Kyiv

[AColonizer]

I think this is my last time, for this year or more, in Kiev. I will upload a nice picture of my favourite girl, when I will come back home. I have a lot of things to think about at my home.

I am here just to write: I have fear! Every Slavic person can be a wolf hidden in a lamb.

Some strange and bad things are happened in these last days. For example, I discovered that, that taxi driver who I thought he was my friend, instead he is strongly connected with prostitution management. And some more different bad things.

How can foreigners trust in these people when these people can suddendly become their own killers? I have fear!

[DJ FourMoney]

i don't think it is wage... ukrainian girls spend what little money they have on things that make them look good. they'd rather starve than not have anything to wear. every girl has a mini in her closet... and can get dolled up decently if she has too. still there is a big difference between being professionally styled (expensively) and doing it yourself. often that's the superficial difference between girls in elite clubs and restuarants and more average ones. just my personal impression.

the main reason you see mostly average girls on the street is because most girls are average. average looking, average dreams, average motivation. once you've been in ee for a while and the wow factor wears off, you notice that by no means are all ukr girls hot. before i get flamed, that isn't to say that ukr girls and their slavic sisters aren't on average hotter than almost any other girls on the planet overall... they are, at least for those who like white girls.

there was never a "wow" factor to wear off, i had already been in norway and sweden and throughly impressed.

i agree among "white women" scandinavia and fsu have the rest of the world beat hands down, its not even a competition.

who would flame you?

anybody that has been a few places would know that while slavic women are hot, they tend to be very thin, have flat butts and most of the time, generally no curves at all. some caucasian guys especially those from europe tend to like that look. american taste tend to vary from person to person as our mixed heritage creates some interesting and attractive women and shapes our taste in women.

i can appreciate the typically attractive slavic woman. in a way its sexy, while elegant and graceful especially with tall women. they are tight and taut, many american women that thin are skanky and mousy.

scandinavians tend to be more my speed as i am a "tit" man firstly and an "ass" man secondly and while "ass" is harder to find in say norway, its not impossible.

nobody has ass like latinas or black women its not even up for discussion but i think people confuse that erotic sexy look with "cheap" and "dirty" and that's too bad.

i still think sao paulo or at the least the southern part of brasil is the best of both worlds, strictly based on photo submissions on isg of course - :d

[Doctor_Skank]

Yep Yep...

I noticed that too, very plain, no makeup, pants mostly, no mini's really nothing fancy. That's because the average wage doesn't allow it.

I don't think it is wage... Ukrainian girls spend what little money they have on things that make them look good. They'd rather starve than not have anything to wear. Every girl has a mini in her closet... and can get dolled up decently if she has too. Still there is a big difference between being professionally styled (expensively) and doing it yourself. Often that's the superficial difference between girls in elite clubs and restuarants and more average ones. Just my personal impression.

The main reason you see mostly average girls on the street is because most girls ARE average. Average looking, average dreams, average motivation. Once you've been in EE for a while and the WOW factor wears off, you notice that by no means are all Ukr girls hot. Before I get flamed, that isn't to say that Ukr girls and their Slavic sisters aren't on average hotter than almost any other girls on the planet overall... they are, at least for those who like white girls.

[Hecker]

In addition to that, despite all the talk of sponsored girls etc., the vast majority of girls lead fairly simple, boring lives... and go to clubs maybe once of month, if at all.

If you take time to look at Ukrainian girls' faces and bodies, IMO you'll notice that often all that separates a plain Jane 7 from a stunning 9 is upscale clothing, a decent hairdresser, a tan and some other forms of decoration and maintenance. The faces and bodies are often quite uniform. It's no surprise that most models were once plain-looking dumpy country girls with good bone structure that somebody "discovered" and glammed up.

I have measured the incidence of attractive girls in Kiev by observations on the street.Independant of clothing,make up etc,based only on phsyical appearance the incidence of attractive girls in Kiev is 1 out of 20.This means that there are about 10000 beautiful girls in Kiev.(Population 2.5 million,half of them women,1/5 of women in age 18-30,1/20 of them attractive).

The proportion of attractive girls in Dnipro for example is 1 out of 30.In Poland it is 1 out of 10 etc.

[Hecker]

That is the stigma.

I don't always go for the super skinny ones DJ4$, depends on my mood. Sometimes I like a bit more tit and ass.Just curious, where do you think it is better?

Let's say you stay in Kiev 7 days to bed a 7 and you spend 2300 euro(plane tickets included) for all the dating(with girls you bang or not).

So the index becomes quality(7) x number(1)/money spent(2300) x time(7 days).You divide the money by 1000 to get a result without zeros.So you have:

7 x 1/ 2,3 x 7.The index is 1/2.3 or 0.4.

Let's say you travel to another place where you bang an 8 and a 7 and you spend 1600 euro for one week.The index becomes: (8 x 1)+(7x1)/1.6 x 7.

It is 15/11.2 or 1.3.

So the index can triple if you travel to another place and get these results.

In my opinion the normal index for Kiev by this method is 0.4-0.8 depending on
monger.For example if you need to travel more than one time to bang a girl you met before,then you have to calculate 2 or more plane tickets in expenses,so the index lowers.

From my experience there are 2-3 ukrainian cities where the index is better than in Kiev and I strongly suspect 1-2 belarus cities as well.

[DJ FourMoney]

In addition to that, despite all the talk of sponsored girls etc., the vast majority of girls lead fairly simple, boring lives... and go to clubs maybe once of month, if at all.

If you take time to look at Ukrainian girls' faces and bodies, IMO you'll notice that often all that separates a plain Jane 7 from a stunning 9 is upscale clothing, a decent hairdresser, a tan and some other forms of decoration and maintenance. The faces and bodies are often quite uniform. It's no surprise that most models were once plain-looking dumpy country girls with good bone structure that somebody "discovered" and glammed up.

Yep Yep...

I noticed that too, very plain, no makeup, pants mostly, no mini's really nothing fancy. That's because the average wage doesn't allow it.

[Doctor_Skank]

You guys do know there are several tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kyiv, right? To those who find it tough going - Stay away from the very attractive spoiled 'center' girls. There are going to chew you up and spit you out. Then we all get to hear you cry about it on here.

In addition to that, despite all the talk of sponsored girls etc., the vast majority of girls lead fairly simple, boring lives... and go to clubs maybe once of month, if at all.

If you take time to look at Ukrainian girls' faces and bodies, IMO you'll notice that often all that separates a plain Jane 7 from a stunning 9 is upscale clothing, a decent hairdresser, a tan and some other forms of decoration and maintenance. The faces and bodies are often quite uniform. It's no surprise that most models were once plain-looking dumpy country girls with good bone structure that somebody "discovered" and glammed up.

[DJ FourMoney]

You guys do know there are several tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kyiv, right? To those who find it tough going - Stay away from the very attractive spoiled 'center' girls. There are going to chew you up and spit you out. Then we all get to hear you cry about it on here.

If you have been to Kyiv more then 3-4 times and are still lamenting about this or that it's time to find someplace else to go.

Spanishboy, you don't need to have the girl call a taxi service at RP. Just walk to the street and flag down a car. I generally pay 30uah when I leave to go back to the center - with or without a girl. Sometimes 40 or 50 if I'm tired.

Hey, where have Irish Lad, Uke and Tonit66 been?

I totally agree, there are many "Stunnas" among the "normal" women you''ll find on the outskirts of the city and at agencies around the city, several of them...

[DJ FourMoney]

That is the stigma.
I don't always go for the super skinny ones DJ4$, depends on my mood. Sometimes I like a bit more tit and ass.Just curious, where do you think it is better?

I'll take any of your leftovers!

I know you like some "onion" and "melons" with your ladies, I its just the very tall and very thin ones tend to stand out -

[Cruiser D]

You guys do know there are several tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kyiv, right? To those who find it tough going - Stay away from the very attractive spoiled 'center' girls. There are going to chew you up and spit you out. Then we all get to hear you cry about it on here.

If you have been to Kyiv more then 3-4 times and are still lamenting about this or that it's time to find someplace else to go.

Spanishboy, you don't need to have the girl call a taxi service at RP. Just walk to the street and flag down a car. I generally pay 30uah when I leave to go back to the center - with or without a girl. Sometimes 40 or 50 if I'm tired.

Hey, where have Irish Lad, Uke and Tonit66 been?

[Doctor_Skank]

"You come to Kiev just to see cheap girls..."

That is the stigma.

Here body however is better than some of the extremely skinny girls that Doc likes to post, but he likes them that way and I wouldn't kick a thin girl like that out of my bed either.

I don't always go for the super skinny ones DJ4$, depends on my mood. Sometimes I like a bit more tit and ass.

Some people may be happy with the above but the challenge is that there are alternative places where the ratio quality x number/time x money is better.

Just curious, where do you think it is better?

[DJ FourMoney]

The question about freebies in Kiev is the relationship quality x number/time x money spent. This is rather low since in Kiev you can get an 8 in terms of appearance maximum (mostly you bed 6-7) and the number if you stay one week and do everything inside the week (first meeting to bed) will be 1-2 while the expenses will be at least 250 euro everyday (everything included, rent, dates expenses, clubs), so you will have spent 1850 + 400 euro plane ticket just to fuck one 7 or 6.

Some people may be happy with the above but the challenge is that there are alternative places where the ratio quality x number/time x money is better.

Interesting points...

2.5 days, one trip to RP (didn't do take out), about $170 US in accommodations between two different places and I had my hands around her breast, kissing her neck and her pants down while the baby slept on day 3 about 4 feet from us.

That was shot number 1

Shot number 2 I have on my hard drive - which happen after dinner, she cooked, now restaurant food here.

First time ever traveler to EE, Not even considered a serious player or monger State side, did I get lucky?

I don't think so. Putting cultural differences aside for a second, women deep down desire the SAME things when it comes to partners in varying degrees.

She is not a looker, needs the right clothes, hair style and makeup to elevate her status which I put at 5. Her body however is better than some of the extremely skinny girls that Doc likes to post, but he likes them that way and I wouldn't kick a thin girl like that out of my bed either. This woman is much thinner by American standards with larger B or small C cup titties.

Add the incentive that I am an African-American, that might have increased my chances of sexual contact by a certain amount. I mean the Hungarian girl I dated for a hot second here in LA, she had a nice collection of IR porn in her apartment, she worked for a distributor so access was easy but she didn't bother to hide it well either.

I bring that up to prove there's a measurable amount of natural curiosity and many women are interested in the myths and fables they have heard from Western Women.

So not turning this post to be about me per-say but I came out ahead by going the freebie route. The only thing that didn't make it worth it overall is that I had to play damage control when the freebie felt cheap and used all of a sudden... We just had did the deed about two hours earlier and after dinner, Telos SMS'ed me and wanted to know if I wanted to go out with him.

That's when the shit hit the fan, she made a big scene and there was plenty of drama with her putting the baby in the stroller and actually opening the door, but I knew she wasn't going anyplace....

"You come to Kiev just to see cheap girls..."

She also said something that might have caused me to leave but I knew it was anger speaking and not her true intent and unfortunately she pulled out the "race" card and babbled something about there wasn't AIDS in Ukraine until African immigrants showed up and she was concerned I had made her sick, Uh chances are Caucasian mongers are not going to get this card pulled on them.

Just to prove that was false, she sheepishly requested we fuck again and that this time we get it on her digital camera.

From time to time, on Skype she'll ask when I am visiting again and when are we going to have sex again and she has sent me nude pictures, topless pictures and the like...lol

For unexperienced mongers (I totally include myself in that) you should stick to proven properties and RTFF!

If your serious about meeting your future wife, just be honest, no shadiness, no double talk, no tricks. It pays off quickly, as I said I don't think what happen to me is unique.

[Hecker]

The question about freebies in Kiev is the relationship quality x number/time x money spent. This is rather low since in Kiev you can get an 8 in terms of appearance maximum (mostly you bed 6-7) and the number if you stay one week and do everything inside the week (first meeting to bed) will be 1-2 while the expenses will be at least 250 euro everyday (everything included, rent, dates expenses, clubs), so you will have spent 1850 + 400 euro plane ticket just to fuck one 7 or 6.

Some people may be happy with the above but the challenge is that there are alternative places where the ratio quality x number/time x money is better.

[AColonizer]

Thank you Spanishboy.

I would like to underline the first problem is not prices, because prostitutes' prices have the same strategy of taxi's prices, but the first problem is the quality.

Maybe most men are used to very low quality, maybe most men like just piggy sex with every kind of girl, but to find a charming girl very good at everything sex, it is hard in all over the world: sex is an art that most people think to know but they know at maximum 25%.

And sometimes it is very ridicolous when men talk about freebies. Freebies don't always mean nice girls. Because you fuck for free, therefore your girl is nice?

OK, I agree, it should be better never with prostitutes.

[SpanishBoy 29]

I am sorry for my english, I have been now in kiev so many times, I know how is work in kiev if you are only in kiev for 4 days is the best place go to Riverplace. But many tourist rip of the market so now the price is from 200 to 400$ for 1 hour. Before the price was 100$, if you pick up a girl from riverplace is good for you to ask is this girl call taxi agency so you will only pay 30 uah or you take take outside riverplace you will pay 100 uah. Before you come to kiev you need to make a budget because is expensive city. I prefare to go nightclub and pick up a freebies, but is not easy. For tourist or foreginer is the best to stay in the city because is safe for you. I have been in saxon nightclub and forsage nightclub, yes is a lot of student but is far away from city and I feel not safe like when I go to nightclub in the city it can be dangerous, because many taxi driver is corrupt they working with police and mafia.

About skybar and decadence don't go because is expencive the price of entrance is 150 uah and some in the weekend 200 uah, is a elite club only full of rich people, if you come there so is better too stay in your country. What I found is very important in kiev is how you dress and especial your shoes, you need to dress well or you don't have any chance, you need to know, is the girls who play the market in kiev now, so you can meet many girl who just play with you especial for tourist you will spend a lot of money of her and you get nothing from her. Shooters is a good place to pick up some freebies and some times art 44 and in krechatyk)). About safety is safe in the city, beware of drunk people in group, they are some skinhead grown it up in kiev now they get inspiration from russia. But almost go after turkish, arabic, and african student.

I am professionel hunters I am only looking only for freebies, I can not tell you what is the best bar and the best nightclub, because tourist who read this will only rip of the market))).

Have a nice time in Kiev.

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