Kyiv

[NorskKing]

It still looks bad with the numbers of infection in Ukraine.

I am getting a bit paranoid about health safety.

I like stripclubs to go have few drinks and view the talent. Seems like not all talent will be available if the stripclubs open partially through their backdoors.

But on the other hand it must be buyers market there so using mamba or trying to find newcomers would be easier comparatively.

I am from green country and that's an advantage with less hassle to start the fun.

Seems like I am not able to make my mind. Suggestions dear mongers? Of course I know that it is the risk that I need to decide in the end but still want to hear out what fellow minds has to say.

[Hestendk]

Hestendk;.

Great report.

4000-5000 UAH for all night is still OK, but UAH 7000 (US $255) is already in the upside, considering you could easily find freelancer / escort in other countries in Europe, with that price range. But if they are 8-9 it might be worthy.

Is there a way to know to know that the one will turn up to your hotel is likely the one you see in the Mamba website and not heavily photoshopped? Just in case the one turns up to your hotel is not your liking is there any polite way to send them back?

Sometimes also I fail to understand the way the prostitution work in Ukraine. If you go to Czech Republic, Poland for instance US girls. You will normally pay less for UA girl, but it seems they are pricier in their own hometown??

In some cases of outcall girls in other countries especially they are very professional, they will go home or refuse to do another session after the first session? Is there nay way to spot this in advance?

7000 UAH from 19/20 to 10/11 Next day is An okay price still, but it can be found cheaper.

In my homecountry an UA girl will cost at least 4000 UAH each hour, an an all night around 20.000 UAH.

Yes Mamba can be photoshopped by I always avoid those who only have professionals pictures, and I ask for more pictures on viber / whatsapp.

If a girl shows up and looks nothing as the photo yes then I would send he away, Many times I think the girls look better then they do on the photos, some also use fake photos that looks 90% like them, but they will show the real photo after contact is made.

[Adindas]

BUt if anyone are going to kyiv then Mamba is a perfect hunting place at the moment, there are alot of freelancers and girls who just sometimes want little extra money, and for eveing till morning I was quoted from 4000 UAH to 750 euro where most was around 5000-7000 UAH which again is cheap but the situation here are bad for the girls.

Hestendk;.

Great report.

4000-5000 UAH for all night is still OK, but UAH 7000 (US $255) is already in the upside, considering you could easily find freelancer / escort in other countries in Europe, with that price range. But if they are 8-9 it might be worthy.

Is there a way to know to know that the one will turn up to your hotel is likely the one you see in the Mamba website and not heavily photoshopped? Just in case the one turns up to your hotel is not your liking is there any polite way to send them back?

Sometimes also I fail to understand the way the prostitution work in Ukraine. If you go to Czech Republic, Poland for instance US girls. You will normally pay less for UA girl, but it seems they are pricier in their own hometown??

In some cases of outcall girls in other countries especially they are very professional, they will go home or refuse to do another session after the first session? Is there nay way to spot this in advance?

[Hestendk]

It's bad for worn out skanks, but still good for college cuties.

Agree but the market is in buyers favor at the moment.

[Riina]

but the situation here are bad for the girls.

It's bad for worn out skanks, but still good for college cuties.

[Hestendk]

So it was time to return to Kyiv again, Had some business inside Kyiv so left Poltava Region for Kyiv.

I been seeing a Girl from Odessa On / off last 2 years, couple of times a year when we have the option to see.

Its this type of girl that never can plan anything other then suddenly or when she is in mood for planing.

So I been chatting to her last 2 weeks that if she want we could meet in kyiv, I could fly her in and we could spend some days togehter.

Normal I will never accept this type of behavior from a Girl, but I know her for long time and know some of her familiy also.

But this time she just didn't answer the last 3 days up to when I was in kyiv so I went back on Mamba.

I normally use the hit & run tactic, there, match with 800 profiles a day (fake GPS location) and also sending alot of msg to girls, and I just write what I'm looking for and that I'm in kyiv alot so trying find someone to see on a regular basic.

And its so clear that the girls here are missing cash, probably 3-4 x the amount of girls returned on my msg, in a positive way.

So I started to plan.

The plan ended up with the following setup.

Arrival day, short meeting 26 years old, single mother worker in IT 3-4 hours was agreed on for 3000 UAH (Could have been negotiated down probably) Looks 7, Slim body, nice be breast Good english skills (girl1).

Arrival day evening 21 years old student 6000 UAH Evening 20:00 to morning 10:00 looks 8 Slimd Body see breast Good english skills (girl2).

Day 2 Evening 27 Years Old hairdresser, Slim / skinny tall blond be breast looks 7 Good english skills 4000 UAH 19:00 to 11:00 in morning (girl3).

I also had one backup but I told her I didn't knew if I came becauase simething changed so I would write If I came. 22 years old Slim Body, be breast Looks 9 she wanted 200 USD for evening +night til morning.

So on Arrival day. Girl from odessa ask if I fixed Plane ticket out of the blue.

In 99 out of 100 cases I would say forget it, but this girls and I have something totally crazy when we see, after seing couple of days with her I need rest after.

She is this type of girl that knows I Like sex and she will wake me up in night just to have sex, and not only 5 minutes but 20-30 1-2 times a night and then back to sleep, what's even better is that she is a 9 if not close to 10 on my scale.

52 Kg, 1. 68 High, see Breast modified but so soft and nice that the doctor should have an oscar for them, Age around 26 Not stupid but also not A grade student.

So we fixed tickets and payments we have an understanding on what she should have, but 2 days with her always end up in around 1. 000 Where the 600 is for her ann the 400 goes to shopping and eating.

So not the most cheap option but she is the best sex I have ever got and its just getting better and better.

But now I was overbooked. Which is Something I In general always try not to do.

So I changed my original 2 days in Kyiv to 3 days in kyiv.

Went to kyiv meet the first Girl1.

Totally sweet girl, good english and the sex was pretty good for 1 Time meeting, I still get msg. From her that she hope we soon see again, and I will also try and see her again, very wild in bed and either she is the best faker or she enjoyed it.

Girl 2-3 I Told them that my planes was moved so we could see on day 3, so yes I double booked them which Is in general not nice but I Had an plan.

So day 1 I went to airport get the odessa girls and the started 2 days of crazy sex and enjoyment, I think we had Sex the next 48 hours around 9 times, I lost count somwhere in all this.

Again a Perfect meeting, but to the expensive side, and she always try to get some extra gifts, and she always get some from me, I can afford it andshe is a nice girl to spend time with.

So on day 3 morning I Send her to airport and went back to appartment for sleep some hours.

Took decission that I wanted see girl3 that evening (4000 UAH) But also knew that I would be without alot of energy.

So I arranged that she came and we went out to eat first, medium expensive nice food and wine 1500 UAH, which I think she appriciated.

Back to appartment and drink some wine and speak little and then Sex which was pretty good but not something to write about, we fall asleep and woke up in morning and had another time of sex again okay sex but not anything special (for 4000 UAH it was a good bargain).

Drove her close to her home because it was in my direction, and we still have some msg. On whatsapp but she will only be an backup.

Now Back to Girl2 which I ofc not wanted burn totally so when I wrote that I would not come but I know its bad to just cancle same day so I arranged that She got her phone topped up with 750 UAH as an way to say sorry.

Which she really appriciated and said I should not have done and we will see another time ofc. When I'm there.

I always try and be nice and not double book and treat them like I want they treat me so that's why I did this.

BUt if anyone are going to kyiv then Mamba is a perfect hunting place at the moment, there are alot of freelancers and girls who just sometimes want little extra money, and for eveing till morning I was quoted from 4000 UAH to 750 euro where most was around 5000-7000 UAH which again is cheap but the situation here are bad for the girls.

[Partizaan]

I hope to be able to visit Kiev soon again for business and was checking out this forum again. Just shortly before Corona kicked in I had already the pleasure to be in Kiev for an international project. I hired a nice loft via Airbnb close to Arena and used the dating app Mamba to hook up with some local ladies. My far best experience was with a young brunette, called Marina. Actually I found her not on Mamba but on a local directory. There I cannot find here anymore but to my surprise I stumbled upon here again on an international directory called CLC and her profile is on the Kiev pages https://city-love-companions.com/escorts/kiev/ Her own profile page at the moment there is https://city-love-companions.com/escort/marina-2/.

She has a great figure with slim legs and natural big breasts. Her big light blue / grey eyes and thick shiny hair are also particularly charming. I invited her over to my apartment and booked her for an hour only. But despite the limited time it was really a GFE date; with lots of French kissing and fondling. Great oral skills (OWC) as well. Don't be fooled by her innocent girly looks because she has definitely a wild side and really enjoys sex. I always like to change and meet new girls but Marina I would definitely not mind seeing again next time in Kiev. Hope the (work) situation will allow me soon to travel again to Ukraine. Fingers crossed and any (travel) suggestions welcome.

[Riina]

Rio is a churn and burn scam. Most of the girls will want to run away after your first pop even though three hours was agreed upon. In this era, they would have to pay me to sit in their tiny rooms.

[Imoraig]

I was not necessarily frequenting Rio so much because from 2010 when River palace sank until 2015 when I moved to Europe I was coming from the US to Kiev only for 1 to 4 weeks per year, and that's when I was going to Rio.
I might have been just lucked out with the girl with whom I went to Turkey.

But the last time I went to Rio in late 2017 I did not necessarily find it much different from before. I always thought only 10 % of girls were above 8 there and was often surprised to see girls who shouldn't be stripping in front of discerning men doing just that. At the same time I took out a girl who may well be the most beautiful girl I have ever seen at Rio that night, although she may be too petite for many guys' taste. At that time it was still 300 USD to take out a girl (I don't know how much it is now), and by that time I was able to find girls for much less, so that was the last time I took a girl out from a strip club.

Yes you are right, as of 2020 Rio keeps pretty the same description and prices as you recall from 2017. Now I have also read here from people saying that such prices in Rio and other strip clubs are outrageous (Princess, Scarlet, Dolls. They look to me more or less the same level of talent, not sure if any one knows some better strip clubs in town). I can agree if you compare prices of rest of things in town, the talent prices are same as in western countries, which does not make sense.

My main disagreement comes when talking about "I was able to find girls for much less". How comes? Of course it is possible (and to some extent easy) to find girls, many girls. But what is not clear tome is that you can find nowadays those "above 8 level" and it will actually going to cost you anything less than 200 -300. Call it an arrangement, a dinner date or call it as you wish, but I don't see easy ways to get "above 8 level" below those prices. And the good thing in strip clubs is that you can at least see many different girls in the same place and interact and connect a bit with the girl you deem "your taste". This thing you can't really do when setting up dates online or in agencies or other ways. And the rest of nightlife is OK, but not so OK to pick up truly hotties. Caribean club and the likes they can be fun but you are not going to hook up there with "above 8 in looks".

So it would be good to see some peers here sharing tips on finding these "above 8 level", avoiding at the same time the expensive fees of strip clubs. Thanks in advance.

[Fred54]

At that time it was still 300 USD to take out a girl (I don't know how much it is now), and by that time I was able to find girls for much less, so that was the last time I took a girl out from a strip club.

I have a small question. Took out the girl means all the rest of the night is included with the girl. Or you must negotiate out of the club with the girl?

I go sometimes in strip club in western Europe, but this kind of option is not on the menu.

Thanks.

[Sorbonne]

This looks like amazing story, not sure if anyone who frequented Rio Strip Club pior to 2016 can confirm it that it was so much easier to "feel king" there, or if it was possible such a "love story" there.

Rio looks to me a safe and fun place to spend some time and to enjoy dances and a show, and also can be a good place to meet&connect hotties if you can afford them (of course the ll be asking 200 ish+) . I would be very surprised to learn some vacation like this without having to pay her can happen nowadays. All these girls are there doing business. I can't see how this gets to a "free trip" even if you actually get along nice together or go to a nice top location. It is just their way of life and their work and why they should make exceptions? We live in Instagram and onlyfans era, is just so easy to get involved into all this for any girl, specially if they learn from their colleagues in places like strip clubs. They all know from SA and other sites that such kind of arrangements are paid for, and it is so easy for them to check the "market rate".

But maybe as you said that was possible in Kiev in good all days, I don't know, don't have so much experience.

I was not necessarily frequenting Rio so much because from 2010 when River palace sank until 2015 when I moved to Europe I was coming from the US to Kiev only for 1 to 4 weeks per year, and that's when I was going to Rio.

I might have been just lucked out with the girl with whom I went to Turkey.

She was often telling me about how unlucky she had been with men in her life, and as I was just treating her with respect and kindness, she might have felt that her void was filled? For this reason I don't really believe that EVERY Ukrainian / Russian girl prefers brutemen to gentleman, as some people on this board claim, although there is no doubt that many Ukrainian women blatantly prefer brutes.

Besides, the girl seemed to be making a lot of money at Rio and probably was not looking for extra money but just for some fun or even for some fleeting sense of security with a kind man. Now I remember she was saying the only other country she had ever been to was Russia, and she had never experienced all-inclusive resort before.

After the trip we kept in touch of course, but eventually I had to let her go because she had a son, and I was not ready to have a relation with someone with children. (When we came back from Turkey, her son along with his nanny were waiting for her at KBP.)

I also believe it was an era before IG and SA in Kiev.

I do not really feel that I was doing anything special at that time. Although I had not followed this forum for a few years before corona, when I did follow back in the early decade, I remember seeing several others posting about their vacations with Kiev girls, whether they were sourced from Gia, Rio, Mamba or university campuses. But, to think about it, I'm not sure if they were paying the girls or not.

But the last time I went to Rio in late 2017 I did not necessarily find it much different from before. I always thought only 10 % of girls were above 8 there and was often surprised to see girls who shouldn't be stripping in front of discerning men doing just that. At the same time I took out a girl who may well be the most beautiful girl I have ever seen at Rio that night, although she may be too petite for many guys' taste. At that time it was still 300 USD to take out a girl (I don't know how much it is now), and by that time I was able to find girls for much less, so that was the last time I took a girl out from a strip club.

[DramaFree11]

This looks like amazing story, not sure if anyone who frequented Rio Strip Club pior to 2016 can confirm it that it was so much easier to "feel king" there, or if it was possible such a "love story" there.

Rio looks to me a safe and fun place to spend some time and to enjoy dances and a show, and also can be a good place to meet&connect hotties if you can afford them (of course the ll be asking 200 ish+) . I would be very surprised to learn some vacation like this without having to pay her can happen nowadays. All these girls are there doing business. I can't see how this gets to a "free trip" even if you actually get along nice together or go to a nice top location. It is just their way of life and their work and why they should make exceptions? We live in Instagram and onlyfans era, is just so easy to get involved into all this for any girl, specially if they learn from their colleagues in places like strip clubs. They all know from SA and other sites that such kind of arrangements are paid for, and it is so easy for them to check the "market rate".

But maybe as you said that was possible in Kiev in good all days, I don't know, don't have so much experience.

Rio was amazing back in day, but those days are long gone. Now expressive and a lot of games, that the manager play. I high have no problem with the prices if the quality is there, but it is just not the case anymore. Very average and many would say below average for the price.

The last time I went was with a very hot girl 8. 5, I worked on her for years. She laughed at the quality of girls there, I do not think there was even a 7 there that night and I would say more 5's the 6's.

[Imoraig]

I also used to source my girls from strip clubs.

But it was my understanding that whoever owned Rio relocated Mandarin to downtown and renamed it as Scarlet, thereby I did not see much difference between the two. So I'm a little puzzled by PS' comment. Maybe just a different perception? Or was I drunk? I've been to both only a few times each and liked them both.

I used to frequent Rio between 2010 and 2015. Good old times. You could behave like a king just by tipping a few managers 100 UAH each.

Rio is best remembered for this girl, whom, after taking her out 2 or 3 times from Mandarin / Rio, I was able to take to Turkey for a beach vacation in summer 2015. I paid for our flights (with my mileages) and for our all inclusive 5* hotel / resort but didn't have to pay her. She was a little too old to my taste at 26 but resembled a well-known celebrity, no joke. Both of us said it was our best vacation ever.

This looks like amazing story, not sure if anyone who frequented Rio Strip Club pior to 2016 can confirm it that it was so much easier to "feel king" there, or if it was possible such a "love story" there.

Rio looks to me a safe and fun place to spend some time and to enjoy dances and a show, and also can be a good place to meet&connect hotties if you can afford them (of course the ll be asking 200 ish+) . I would be very surprised to learn some vacation like this without having to pay her can happen nowadays. All these girls are there doing business. I can't see how this gets to a "free trip" even if you actually get along nice together or go to a nice top location. It is just their way of life and their work and why they should make exceptions? We live in Instagram and onlyfans era, is just so easy to get involved into all this for any girl, specially if they learn from their colleagues in places like strip clubs. They all know from SA and other sites that such kind of arrangements are paid for, and it is so easy for them to check the "market rate".

But maybe as you said that was possible in Kiev in good all days, I don't know, don't have so much experience.

[AntonySun1996]

But I don't know how they check were have you been last 14 days, also don't know if they make you a questionary about it and what happens if you lie, I will try to get some info about it.

I guess they could know where you've been simply by checking stamps on your passport.

[Sorbonne]

I also used to source my girls from strip clubs.

But it was my understanding that whoever owned Rio relocated Mandarin to downtown and renamed it as Scarlet, thereby I did not see much difference between the two. So I'm a little puzzled by PS' comment. Maybe just a different perception? Or was I drunk? I've been to both only a few times each and liked them both.

I used to frequent Rio between 2010 and 2015. Good old times. You could behave like a king just by tipping a few managers 100 UAH each.

Rio is best remembered for this girl, whom, after taking her out 2 or 3 times from Mandarin / Rio, I was able to take to Turkey for a beach vacation in summer 2015. I paid for our flights (with my mileages) and for our all inclusive 5* hotel / resort but didn't have to pay her. She was a little too old to my taste at 26 but resembled a well-known celebrity, no joke. Both of us said it was our best vacation ever.

In fact taking girls out on vacation is my favorite activity and have also taken Mamba girls to Croatia and Dominican Republic (all with the same arrangement as above). Mamba used to have this page for travel companions, but I guess it has been long gone.

2 years ago, this 18 y.o. regular cutie said to me she wanted to go to Maldives, Bali or DR, but I had to deal with it at a Kiev resort hotel because I've been on budget more recently.

Basically, I wouldn't be bragging here if things are going just as well today as before, LOL.