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01-04-20 14:49 #20290
Posts: 12First time, thinking of going
Hello everyone,
I always thought of going Ukraine to find some hot girls for a reasonable price for sex. After reading most of the reviews on this page, Ukraine does not seem like a place that is convenient and seems like a lot of scams and over price. Can someone tell me otherwise? If not I'm going to just stick to my Thailand, Germany, Barcelona, Montreal.
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01-04-20 10:46 #20289
Posts: 124Originally Posted by NoMarriage [View Original Post]
Didn't understand what you said about ferrari at arena.
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01-04-20 04:20 #20288
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Habeed [View Original Post]
Instead of feeling insulted, why don't you read 20-30 pages back. ISG Forum allows looking at all posts for any particular member. Everything is out there including detailed explanation of my approach.
It seems you traveled to Kiev multiple times, and surely know by now that it is not easy at all, not cheap, and thanks God it is nothing like USA.
You will not be spoonfed on this Forum. Not by me. And I mean it not for you personally.
Sufficient information has been exchanged to make the trip successful for many visitors even on their first time. And you are not first timer, yet do not seem happy.
David42 is the most recent example. He made mistakes of his own in the very beginning, but was relentless, and eventually worked it out beautifully. One thing that differentiates him. He didn't have contempt for Ukrainian ladies, he didn't look at them as naturally born cheaters. Many visitors do. An it is a huge turn off, as girls sense it right away, and behave accordingly. I'm not saying to relax and think every one is a princess. By all means do not let your guard down, still there is a reasonable balance. Otherwise you will get a mere 60 minutes receptacle of your sperm, nothing more.
Again, if you want a simple sex for money acts, then go to Tijuana. Way cheaper and closer than Kiev. Some people think Moscow is amazing hehehe.
Sincerely speaking, I do not think Kiev is the best fit for you. Maybe I am mistaken. Just thinking aloud.
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01-03-20 05:06 #20287
Posts: 29Apartments
They are all free at the Ferrari store in Arena city on Khryshatic. Any tips on how to find girls not from internet as aged women 24 and over is too old for me. I don't want to work to find a hot girl. I was lucky as an 18 year old by passed the mafia apartments and started seeing me on my own. She was everything on the table. And wow. 2nd visit with a buddy was all condom now.
Someone else said to go to the Lisovak statation. IDK someone with exp fill me in.
Originally Posted by David42 [View Original Post]
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12-31-19 16:02 #20286
Posts: 37Dude
Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
I don't enjoy your tone in this message.
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12-31-19 16:00 #20285
Posts: 37Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
They would mostly fail in the USA. And you see them deserted of customers here. But I concede that the occasional foreign "whale" who falls for the scam obviously is very profitable for the business and they keep the doors open.
Or not, could be they are all money laundering, dunno.
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12-31-19 14:11 #20284
Posts: 2Agency
Hi,
Which Kiev agency could you recommend?
Thanks.
Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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12-31-19 07:53 #20283
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Habeed [View Original Post]
2. Please do not bother PM me though. Read below. Besides I am definitely not a pimp. And flattery doesn't work on me.
3. Kiev seems to frustrate you. If you don't like it, go to Moscow. Or Tijuana. The latter one is very transactional. Truly well oiled machine.
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12-31-19 07:42 #20282
Posts: 823Ukrainians seem to have a different (and incorrect) theory of economics.
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12-30-19 23:31 #20281
Posts: 37Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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12-30-19 23:28 #20280
Posts: 37My latest experience
Question for Photoslider: can you share with us the list of sites or methods you use to find girls? FINDING girls who I can communicate with (perhaps there is a translator I can hire?) who don't have GPS is a big problem here. A million hot girls but if you can't speak the language and you feel awkward approaching in the street.
So I am on week 3 of a 3 week trip to Ukraine. I started in Lviv, for personal reasons, but after trying for 5 days I took a train to Kiev. Lviv has jack shit. I found 4 different brothels. Two have a "taxi lineup" where several girls come crammed in a taxi to your place and you pick one. All are terrible. Out of 4 brothels, and about 15 girls I saw and 4 I fucked, the service was mediocre with all, and all were older and fatter. Also none had a pretty face.
Without an idea how photoslider did it, I went to a site I am familiar with in the USA, seeking arrangement.
So this site only works in Kiev, there are not sufficient girls yet on the site in any of the other Ukrainian cities. And the problem with most of the seeking girls is GPS. They have a hugely inflated sense of their market value. I have seen quotes for 1000 euro, 500 euro, 500 usd several times, and a couple for 300. Worse, if you offer something reasonable most will refuse. I also tried saying yes, and those girls harass me constantly. This is because they may set their prices this high, but they are getting very few sales at that price. Ukrainians don't seem to understand the relationship between price and demand.
Anyways, I eventually saw 3 girls. One met me at the mall and scammed me out of about $40. "let's buy a gift for my sister". The amount was so small that I didn't really expect her to scam me.
The second I fucked for 250 USD. She was the lowest quote I had seen and I wanted to at least see what that would buy me. Basically a hooker experience with DFK with that one. (not even a BBBJ).
The third I am still seeing. She's some poor unemployed student, about a 7 with great legs and butt. Far more GFE an experience, she comes over and watches TV with me and we cuddle and the sex comes naturally. And the first time I started handing her money and she stopped me at 2 k uah. I have given here 3 k uah each meeting afterwards, my choice, part of that "efficiency wage" theory of economics.
But she is kind of flakey, has school and raves and needs to visit her parent's house and other young people stuff.
So I think the obvious, most efficient way to do this is to find a couple of girls like this, where you have an ongoing mistress like relationship and see them several times a week (for a payment appropriate for local prices). You need at least 2 girls because of the flakiness of Ukrainian women. Get mutually tested so you can stop bothering with condoms. (I know, not foolproof, if you are really worried about it you can go on PreP).
I have also fucked a few of the apartment brothel girls. The way you find these brothels is there are touts who will take you to them around the Arena City entrance, the one by Vapianos. Try after 11 pm, guarantee you will find several.
I will observe that there are several price points for the brothels, but the price has little to do with what you will get. The 4 k UAH one I went to tonight, and it had one fat girl and one thick girl. I then went to a 2600 UAH place, and fucked the skinniest girl they had. She cheated me out of the rest of the hour, once I finished in 20 minutes she put her clothes back on. The 2100 UAH place, one that is near Mama Manana on the top floor is the actually efficient business. It has far more girls, they do lineups in lingerie so you can consistently pick the ones with the best bodies, and nearly all the girls will stay the full hour. Some do extra things like BBBJs and stripper slides and DFK, though most won't.
Naturally the most expensive places have zero traffic, you don't even see how they stay in business. Ukrainians seem to have a different (and incorrect) theory of economics.
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12-27-19 18:30 #20279
Posts: 124Salons
Since goldenpantheras' shooting down by police, I was looking online for some other salon.
I'd like to know if someone of these gentlemen never tried them.
Starting from Flirt club (club-flirt.com) near Maidan I suppose. From 1200 to 1600/ h.
Another one is hot-kiss. Club. It seems not bad 1600-2000 gvna/h
Last one Apelsin t. Me / ApelsinGirls they start from 800, if you dare.
Does anybody know something about them?
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12-27-19 16:46 #20278
Posts: 124Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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12-27-19 01:05 #20277
Posts: 114Originally Posted by Tits_Lover [View Original Post]
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12-27-19 00:52 #20276
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
I think many older guys who monger are looking to finally experience the type of ideal girlfriend (beautiful, always friendly and sexually available) that they wanted when they were younger....
I don't see a problem, in itself, in marrying an ex-prostitute. Problem with me and my current Kyiv regular is the 30 year age difference. I'm at a point where I like being alone most of the time, so am pretty much unfit for marrying any woman, but especially unfit for someone who has her whole life ahead. I'm actually happy that she sees other men and never contacts me when I'm gone. Gives me the freedom to go off bicycling by myself in the desert like I'm doing now. When I come to Kyiv, she shows up reliably, is perfectly behaved for the several hours we are together, then reliably disappears. Like the girl in that television show "I Dream of Jeannie", who lived in a bottle until her master summoned her, then was supposed to shrink and go back into the bottle when master wanted that. Except Jeannie / Genie in that show was often troublesome (refused to go back into her bottle when so commanded, for example).
I'm planning on keeping my rental girlfriend indefinitely. But I'm aware that a girl so much younger might fall in love with a man closer to her age, or decide to have children, or otherwise disappear from my life at any time. So I prepare myself mentally for eventually having to seek a replacement. If she reaches age 40 (12 years from now), without marrying someone else, her book value might be close to zero in most men's eyes, but I might still find her attractive, based on having known her since she was much younger, so I might continuing seeing her until my own wheels fall off (sex no longer interests me) and handicapped spot is exactly what I'll be needing.
I used to imagine that I want a dedicated high quality rental GF next to me for a long time. For multiple weeks. Then empirically I realized 2-3 days is a max. Freshness wears out, her orgasms become less artistic, and I feel the need for an "inlay" of hourly girls here and there while my long-term is away for finals at her University or is at beauty salon for a few hours.
I went further and over the last 2 years understood that the best modus operandi for myself is keeping a dynamic Harem of 3 to 5 readily available and well tested rental girlfriends. Some of them come for 2-3 days, some for 4-8 hours. The key must be their willingness to arive on a short notice, and to leave when asked to. Usually it is a time of arrival and departure agreed upon beforehand. Sometimes sudden change of plans forces me to ask the current attendant to leave sooner, for example due to unexpected meeting request from the girl whose priority is higher. In Kiev I certainly value how trustworthy girls leave without too many questions. Of course I do it in a respectful manner, occasionally providing better transportation with my personal driver and such. I certainly value their manners and attitude, yet still I work on seeking candidates to replenish the above Harem, as girls get married, move back home, graduate from University, change attitude, ask for more money than they are worth in my opinion.
I certainly have no illusions about them being dedicated strictly to me and no one else.
In my case it is many interlapping girls, indirectly competing for my time. That leads to occasional scheduling conflicts, and that is part of entertainment.
In yours, Kozerog, it is a firmly formulated personal choice of having one trusted girl. Makes it much easier in many respects.