Kyiv

[Timmy21]

But I just want to give my feelings regarding the Ukraine economy, I am not an ecomomist by any means, but I ve lived here for the past four years and I also spent the night in the Hotel Donbass. Twice.

I think Qjump and Hecker both raise interesting points, and I can see were they're coming from, right now in Ukraine we have Inflation (big time) which is high prices, high wages, high growth, low unemployment, last April in a move to curb this inflation the UAH was made stronger against all majors, I think they made this move in an effort to slow the economy, and maybe even bring on a mild resession, and this would mean low prices, low growth, low wages, and higher unemployment. It appears to be working somewhat, the inflation rate at present is 16 percent, a few months ago it was close to 30, and economists are predicting that for the year 2009, inflation could be as low as 9 percent. My feelings, wishfull thinking, I think 12 or 13 percent is more realistic.

Qjump makes an interesting point, I think he's saying high wages; yes, but also high energy costs, which of course is very true. As an example, the cost for bus fare has risen by 100 percent in the past year, an average ukrainan could easily spend 100 dollars a month on bus fares. But, it could get much worst, on January 1, natural gas cost could increase 300 percent, and if this happens, expect to see; to put it bluntly, and economic collapse. The reason for this is because the industry here has not modernized, not at all, plants spend alot of money for their engerny needs and if this increases, I think you can expect to see lay offs in the thousands, esp. Were I live in the far east. Just my feelings, if any one wants to know about the circus called Ukraine politics I can give input re: that issue as well. And one more thing, OBAMA! Please.

[Hecker]

I think that the limit is the 300 euro. I mean, as I have written before, when the average wages exceed 300 euro per month (or 300$ when referring to older times), chances to get freebies get much worse because the lower class, unemployed etc desperate girls who strived for short term relationships (even for one day) with foreigners vanish and the more they disapear, the less the chances for getting quick results (without having to start a relationship) become.

It happened in Czech Republic in 1999 when the wages surpassed 300$ per month and in Poland in 2001 when the same happened.

It probably happened in Russia two years ago. (just see the reports in Moscow 2005 section and compare to those nowadays).

So in my opinion the huge base that provided easy to shag freebies for one night stand has shrinken to such an extent that it is almost impossible for the short time traveller to rely on finding them and so he has to start long term relationship (which means visiting more often than once a year), which before was not the case and of course no prerequisite for getting laid.

[Qjump]

Wages in Kiev reached 3200 grivnya last July.This means 500 euro average wage.In province they reached 2000 grivnya,about 300 euro.

So in comparison to 1999(average wage 50$) the salaries are 6 times higher and in comparison to 2003(average 85$) more than 3 times higher since the dollar is devalued,so we take euro into account.

Inflation rose by 30% last year,so money spent on dates increase.

Comparison to Poland:wages 2.5 times less than the polish (850 euro).

Comparison to Czech Republic:wages 3 times less than the czech (900 euro).

Kiev wages more than half than average polish wage.

All these reflect on the difficulty on getting girls.

Even more:Unemployment in Ukraine is 8%,in CR 8%,in Poland 12%.
In Kiev less than 1%.

So the map has changed since 2003 for example when the average ukrainian wage was 5 times lower than the czech and 4 times lower than the polish.

The difference becomes less in relative terms but bigger in absolute numbers.
What matters for getting freebies in my opinion are the relative numbers,the proportion,3:1 in 2008 between CR and Ukraine instead of 5:1 in 2003 and not the absolute difference in wages (400 euro in 2003,600 euro now).

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The gas prices have just risen by 65%, thanks to the dick head presedent inviting the americans to use Ukrainian ports and come visit him on a weekly basis. so the wages are all spent anyway and bound to go up more!

[Hecker]

Wages in Kiev reached 3200 grivnya last July.This means 500 euro average wage.In province they reached 2000 grivnya,about 300 euro.

So in comparison to 1999(average wage 50$) the salaries are 6 times higher and in comparison to 2003(average 85$) more than 3 times higher since the dollar is devalued,so we take euro into account.

Inflation rose by 30% last year,so money spent on dates increase.

Comparison to Poland:wages 2.5 times less than the polish (850 euro).

Comparison to Czech Republic:wages 3 times less than the czech (900 euro).

Kiev wages more than half than average polish wage.

All these reflect on the difficulty on getting girls.

Even more:Unemployment in Ukraine is 8%,in CR 8%,in Poland 12%.
In Kiev less than 1%.

So the map has changed since 2003 for example when the average ukrainian wage was 5 times lower than the czech and 4 times lower than the polish.

The difference becomes less in relative terms but bigger in absolute numbers.
What matters for getting freebies in my opinion are the relative numbers,the proportion,3:1 in 2008 between CR and Ukraine instead of 5:1 in 2003 and not the absolute difference in wages (400 euro in 2003,600 euro now).

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[Hecker]

Some advice for taxi by my personal experience.

1. Lada taxis cost always less than other more advanced vehicles. It is more unlikely that you get scammed by entering an old Lada taxi. So search for Ladas everywhere.

2. Do not approach taxis which stand next to each other because their drivers are friends and by the time one of them gives an offer, the rest will not accept any grivnya less. So it is better to approach alone taxis.

3. In airport. When you arrive, a guy or more will come to you and tell you to come to their taxis before you even exit terminal. They will never leave you being on your face literally and speaking to you constantly.

Never accept to get into the taxi of the first person who comes and talks to you. He will ask for a ridiculous price, for example 250 grivnyas because he regards you as an ignorant tourist. Say I know the price is only 100 grivnyas and say it in Russian. The first driver will not accept such a low offer and will try to take you to his friends who will try to arrange a slightly better price let's say 150-180 grivnya. You have to ignore them and go to the next group of taxi drivers.

It is important if the drivers are friends between each other. If they are not, they will start giving competitive prices, for example one will say I will take you with 140 grivnyas, you tell that the other from the different group of drivers and he says, O. K. , I will take you with 130 grivnyas, you act then like willing to enter the taxi and then get again to the first driver who offered you 140 grivnyas, you tell him the other driver from the next group accepts only 120 grivnyas, so he has to lower the price. He will say something like O. K.come in, I will take you with 110 grivnyas.

By this time you can enter the taxi because if you try to get even more discount by continuing the bid, it is likely that some others like managers will appear to solve the conflict and they will insist that you pay 150 grivnyas or you have to leave. So just take advantage and do not overdo because they regard bid as stealing them while if they manage to keep the price up by former arrangement that no taxi driver will take less than 150 grivnyas for example, means that they win.

The point is to win them but to not completely humiliate them as to make them take revenge. (aka the driver saying sorry Mr. , I don't have coins or 10, 20 grivnyas banknotes, so I cannot give you 30 back if you give me 150, meaning that you have to pay 150 actually since it is impossible for you to get 10, 20 grivnya banknotes in remote area).

The means Ukrainians use to scam tourists

1. Blackmail

2. Quick action, so you cannot oppose it

3. Element of surprise. You do not expect at all that it will happen

4. Taking you in unfavourable circumstances. When you are off balance, on trip, tired, in remote areas, etc. So you don't have power to resist.

I gave you some hints about the way they think and see situations. There are winners and losers everywhere.

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[Cruiser D]

Okay, a taxi question, I'll field this one.

The taxi services that most locals use charge around 110uah to go to the airport. I paid 108uah at the end of this winter from Maidan to Borispil. Taking a taxi from Borispil to the center always seems to be a little more expensive due to taxi mafia pricing. I paid 150uah on NYE for Borispil to the center, anywhere from 100uah to 150uah is reasonable pricing. However, I have never actually walked past the taxi guys to outside the terminal to see if I could get a better fare, might be worth a try.

Pricing inside the center tends to run from 20uah anywhere inside the center to 50uah to anywhere the metro goes. I haven't used a private car in about 2 years so I have no idea where that pricing is. ALWAYS settle on the pricing before you get in the car. If it's too high flag down the next car.

Dr S. I still think the breaking point at RP is $200 for several hours. I could be wrong - I'm not an RP pro, but I do know people who are.

[Duesentrieb]

I don't write reports here because of my limited English skills, anyway I had a question about the Taxi Prices in Kiev today:

1. What is a fair price for the trip from Borispol-Airport to the city centre ?

2. What is a fair price for distances within the city if you take non-official taxis, for example from maidan-place to "Shooters" Discotheque?

Thanks in advance!

[Folletto]

Good! And report us please... I think to another sex week...

In my opinion the best way is just going and sit at the bar... order something and keep an eye on the tables... usually full of teens from 7-8 pm up to 12... then deciste which you can pick up...

Usually I rent a flat exactly in front of the entrance of Mandarin so I'm not more far than 50 m from Arena and from a couple of nice bars where I can have a good breakfast. Some in the underground city (in the middle part just under the little square in front of the merket) have even "Illy caffè" a must for Italians... and the underground pub beside ul. Baseina number 5 opens at 11 and make excellent breakfast with eggs, bacon, etc...

If you need a good restaurant in walking distance (but no pick up there), on ground in my taste ARENA food is so so, you gan get at Pervak, just around the corner and next block www.pervak.kiev.ua

At the corner of the little and short Rogodieniskaya and Kreshatik... not more than 150 meters, not cheap (a good dinner will go for 100 USD for two), not western, but good international cooking, good georgian wine, good beer, they have Illy Caffè too... different areas inside, and a nice and luxurious place to "work" a normal girl to get her in bed. Worked with miss U., with Ira and others...

Casual with no sneakers is OK, open to the last customer leave.

Happy hunting

It

Of course you are in a Hotel, but I write this for others too... Notice that Mystery Tramp is at work again... ah ah she was on flirt some days ago... unfortunately Lol...ita is definly gone She is my best fuck, BBBJ + CIM + COF GFE ever... 9/10 just because no Anal.

Hello IT can you give me the exact address of "Illy Caffè" ? or much more informations for find it?

Thank you

[Doctor_Skank]

Are you guys serious about a girl at RP with a Ferrari? I thought you were just joking. Will be in Kiev the weekend of the 13th. Must check her out for myself. But if prices are really headed to where you say they are, it might be a short visit to RP.

My advice for RP:

* Go there for fun and with the right attitude. It's your night.
* The right attitude is that it is a game, because it is. You can't win, but you don't have to lose.
* If you want to get laid, plan on spending $250-300. No more.
* You can get away with less, but you'll have to wait until at least 2:30-3:00. Girls start with $500.

Take a look, there are good girls to be had and performance is IME very good. But there are few "bargains" price-wise in RP. Essentially it is a slightly bigger version of RP.

[Jake993]

Yea I met the girl with the ferrari she gave me a lift home...

Are you guys serious about a girl at RP with a Ferrari? I thought you were just joking. Will be in Kiev the weekend of the 13th. Must check her out for myself. But if prices are really headed to where you say they are, it might be a short visit to RP.

[Qjump]

Was in the RP for the 100th time. If you see a girl from there driving a Ferrari, it was paid by me :-)
Girls now ask already USD 400. Regardless whetehr you agree or not with their price level, that they try (i never paid) to raise their prices, is not unfair: Kiev is getting avery expensive place very fast. 20% inflation in the first 5 months of the year! The Radisson was around 290 euro/night a year ago, soon it is 390.
The Hyatt went up froim 414 euro a few months ago to more than 500 euro now! SO one night in Kiev can become expensive when you take "all the expensive options":-)

Its called inflation in a growing economy! if your from the US that's a strange saying I know to put growing and economy in the same sentence!
But hey some places in the world still have growth.
The words credit crunch are not heard here in Ukraine.......
Yea I met the girl with the ferrari she gave me a lift home... telling me something about daft foreginers thinking pussy is worth so much

[Fslag338]

Was in the RP for the 100th time. If you see a girl from there driving a Ferrari, it was paid by me :-)
Girls now ask already USD 400. Regardless whetehr you agree or not with their price level, that they try (i never paid) to raise their prices, is not unfair: Kiev is getting avery expensive place very fast. 20% inflation in the first 5 months of the year! The Radisson was around 290 euro/night a year ago, soon it is 390.
The Hyatt went up froim 414 euro a few months ago to more than 500 euro now! SO one night in Kiev can become expensive when you take "all the expensive options":-)

[Doctor_Skank]

As the good Doc likes to say, as long as you are having fun that's all that matters.

PP does have the perfect location, but if I was on the company dime I think I'd rather spend it at the Hyatt. Maybe PP tanked the lobby girls to promote the strip club? The big money by the hour girls or sugar babies are hanging out at Decedence.

Hey Doc, are we doing the Superbowl at RP again this year? It will be year #5 for me - four at RP, one at Arena. I think I'm going to skip NYE in Kyiv this year but ya never know.

If money were absolutely no object, I might chose the Hyatt as well... but as it is, the Hyatt is about $200 MORE a night than PP. It was the company's time, but I did have to show some inkling of financial responsibility.

Super Bowl is on, for sure. Wouldn't miss it for the world! I'm staying longer this time to... will prob arrive Saturday and stay through most of the week.

[Cruiser D]

As the good Doc likes to say, as long as you are having fun that's all that matters.

PP does have the perfect location, but if I was on the company dime I think I'd rather spend it at the Hyatt. Maybe PP tanked the lobby girls to promote the strip club? The big money by the hour girls or sugar babies are hanging out at Decedence.

Hey Doc, are we doing the Superbowl at RP again this year? It will be year #5 for me - four at RP, one at Arena. I think I'm going to skip NYE in Kyiv this year but ya never know.

[Markharding]

Thanks Markharding, brilliant post, keep up the good work!

Cruiser, of course you are right. We are paying always, but in this case under a significantly discounted rate and service quality is guaranteed. One can have a wonderful week for under $1,000 with a cutie who really knows how to satisfy your needs. Markharding, can you tell me what is wrong with that?

There is nothing wrong with that. If this is what you want, it is your perogative.

But my opinion is that these girls are professional actresses. This is why mongers are constantly chasing pros from town to town, country to country, and continent to continent, IN SEARCH OF THAT GIRL-FRIEND EXPERIENCE.

But one will never get a GFE except with a true girl-friend.

In my opinion, this whole issue of mongering is an addictive disease, like gambling etc ... And I wish I can be cured of this disease myself.

Take care and thanks for reading.