Kyiv

[Strike 69]

I don't know why you are so intimidated by the middle eastern guys.
Maybe for straight P4P they are competition, so it depends on the size of your wallet.
Otherwise it is the ME guys who operate at a disadvantage.
LOTS of girls on Mamba and other sites specifically say "no turks or arabs".
Without getting into the reasons for this prejudice (deserved or not), clearly there is a preference for non-turk/arab guys.
An exception to this might be where the Turk holds out the promise of visa-free travel to visit his sunny shores.

But basically, European/American guys enjoy a competitive advantage.
If you cannot score with the odds in your favour, then find another game.

I do not see much of a problem if Turks / Arabs are in Kiev for P4P as long as I have my own share of blondinkas, every man has the right to pay for a pro if he has the money, isn't it? Besides Ukraine is just next door to them and they need no visa. Honestly I do not understand why that guy see a problem with it.

P.S. I am Mexican (white) and never had an issue there

[Jojosun]

Still only talking about me and other bullshit, and not giving any useful advice to people that visit Kiev.

My vision of Kiev. Where people pay 300 dollar for a fuck with a prostitute.is that of a place for sex begggar.

Beside that I had a good experience and scored 3 times the first week, 0 times the second week becouse I didn't go out, and 3 time the third week, but 6 girl (semi-pros at $ 100) in 21 days is not enough to valuate a place as a place to go back to since there are as many blondes in Brazil than Kiev.

If you have a different vision of Kiev, why don't you talk about it instead of talking about me?

1. Mr Sebans. I don't know you at all, so I wasn't talking about you.

I was talking about the bullshit that you posted here.

2. It is a false Vision of Kiev that you have got in your head.

We talk here about actual experiences and seek info, not a vision that we dream of.

3. Kiev is not all about $300, River Palace hookers and mongers willing tp pay that much. Ever heard of supply and demand?

If a guy fancies a girl and money to him is no object, or he is money rich time short, then good luck to him. (It is the Pussy Stupid) that does it to some mongers

4. Has it occured to you that some mongers do not actually get turned on by $50 hookers or even cheaper hookers inBangkok or the Phillipines.

5. I was in River Palace nearly every night I was in Kiev, and I never paid $300. I just enjoyed the sight and sound of the place.

I sampled some of the beauties the following afternoon at prices I already posted.

What experinces I had in Kiev, I already posted here. Just RTFF.

Again no one is talking about you. The talk is about your posts.

The End

[Markharding]

Guys,

I completelty agree with Sebans. Kiev, Yalta, Odessa, I have been everywhere. This country sucks when it comes to meeting girls. Yet I have to come back every year to maintain the apartments I baught in Kiev and Yalta, what a mistake!

Sex for money, forget about it. The girls over value themselves, I mean, come on, $300 and more for a passive prostitute with whom you have to initiate conversation and chase her as if she was a "real" girl.

When it comes to normal girls, girl-friends, I have not dated one girl who was not just boring, stupid, boring boring boring.

[Jack Copper]

Thanks Gentleman Travel and The Shadow.

I will try to find an apartment.

Besides that do you have a recommendation for girls? Some of the guys want to invite some girls offering CIM and anal sex.

THX,

Jack

Yes, Hotman, Hotel Ukraine does seem like the right fit for my needs. Thanks.

And Jack Copper, I second the Shadow's advice - a couple of adjacent apartments sound like best arrangement for your party. GIA even has a couple of four-bedroom apartments.

[Diceman]

Now another report, but now from Kiev.

I have been to Kiev during the last two days. Yesterday I was visited by a nice an friendly girl, which I found on mamba. Ru. Her name is Julia and we agreed on 100USD for 2h. Actually it became 12 USD more as she "killed" my Minibar.

However it was a nice date. She is very beautiful and has a very nice body.

I do not want to explain all details as I guess this would be to boring for you, but it was really GFE.

It was one of the best experiences I have had during the last months. Unfortunately she has no time tonight, otherwise I would have arranged another meeting.

Best,

Johnnybcgn

Is this not the same Julia who amsterdam caught something nasty off? You want to compare notes, I think it might be.

[Bone Dr]

Have to agree with the performance of this nice lady, however I met with her 5 months ago, and took something home only a doctor could help me with.

Nothing that could not be cured though

As she was the only one I met it was obvious where the problem occured.

Sorry for not bringing this up earlier.

Reading here almost everyday, writing is not my best quality.

A'dam09

Thanks for the heads up but all is clear. I've learned the hard way no DATY with the WGs, unless of course I let my other head do the thinking. I had my "girlfriend" and her slick shaved pussy for that. And after all the rimming, there was no fucking way I was going to kiss her but a good hard pounding of that tight little pussy was what the Doctor ordered. I agree you should let her know what you contracted for her and other monger's benefit.

Cheers,

Doc

[EasyEase]

hi dear mongers,

i arrived in kiev yesterday. i have done all my homework in mamba, ll and the escort guides known to all of us here.

had my first freebie yesterday and she stayed all night with me, she left this morning. i was satisfied and she was satisfied too. what a great start. she is a 24 year old blondika, i would say 8 body and 8 face.

kiev seems very empty compared to my last visit in june (this is my 2nd trip).

just a word about renting an apartment, ok i have a very nice apartment with jacuzzi and it is very central located and furnished very modern. but the internet connection is soooooo slow. i can't talk on skype and nothing. i guess i have a 12k connection. so it is worth asking if you need hi speed internet for your business or pleasure before renting an apartment.

of course a report with follow, especially after mr. seban's comments here. btw, i am one of "those" arabs. but guys, it is not a disadvantage; i get my share of 18-22 year old slim, pretty firm blondika davoushkas too. i mean if you are ugly, fat, non-charming and don't know how to behave you will have trouble anywhere getting laid for 50 bucks. weather in thailand or in rio.

i am heading after kiev to simferepol to attend kazantip and from there i will come back to kiev to fly to thailand.

regards,

easyease

[JohnnyBcgn]

Now another report, but now from Kiev.

I have been to Kiev during the last two days. Yesterday I was visited by a nice an friendly girl, which I found on mamba. Ru. Her name is Julia and we agreed on 100USD for 2h. Actually it became 12 USD more as she "killed" my Minibar.

However it was a nice date. She is very beautiful and has a very nice body.

I do not want to explain all details as I guess this would be to boring for you, but it was really GFE.

It was one of the best experiences I have had during the last months. Unfortunately she has no time tonight, otherwise I would have arranged another meeting.

Best,

Johnnybcgn

[Mellowtrax]

Still only talking about me and other bullshit, and not giving any useful advice to people that visit Kiev.

My vision of Kiev. Where people pay 300 dollar for a fuck with a prostitute.is that of a place for sex begggar.

Beside that I had a good experience and scored 3 times the first week, 0 times the second week becouse I didn't go out, and 3 time the third week, but 6 girl (semi-pros at $ 100) in 21 days is not enough to valuate a place as a place to go back to since there are as many blondes in Brazil than Kiev.

If you have a different vision of Kiev, why don't you talk about it instead of talking about me?

Hi Sebans,

Let me understand you correctly. You decided to go on a 3 week vacation to Kiev with the conviction that you could "find a lot of stunning young girls and easy pull up them for no more than 50 dollars per night". And in addition, without any Russian language knowledge?

I'm sorry to ask, but how naive are you really?

You also write: "I did my preparation before leaving and I can tell you: Don't go to Kiev, don't loose 2 weeks time contacting mamba members that have been contacted by other ISG members".

Elsewhere you write: "I wanted to report to other members the fact that if you don't do your 2 weeks preparation with mamba contacting members in Russian. You will have a miserly choice compared to other places."

I find the two quotations above contradictory. Did you do your "2 weeks preparation" on Mamba, contacting girls, just to be surprised by the fact that other men than you also contact girls on Mamba (quotation 1)? Or didn't you (quotation 2)? It seems to me like you did contact girls on Mamba, but didn't succeed in making any arrangements?

You scored 3 girls the first week (for 100 $ each for the night), but then you decided not to go out for an entire week because the competition of getting the girls was too tough? With your 100 $ counteroffer I'm quite surprised that you even managed to get 3 girls!

The fact is that you went to Kiev poorly prepared, without any back-up plan and with the illusion that you could find girls for no more than 50 dollars per night.

Your observation and opinion about the girls/boys ratio in the night clubs and your opinion about the competition with Middle Eastern men are so far out and somewhat racist that I don't even bother to comment this.

I'm sure that other newbies, reading this forum before going to Kiev, will make their own opinion about your reports and do the exact opposite of what you did.

Mellow

PS. You keep asking for different versions of Kiev and useful advice for people visiting Kiev. Read the fucking forum!! It's filled with useful information and reports from mongers who actually had a good time there!

[Sebans]

I don't know why you are so intimidated by the middle eastern guys.

Not intimidated at all by any eastern people since they are very friendly with me as I' am with them.

The fact is that they are 90 percent of the mongers there right now, and the number of the girls has not increased accordingly.

So the few girls are in total control of the game now and they can ask whatever they want.

[Gentleman Travel]

Read all the post don't be scammed. In Kiev there are a lot of beautiful girls, but only FEW of them are for a quick pull up and since you would have to compete with the many middle eastern people that come here for the same reason -those girls are very expensive, and offering very bad sex experience.

I don't know why you are so intimidated by the middle eastern guys.
Maybe for straight P4P they are competition, so it depends on the size of your wallet.
Otherwise it is the ME guys who operate at a disadvantage.
LOTS of girls on Mamba and other sites specifically say "no turks or arabs".
Without getting into the reasons for this prejudice (deserved or not), clearly there is a preference for non-turk/arab guys.
An exception to this might be where the Turk holds out the promise of visa-free travel to visit his sunny shores.

But basically, European/American guys enjoy a competitive advantage.
If you cannot score with the odds in your favour, then find another game.

[Sebans]

Great report and great to see someone have such a positive experience.

Two keys to success evidenced here - good preparation and great attitude!

Well done and have fun!

I would like to point out to people reading this forum that there are some member here that have business in kiev and would only accept positive reports like this one about the town.

Read all the post don't be scammed. In Kiev there are a lot of beautiful girls, but only FEW of them are for a quick pull up and since you would have to compete with the many middle eastern people that come here for the same reason -those girls are very expensive, and offering very bad sex experience.

[Sebans]

Is this why you like Bangkok, Rio, and the Phillipines?

You are venting your frustrations here, because as I can see it you found it hard to score in Kiev with the lovely Blondes.

Probably you are more used to mongering destinations where the Beggars come to you.

Still only talking about me and other bullshit, and not giving any useful advice to people that visit Kiev.

My vision of Kiev. Where people pay 300 dollar for a fuck with a prostitute.is that of a place for sex begggar.

Beside that I had a good experience and scored 3 times the first week, 0 times the second week becouse I didn't go out, and 3 time the third week, but 6 girl (semi-pros at $ 100) in 21 days is not enough to valuate a place as a place to go back to since there are as many blondes in Brazil than Kiev.

If you have a different vision of Kiev, why don't you talk about it instead of talking about me?

[Jojosun]

Have to agree with the performance of this nice lady, however I met with her 5 months ago, and took something home only a doctor could help me with.

Nothing that could not be cured though

As she was the only one I met it was obvious where the problem occured.

Sorry for not bringing this up earlier.

Reading here almost everyday, writing is not my best quality.

A'dam09

If I were you I would get in touch with the girl and explain to her what you got, so she can get herself tested and cured.

Bone Dr, can supply you with her NO or contact details?

Now every Tom, Dick and Abdul, here know her details and the health warning.

[Jojosun]

Why bother getting into a slagging match with someone of obviously lesser intellect or more accurately, someone who has absolutely no intellect? It is a waste of time and energy. That is why I gave up on trying to impart some sense of intelligent posting from Colon. I soon realized that nothing I do or write will change his warped and perverse views and the same applies with your adversaries. Now I just ignore him as I assume many others do as well.

I also recognize that most readers of this forum will recognize stupidity and racism when they see it. There is no need to keep on responding to such asininity.

Getting into such issues as to what constitutes who is an EU member is far too afield and too ridiculous to even to discuss in a sex forum.

I am too busy enjoying life with the ladies in Kiev to bother with such assholes. In fact, the report from Dr Bones says it all for now. Now that is what this forum is all about.

In fact, if Sebans and his kind come here once and never again and then complain about Kiev in this forum, and then they all stay away from Kiev as well as keep others away, I am all for it!!!!! More for me, none for them!!!!

Old Boy, true words of wisdom. But I have to admit having lived and worked in Houston, Texas and New York, I find it very difficult sometimes to keep my mouth shut.,. When someone is talking up their COLON.

It was so fucking obvious. I was taking the [CodeWord140]. When I posted that (Morocco is a member of the EU.).

I was hoping someone will fall for the Bait in it (Ceute and Melilla, Spanish Morocco), and sure enough Mr 2 postes took the Bait, and got his knickers in the Twist.

But all wasn't in vain. Even I didn't know that Aruba, part of the Netherlands is not officially a member of the EU, and it does have a dry climate.

Back to the subject of Kiev and Bangkok. Anyone who is used to the lazy ways of mongering and prices in Bangkok and Thailand, will be hugely disappointed by Kiev. But then again anyone who is used to or sampled the beauties of Kiev will be equally disappointed by Bangkok.

Conclusion. Kiev is not a lazy mongering destination.