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12-13-10 07:08 #7388
Posts: 1Weekend in Kiev
Just left Kiev after spending Friday and Saturday night there. I spent many hours reading this board beforehand, as I have done for many years now, when traveling. However, most of the advice I read was NOT helpful but rather a waste of my time in Kiev. I went to many clubs recommended here that actually had zero activity. Shooters would not let me or my friend in. We don't speak Russian so I'm not sure why. We were dressed as well as the others coming and going. We later were told Shooters is a "regular" club anyway. Avalon is a nice place that was packed wall to wall, but with couples and groups. NO available girls. I only saw two girls not involved with friends, out of hundreds of people. Caribbean Club, nothing happening here. D' Lux, wouldn't let us in. The cabbie said it was a private party, but again, without Russian, I'm not sure why. Another cabbie takes us to some brothel / apartments he knows, but these girls were 4's to 6's, (only 600 UAH / hr) but we wanted the 9's and 10's we've been seeing all day and in the pics online. So we declined both times and went to Arena, which was not well recommended on this board in many posts. Since it was close to 4am it was too late. We saw a couple of hot girls leaving so I think this place has potential, but since it was on the bottom of my list, we got there too late. We tried another place or two with no luck and ended up in a strip club (Rocket) for a few hours. It is small and had a few good looking girls. Most of the girls would not leave with us. They had a back room for private sessions, but only one or two girls were willing to do more than dance. And they weren't the best looking ones. So we went back to our hotel, the Intercontinental, alone. I have never struck out like this anywhere in the world I've been. And I have done my share of traveling. Moscow (Night Flight, HD / Chesterfield's) , Panama (Le Palace, Bodeguita) , Cartagena (LDV) , Medellin, Buenos Aires, Havana, Amsterdam, etc.
I already had names and numbers from Mamba, but I didn't think we would need them with so many clubs.
So for Saturday, we started at 11pm to try a few more clubs named here before we gave up and went to the Mamba girls I had lined up. We went back to Arena, but it doesn't open the upstairs disco (third floor) until midnight. So we went to Buddha Bar. Finally! Heaven! And plenty of English speakers if your not fluent in Russian. It was full of extremely beautiful women and most of them were working / available. It may not have been the cheapest in town but I wasn't wasting anymore time bar hopping. Everything I desired was right here. So I picked out my favorite blonde, Julia. She wanted 300 Euro / 400USD, but I got her stay all night (10 hours) so I'm not complaining.
Buddha Bar also is a restaurant. There will be "regular people" mixed in the crowd, but it's easy to find what you want. I even met some Canadian girls who warned me to be careful because there were a lot prostitutes in the bar. He he he.
If you have plenty of time and speak Russian, then maybe you can do much better at some of those other clubs. Maybe get freebies. But if your time is short and you want plenty of available good looking women in Kiev, then I recommend Buddha Bar and possibly Arena. Julia recommends D' Lux, but said it was more expensive than Buddha as the girls have to pay a large amount to the bar. I wouldn't know, as I couldn't get inside D'Lux.
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12-12-10 09:52 #7387
Posts: 10Photoshoping
Originally Posted by Jeankim [View Original Post]
But I'd offer a slightly different view on photoshop. In my opinion photo doesn't necessarily make a girl look prettier or younger. For me heavily photoshoped pictures make faces look flat and heavy with make-up (almost unnatural). So I always try to imagine what the girl would look like with little or no make-up. In my experience (mostly UK) most girls look better in the flesh than in their pictures.
Unfortunately this only really applies to the face, I find alterations to body shapes much harder to spot and also many girls have their face cropped out or blurred completley so you have no idea what their face shape is let alone try to do the above
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12-11-10 19:05 #7386
Posts: 332Gia
Yes, GIA photos are heavily photoshopped. I have not met ALL the girls, so I could not say which ones are more authentic. Nevertheless, you will get some version of the same girl, perhaps one that looks at least 5 years older than the one in the site. Well, some photos have not been changed for at least 3 years, so that tells you something.
Regarding prices, you should consider GIA prices as the upper limit of action in Kiev, and a good barometre of the economy. Three years ago the prices were 1. 5 to 2 times as much, and now they are offering 30 minutes. If you want to save a little, you can use the Russian version, where the prices are in GRV, and INSIST on that price, not the one in dollars.
BUT much better deals can be found on mamba, top models and VIP dosug. The ONE benefit of GIA is that you will get the girl in the photo, more or less, you will not end up wasting time waiting for and then rejecting girls at your door.
Originally Posted by Jeankim [View Original Post]
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12-10-10 14:46 #7385
Posts: 132Originally Posted by Gunny822 [View Original Post]
To all members here, police is really tough here at the moment, I have been stopped everyday for ID check! Never hppened to me nowhere like Kiev this time. Keep your original documents with you or you get harrassed at the moment in Kiev!
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12-09-10 20:18 #7384
Posts: 100Hello, there,
Right, I'm not a pimp, but I thought I would give a hand to two girls I've just met.
Masha. 23, say 1m70 (without heels) , typical blue-eyed, blond-haired Slavic face, slender body, her tits a bit drooping but apart from that she's just nice, and Veronika. 20, maybe 1m65, slender as well, a delicious brunette, fucking mesmerizing dark eyes, so cute, so shy (she's just new in the sex business) , with a smile to make you fall in love and possibly the cutest little ass that I have seen.
So Masha and Veronika have just arrived in Kiev (they are from Donetsk and it's their first time in Kiev) , they are here for a week or so, to make some money which apparently they urgently need, and sadly enough Masha told me they hadn't got many clients so far."Would you like me to give your number to some friends?" I asked."Of course, oh, thank you very much!"
So here I am.
Not everything is perfect. No kissing. No anal. And Masha is a bit of a clock-watcher. And you will need a good deal of patience to make them feel comfortable, don't expect the right-from-the-start thing and don't expect a pornstar experience either. This is not a plan for hardcore gamers, definitely. Having said that, I had a good time with them. Doggystyling and fingering Masha while she was licking her friend's pussy, for instance, was just great.
If you are into rather unexperienced cuties, it's worth trying out. USD150 an hour (for the both of them) is a decent price, I think. PM me if you want the digits.
I post this right now because they are not here for long, so you guys better hurry up. Full report next week.
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12-09-10 16:34 #7383
Posts: 5Just returned from Kiev
Arrived in Kiev Monday mid-day. Went to the apartment and got on the top modal website. Had phone in hand and by 4 started making and recieving return phone calls. Some did not speak english. Made my first visit by 7pm. Not the girl from the ad, but much more attractive than what the ad had shown anyway. Paid 800 uah. After that went to dinner. Decided after dinner to venture to Shooters. Where by random chance, I met a fellow ISG member. Stayed a shooters till 5 am, drank to much, attempted to go home, got the shake down by the cops and lost a few dollars to them. Many attractive women there, non pro common girls. Met a nice young lady, but failed to attempt to call the next day, my loss.
Next day slept till noon, decided to call the same girl I had seen before. After the alcohol wore off, went for a second visit to her. Just as good as the first visit. Again 800 UAH. Went home and then for a nap.
11 pm my friend from the shooters called, off to the bar I went. From the bar went to Patipa. On the way once again trouble with the local police, this time they got no cash but delayed me about 2 hours that night. Stayed at patipa till about 5am.
About 5 am got to the apartment, fired up the top models site again, got out the phone. Again went for a quick visit in the AM before I left to a different but very attractive girl. Back at the apartment a 9am, shower and off to the airport.
I kept it simple and just phoned girls in the centre.
All in all Kiev was a great trip and I will be returning.
I would like to thank Stevie for pointing out that using the escort service would have been way to much money. Think I spent 2400 UAH for 3 visits to ladies in less than 2 days. Thanks for telling me to open my eyes and do some research before I spent a fortune.
Not to mention had a great time at the bars.
The advice I can give to others is read the fourms and check the recommded websites. There is a lot of knowledge here that can make a trip to Kiev fun and economical.
My friend, you know who you are and I hope you are still enjoying Kiev. Thanks for the help and will wait to hear from you in the future.
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12-09-10 16:09 #7382
Posts: 332Mamba.
Originally Posted by TheKnight [View Original Post]
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12-09-10 05:31 #7381
Posts: 406Originally Posted by Markharding [View Original Post]
But I fail to see how you cannot score for a reasonable price. I am heading over again soon, and contacted 20 I liked on Mamba. 13 blatantly offering sponsorship. 7 professing not to. I got replies from over half, and without negotiating offer 600UAH for one hour from 3 of those "wanting a sponsor". $75 for an hour in your own apartment is still pretty good. When I first went I was content to pay $50 from Kyiv Post adverts when all else failed.
I think as Mellow said, the key is to be polite, not too blatant in your first message, and try to at least write a few words in Russian. Actually I find writing Russian words in Latin is better than Cyrillic, because girls assume you use online translator.
But the real message is I think you are wrong about Kyiv. Wonderful girls, sex on tap for 600UAH without negotiating. 750 for 2 hours easily attainable. And a great chance to grab a freebie or two along the way. My last pickup from Shooters, I am almost ashamed to say, I paid 200UAH to.
As is often used in this forum, YMMV. But I believe you are too negative and potential visitors should not be put off if they wish to try for themselves.Last edited by TheKnight; 12-09-10 at 05:32. Reason: typo
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12-08-10 16:52 #7380
Posts: 41Arena? Something wrong with this place?
Someone said avoid club Arena And my place is really close to Arena. I wonder why avoid club Arena?
One thing about money Is it good for me to change all of my dollar to Uah? Or change for half and half?
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12-08-10 13:11 #7379
Posts: 2842Prepare your reply.
Originally Posted by Simex [View Original Post]
So you better WORK on your script now, because I am coming back to this subject, before some naive Newbie finds himself on the wrong side of the UK LAW on Prostitution.
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12-07-10 01:15 #7378
Posts: 719Concur with the Shadow insight...
I usually compete on price...but the best and effective outcome is to compete on quality (then again, this comes at a price too ;-(
Originally Posted by The Shadow
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12-07-10 01:13 #7377
Posts: 27Travel Eastward
Originally Posted by The Shadow
I have a few friends who have stopped hitting the Ukraine and Belarus since 2005. They tried Latin America, they were not impressed. Then they tried Thailand and the Philipine, they were not impressed either.
For the last 2 years, they have been hitting Armenia and Georgia. Last summer they went to Sochumi beach on the black sea in the separatist region of Abkhazia.
To make a long story short, they are extremely happy with the girls there. There are no prostitutes, but plenty of beautiful girl-friends.
The key is to keep the girls hoping that marriage is a real possibility.
It is not ethical, I know. But when I think about it carefully, is financing and encouraging prostitution ethical?
Back to the Ukraine subject, if you read the forum, which is called internationalSEXguide, you will find all sort of articles on how to meet girls in Kiev, how to rent apartments, taxis, trains, what bars to frequent, what restaurants to go to, what food to taste, what beverages to taste, the state of the economy, personal attacks on some members, racial issues. But rarely anything is said about sex itself.
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12-07-10 01:12 #7376
Posts: 719Mellowtrax,
it's not just irony Jojo doesn't understand. Give him something to mellow out abit....
Originally Posted by Mellowtrax
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12-06-10 22:29 #7375
Posts: 68Originally Posted by Jojosun
I’m not sure if you caught the irony in my report Of course he should write his reports the way he feels. We all should. When I was a newbie I cared a lot about what other thought about my reports (informative, believeable etc.). Now I couldn’t care less.
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12-06-10 19:53 #7374
Posts: 15Advises
Hi Asian Chaos
I have been reading your report with admiration. I was in Ukraine once 3 years back and only had a passable experience. The girls I met, mostly from RP and GIA are very commercial. I did not know about Mamba at that time. However after your recent reports, I think I might just give Ukraine another try. Like you, I am also more interested in the GFE, wining and dining as experience.
Did you find the hotel or apartment to be better for your game? What apartment and hotel did you finally use?
Your guide. Did they arrange everything or just the clubs. What is their rate and can you give me their contact? Is the hot guide a hit and miss thing or do you tell them you want someone hot? Is there some kind of understanding that the guide is to help you hook up with women? Did you book a table or get a bottle?
What kind of success did you have with the non pro girl from Mamba? What kind of time and financial investment do you have to make?
What fast track company did you use?
Of all the places you played in, will you make another special trip to Kiev just to play?
Thanks