was too tired to hang out, however shameful it may be to spend a night in Kiev sleeping.

[Insomniaque]

Hangover. Too much alcohol, too much tobacco, and too few hours of sleep, maybe 6 or 7 out of the last 48h. And the schedule was pretty busy that day, as a matter of fact I had business meetings from 10am to 18pm non-stop. Nightmare. Consequently I didn't expect anything great from the evening, as it was more than likely that given the fatigue and whatever the orders, private Willy would not pay attention. But as we were on our way to the chicks, my client gave me a blue pill. Hope reborn.

I suggested that we try the Caribbean which has also been mentioned on ISG many times. Well, we didn't like. We found the atmosphere wasn't that great, it's kind of kitschy and makes you feel like in Kherson rather than in Kiev, and I found the music was pretty terrible (although I do like Latin music) , but to each his own. The good thing is, there were more hotties there than in the Avalon, although the overall level was well below the Vodka Bar, and the working girls we spotted for sure were not quite to our liking. But we had a drink nevertheless and spent some time watching. I made eye-contact with a cutie whose face strangely rang a bell (?) and was about to talk to her, when suddenly the music stopped, people left the dancefloor, save for one girl who was told to sit on a chair, and then a chippendale arrived and started doing the show. We decided it was time for us to hit the road.

So we took a taxi to the Arena. Closed. The Arena is always fucking closed.

Then back to the Avalon again (sic.). Tonight there was one pro who was very nice (not two, one). Eye-contact, smile, Hello, do you want to rest with me, what is your price, USD300, you take me for a tourist, okay USD200, for that price I would expect at least two hours, no for two hours USD250, sorry but this is not a fair price. Her smile instantly vanished and she quite rudely turned away. Fine, fuck off. I then saw a civilian on the dancefloor, petite but with huge, massive and in fact, completely fascinating boobs (in an outrageously plunging neckline) , I could not take my eyes off her and kept gazing like Tex Avery's wolf; I tried to dance a bit but there was no eye-contact, what a pity. Meanwhile the rude pro was still looking at me and I was rather confident that she would eventually accept my conditions, as seemingly I was rather to her liking and as there weren't many customers anyway. But my buddy started talking to her as well (did I mention that there was only one good-looking pro in the club?) , accepted her price, and took her away. What a tosser.

So once again I went back to my hotel on my own. And now I wanted to secure a real good shag, since Day 1 had been a bit disappointing. So I sent a SMS to Tanya: "call me as soon as you are free." My mobile rang instantly. That's the way I like it!

I have already talked about Tanya in my first report here. An old RP friend of mine. She has a great body (beautiful curves, very nice hips, amazing ass) and the eyes of a doe, in short she is attractive. It might not be the best value for money: it's USD200 (non negotiable) , and if you can knock at the back door, entrance remains denied. But at least she fucks for real; she likes to have sex and she minds her own pleasure, which personally I really like. She would be there in 10min. Okay, time for the blue pill.

It was the first time I was taking Viagra and I was a bit afraid of the side-effects (I had read a leaflet on the net which was fucking frightening). And as a matter of fact, while Tanya and I were having a drink in my room, I suddenly felt a slight feeling of suffocation, as if my chest was being compressed, and my heart started beating faster (and harder, so to speak). Nothing awful but I was slightly panicked, for I have already had bad trips with drugs (not sex-related) and usually this is how it starts. However, the unpleasant feeling lasted only a minute or so, and then I was back to normal. I didn't notice any other side-effect I expected (head flush, heat, etc.). Regarding the erection itself, well it was quite a normal one: nothing painful (I read it can happen) , and no giant sequoia grew between my legs either; just the kind of erections I have when I am not fucked up, maybe a little bigger, but nothing spectacular.

Anyway it was more than enough for my purpose, and we got started. DATY. 69, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl; we then tried a missionary (in fact I don't know if it's still called a missionary when you put your arms behind the girl's legs?) but she started to have spasms in her thighs, as if she was not comfortable. So we carried on with a good old doggy, nice and slow. And then she started screaming."Yes, oh, it is good!" I am not a big fan of that kind of encouragements, and was about to ask her to stop simulating when I figured that, actually, she was not simulating! So I kept up with the good work, very slow, very deep. Now she was just yelling out, the spasms had intensified and were shaking her whole body, and when she climaxed, without doubt all the bloody hotel was advised of it. She kept shivering several minutes after the orgasm."I had good orgasm!", she said to me happily. I bet you have! Kind of impressive to witness, I have to say.

As for me, I was nowhere near as an ending. The drugs kept me hard, but probably because I was tired, I could not come. We had to end with a handjob; I don't know if it was due to the Viagra, or merely because I had banged her for quite a while, but it was really strong for me as well!

[Insomniaque]

landing at boryspol around 3pm and 15min later i was already in a taxi on my way to the rus; clearly this new terminal f is a true blessing! as for the transfer and as usual, the touts pouncing on you as soon as you are customs cleared tried to rip me off, and one of them started bullshitting me and claimed uah300 was the normal fare; i showed him my passport with all the ukrainian stamps,"don't you take me for a tourist, please", and we finally agreed upon uah170. i know you can get better rates than this, but i guess you need to know a reliable company; plus i had a business meeting and there wasn't much time to bargain.

due to a massive misunderstanding with a co-worker, however, my first meeting was cancelled, so i was left with some time to kill until 8pm where the next meeting was. let us seize the occasion! i took my mamba list and decided to try out "angelina" as a start. a pure pro by the look of it, but i quite liked the photos (something really slutty in her face, and a delicious-looking ass) , which she insisted were 100% real, and contrary to most profiles, hers was filled with info and even a bit of "poetry" (about passionate sex and astronomical desire and fucking nirvana and that kind of stuff) which had made me quite curious. it was about 5pm, she could be there in one hour, i was expected at 8: perfect timing.

just that at 6pm, i got a sms: "traffic jam. can be there in 20min. okay?" ok, yeah, but hurry up. 20min later: "still stuck, sorry. will arrive in 10." jesus christ. the so-called 10min passed, and obviously i wasn't seeing anything coming so i sent a furious where-the-fuck-are-you message and got the reply: "i still need 15min. what to do?" yes, what to do indeed? i hate to fuck on fast-forward mode, but to give up a shag i have been expecting is something i hate even more; so i told her to come and that we would speed up.

so her taxi eventually arrived (45min delay) and i came down to pick her up. when i opened the car door i thought for a second that i would simply turn her away, as we were nowhere near as the so-called "100% real" pictures, and quite frankly i did not like her face at all. actually, i could not tell whether it was really her or not, maybe the pictures were just outrageously flattering, but in any case it didn't match; on the other hand, i had already had great experiences with girls i didn't quite like in the first place, and i really wanted to fuck right now anyway, so i paid the taxi and off we went.

and then i was stopped by the security. he asked the girl if she had her passport and of course she hadn't, but what was this new passport crap anyway?"i am sorry sir, but if you want to bring guests in the hotel they must have their passport." wtf. i started arguing that i was a regular guest of the hotel, that i had already brought in many guests without having been asked for any passport, etc. but this cocksucker simply would not listen."look, what is it that you want?" and suddenly i figured it out. of course. i took my wallet and gave him uah200 (standard bribe is 150 but i had no change). he nodded obediently."thank you, sir." yeah, right, now just go fuck yourself, will you? i was pissed-off because normally you have to bribe the security at night only; this one was a fucking greedy one. but we were now close to 7pm and again there was no time to complain.

the intercourse itself was average at best. angelina moved rather well, but kissing was not on the menu so this was not quite what i would call "passionate" sex. only doggystyle was nice, her fleshy buttocks bounced rather nicely! apart from that nothing worth mentioning, but i had paid uah600 (+100 taxi back and forth) so it wasn't a big deal. this was just to get the ball rolling.

after our business dinner, a client of mine wanted to hit the avalon, which despite my advice he kept seeing as the best bet now that the salvation army had been dismantled. and i could hardly refuse, for he is my biggest client and expects me to stand by him when he goes on the prowl. now let me get this straight: the avalon sucks. the music was as painful as usual and the place was dead, only a handful of civilians and maybe a dozen of hardcore pros; i recognized a few faces from the rp but they were all from the low-end (at least in my own scale). i got an explanation of this a couple of days later, by another rp girl i saw thereafter (see day 4) : according to her, the avalon's policy is to turn away the hottest pros and to let in only the worn out ones, so that customers won't get away with them and will keep spending their cash in the place. i don't know what the explanation is worth, but anyway there was nothing for us to do here, so i convinced my buddy to move on and check out the vodka bar of which i had heard in this thread.

i liked the vodka bar. firstly, djs are real djs, and compared with what i had just heard before, their set was a true relief. secondly, the place was as lively as the avalon was dead, and thirdly, high-end, high-end, high-end everywhere! i am not sure if there was a lot of pros, though, and if there was indeed, then they were not easy to spot; i would rather see the vodka bar as a (very) good hunting ground for freebies as there were loads of smoking hot civilians. to give you an idea, i remember two of them rubbing against each other, one caressing the tits of the other who was wetting her lips with her tongue! in fact i had never seen civilians acting so naughtily. but i then assumed these belonged to the species trained in one single purpose, to tease you to death all night long and make you spend all your cash and then thank-you-bye-bye-you-dope. so i left the two girls to their show and started dancing with another hottie with whom there was a good eye-contact and a lot of smiles; unfortunately, my mate demanded to leave as he didn't like the place (he is into pure p4p only and finds the freebie path way to painful). i was pissed but had to oblige, and we went back to the avalon (i had forgotten my hat) where we found the dozen pros we had left, and the same deadly atmosphere. we had a last drink and then made it to our respective hotels.

i found myself in my room around 3am, and since i was in the mood for some more action, i decided to have a look on mamba and see who was online. i spotted a profile, decent photos, hello-can-you-come-to-my-hotel-right-now-what-is-your-price, uah600 and she would be there in 15min: let's go! i was not quite sure about the "15min", though; but 15min later there she was indeed, so i came down to meet her; self-evidently, what was here had nothing to do with the photos, save for the hair colour (blond). but i didn't really mind, for this one was rather good-looking and, in fact, pretty attractive; and i had never tried a tall blonde (i prefer them petite) and was willing to try some new things during this trip. so i accepted. i then noticed that there was a brunette sitting next to the driver."is this your friend? what is she doing here, does she want to come?" the blonde looked a bit surprised."you want 2 girls?", she asked."why not, this might be interesting!" this would cost me another uah600. on with the flow!

this turned out to be a not so good idea. the girls were as bad as one another, again no kissing, and all they seemed able to do was to nibble my nipples, like i was really going to get aroused that way. will you please leave my nipples alone, what have they done to you, let's stop that shit and get to the real stuff, please. i then had to pay another uah100 for a mere daty, can you fucking believe that! now i would like to think that i paid because i was drunk and not because i am a complete prick, but the truth is, i am a complete prick. anyway. there was no interaction whatsoever between the chicks, we were miles away for the threesome i had in mind. plus they kept chatting and laughing in russian (even though i was banging them) , to such an extent that it soon became my primary objective to nail them hard enough to make them shut the fuck up. which i eventually achieved, fortunately. but really there was nothing to expect from them, and under normal circumstances i would have been pissed-off, but i was in a cheerful mood: i was drunk and above all, i had missed kiev, was eager to bang as many slavic pussies as i could and willing to make the most of each situation. so i fucked them conscientiously, one after another, without giving a shit about their pleasure, and went to bed with the satisfying feeling of the duty carried out.

oh, i forgot to mention that my security friend asked for another bribe! i am seriously thinking about trying another hotel next time.

[GuyThatLikesStuf]

OK. So I am a new guy here but lurked for some info. Now that I have been to Kiev, I thought I would share. I was in Kiev just before T-day for 6 days. Here is what I found.

1) Shooters is where to go if you want to be surrounded by young girls looking to find a rich man. There are pros in the crowd but not so much. I found a nice freebie that was interested in learning more English and having fun. 19 years old and by most scales 7 in looks. I give her an 8 in looks because she was my type. Performance was what to expect for a 19 year old but she stayed all night.

2) Avalon has a mixed crowd of people having fun but also some obvious pros. I took one home on a Thursday. 200USD for all night. Provided a tip in the morning for a taxi. She ate / drank another 50USD in stuff from the minibar. She was the best looking of the pros and she was a true 7 by my scale. 9 for performance. She did Anal even if it is not my thing.

3) I found Arena to have lots of hardcode girls that wanted 400USD for an hour. Some touched the 8 and 9 in looks. They did not like to talk price so I found it difficult and left. Never went back.

4) Buddha bar had another set of the hardcore. Most attractive and some real ugly ones. I took a nice blonde home. We agreed to 1 hour for 150USD. She sucked another 150USD out of me and stayed all night.

5) D'lux had by far the best looking girls and some of them semi-pro just looking for fun. I spent a ton of money on drinks and food and took a 9/9 back home with me. She stayed all night and was easily the best thing going. The final cost was about 300USD in drinks and food plus a pair of Uggs as a gift. She then came along for next night and again it was just for the price of dinner and fun, about 300USD again. (BTW. There is a great Fish Place just off Sophia Square as you walk towards the Opera House)

6) Rio was a total bust. I spent a good amount of money (over 200USD) and talked about "take-out" with zero success on a Monday. Premier Palace has true high end girls that will leave starting at like 500USD. I spent 100USD and a few drinks with girls and left in a hurry as that place was too rich for my blood.

Finally, as to the description of Police activity below, I passed them on the street at all hours of the day and night and never was once stopped. As for face control at clubs, I never was denied entry and I always wore jeans, a nice shirt and black dress shoes. I stayed at the Radisson and was never stopped at the door with a girl and it was always past midnight.

Best of luck. I found Kiev to be a great place to go if you are interested in all night type encounters with multiple pops because that is where the value is.