Kyiv

[Vegamars]

Let me make it clear one more time that there are a lot of regular girls hanging out for fun in River Palace,especially in the restaurant and casino.This is not out of observation but rather that I know a lot of girls and talk to them about it.There are also some girls who hate to go to River Palace just because every foreign man out there thinks he can do what he likes with every girl just with money.Most of the time these are the best looking girls you'll see around and it's quite possible to approach them if you know how to play the cards.
In contrast to the general belief the proportion of pros in Ukraine is not more than any other country.
The quality of paid sex is quite high,just as it is in Northern Cyprus and Istanbul,but the best condition of quality versus price is Northern Cyprus,where you'll find best Ukrainians and Moldovans if you're determined enough.
What makes Kiev so special and exciting in contrast to all other places in the world is something difficult to describe but rather to live-- that anything's possible without any limits- no end.. always a new adventure that attracts...

[Pupsnu]

US Dollars are very accepted. VERY! Although some places are starting to use Euro because of the exchange rate, dollars are still the currency of choice.

If you want a great overnight girl (although more pricey), use
http://www.starsfromheaven.co.uk/

All girls are pro, and cost $300-400/night, but their reviews are simply wonderful

[Zergut]

Hedonist,

Moda Bar is $20Hyr for the door. I haven't gone to River Palace in a while but, I think that the price is still 20Hyr for the door. Food is more expensive at Modobar but, maybe because I was mostly ordering fresh fruits. My bill usually run around $90 USD for dinner at either place for 4 people.

If you want cheap and can speak Russian, I would suggest the potato house near maidan. This is a good spot for the local girls. Another good place would be the Sport Bar on one of the side street off from Krashetuk or the coffe shops under Maidan. You could even ask the waitress out.

If you do not speak Russian, I would get a guide or find a local monger who does to help you with translation. SMS is a big thing there. Around 11PM there even is a local chanel on TV with SMS log messages scrolling on screen. If you can read Russian you can call some of the non-pro on the list. I forgot the station but, there are only a few station in Kiev anyway.

The rate for the girls in Modobar is around $150 for the 8-10 range and $80-100 for the 6-7 range. Sometimes you can spot a group of girls sitting upstairs. Ask the waiter if they are working girls. If they are not, send them a bottle of Champange for 100Hyr then head over there to talk to them. You might be able to get one for free.

Girls in River Palace are all working girls. I have not met one there that are non working. The rate are usually $100 for the night. Get a table from the hostess. If you see a girl you like, wave her over and ask her how much. My friend tells me that my pick up are horrible. He would usually chat them up a bit before asking how much. I would just head straight for the kill and ask them how much, are they good, do they swallow, etc... If the girl act surprise, I would tell them this is normal is the US. They will believe anything because the only thing thay have to measure is MTV. At both of these places, there are dance floors but, I usually don't join in. I don't want to waste time dancing when I can check the girls.

At modobar you will have to bribe the waiter to get a good table. You don't have to at River Palace. Remember to bring tons of small bills since the bar tender at both places are a bit slow at giving you back your changes.

TK:

I would not stay in a hotel but, that is my preference. An apartment is girl friendlier. If I will only be there a couple of days, I would stay near Maidan and I would get a cell phone. I would head to most of the strip clubs around maidan, most open 24 hours. Then I would head to River Palace if I don't see anything I like at the clubs. I would suggest to you the same thing to Hedonist, that you find someone local. Maybe even a taxi driver from the airport who speak good english and have them help set up some girls for the night. Have them SMS you once they found someone. Pay them 10 or 20Hyr for the service even if you don't get a girl from them. Kiev is very USD friendly. Make sure you bring new, non torned bills. You can always change for Hyr when you get there. Local people change to/from USD all the time so, most of the time you are not even asked to show your passport. Be careful of the police around Maidan. They will usually ask you for a bribe late at night. If you don't want to pay, just pretend to not understand and make a show of calling the US embassy or your local embassy on your cell phone.

Hope that helps.

Z

[Hedonist]

What is average going rate in places like Moda Bar, River Palace etc...

Vegamars: This question is for you if you are reading. How would you compare Kiev to Istanbul or Cyprus in terms of prices and quality?

[TheKnight]

If one was to be working in Kyiv for just a couple of days, with only a couple of hours free in the evenings, what sort of itinerary would you recommend? I enjoy a good strip club (as long as one doesn't get ripped off) and then selecting a beautiful girl for nocturnal pleasures!

Are the hotels generally girl-friendly, or is it security inquest time, and bribes to doormen? I am thinking of staying in either Natsionalny Hotel, or Hotel Dnipr.

And finally yet another question - are US Dollars widely accepted?

[River Palace]

I've been reading this forum for a year or so, and have decided its time I started contributing information. I was last in the Ukraine at the end of February, where I visited many of the establishments that have been reviewed in this forum. I would say overall, the only city that can compare with Kiev for pro-sex, is Prague, however Kiev is a lot more economical.

What I think Kiev has got over places like Prague, Tallinn, Moscow and Istanbul, is that the place is far more unspoilt, in that hookers will enjoy speaking and spending time with you, as they have a genuine fascination for the west. You’ll find yourself talking about the most ridiculous things with these girls. As there exposure to western culture is limited to things such as Vogue, MTV and Hollywood Films. Many of these girls, unlike anywhere else that I have been too, will given the opportunity like to have some sort of a relationship with you.

This does sound ridiculous, as I’m sure that most of you are very cynical about working girls and what they tell you, but I assure you that it is true. If you go to places like 111 and Moda Bar, the girls do not consider themselves as Prostitutes, even though a considerable percentage of them will accept money for sex. The difference between paid and non-paid sex is perhaps more grey here than in any other country that I have visited.

Even in a club like River Palace, my personal recommendation for mongering in Kiev, many of the girls are semi-pro. What is so simple about the river palace is that every single girl in the club is working. So if you arrive in the club quite late, after a day working or entertaining clients, you do not have to waste time putting your toe in the water before asking how much they charge. So long as you have $100 in you pocket you can convince 90% of the girls in the club to return to you apartment within 2 minutes of speaking to them. Yes most of them will initially ask for $150 or $200, but very few of them will risk going home empty handed to spend more than a minute or two bargaining with you until agreeing to your offer. Many of them if you are relatively attractive and are able to charm them a bit, will agree to spend the night with you for $60 or $80.

Apart from the River Palace there are various other clubs in the city, which have a number of working girls present. In fact you would do well to find a club which does not have at least one working girl. Perhaps Moda Bar is the only one that can be described as full of Hookers, and works in a very similar way as the River Palace although there are a considerable number of girls who are not working, but are there instead to find a wealthy boyfriend. Is there a difference? Who knows?

Aside from that the scene consists of various escort agencies that charge $100 for 2 hours, for what at best is a variable product. There are also various strip/sex clubs, Restown being the most well known that offer a very professional kind of escort for $50 - $120 per hour.

[Zergut]

This is Vika from Modobar.

[Zergut]

This is Erica.

[Zergut]

Photos as promised. This is my tour guide Natasha.

[Hedonist]

zergut:

Very nice report, thanks a lot! It is hilarious that you did your translator Kiev seems more expensive than Moscow based on your report. I'm especially curious about your Kharkov experiences...

[AZN Monger]

Zergut,

You got to do your guide too?

Talk about fantasy land. ARGH! I need to get here. Plenty of cash to burn.

I just have moral issues. Got a girlfriend recently.. feel bad if I actually pull all the way through with it. Someone convince me that international sex does not count!

[Pupsnu]

All,

I was wondering if anyone can help me with websites or any other resources that would help me find a job in Kiev (I am from US). I know this is way off the topic, but I figured there are few expats here.

Thank you

[TheGuyFromNY]

Peter,

I am a big fan of Resttown but would certainly like to hear about any similar places. Can you share a few ?

Thanks

[Zergut]

After my trip to Moscow, I had very low expectation for Kiev.

I got in to Kiev around noon Tuesday. I did not speak Russian so, I decided to use the service of vipgateway.com to hook me up.

When I got to Kiev, I was glad that I had someone waiting to pick me up. The taxi scalpers where fierce here.

I had been in Kiev before but, I had only been to Rest Town and River Palace. I did not like either of those places. The waitresses looked better than the dancers in Rest Town. There were way too many pros in River Palace.

This time I wanted a personal guide to help me with finding the non-pro girls. When I got off the plane, I was greeted with a very nice looking girl. Her name was Natasha and she spoke excellent English. In my reservation, I had specified that I wanted a nice apartment near maidan and that the purpose of my trip was to find girls.

Since I state this ahead of time, I was not embarrassed to tell Natashia that I want to find a girl to come to my apartment. I was restless from the flight. She asked me if I wanted her to call her friends. I told her that I prefer to get one off the street on the way from the airport. She told me that most of the girls are still in school and I should wait until 3PM to find one. It was 2:10PM so, I told her that I can wait. A good place to wait is in the new Internet Cafee inside the airport. It cost around 20Hyg for an hour. At 3PM I went with Natasha in her taxi and we drove around a couple of areas. One looked like a truck stop/rest area and the other is around a bunch of residential high rise apartment. There were many girls standing by the side of the road with their school bag waiting to be picked up. Most were asking for $350 to $400Hyg which is around $70 to $80USD.

After 40min of looking, I found one that was very cute for $350Hyg. By the time we got to the apartment, it was 5PM. At the airport, I was given a cell phone with an English speaking concierge person phone program in. I was told by Natasha that someone else will be my guide the next time I call because she has something to do.

Normally I would have been disappointed because I paid $70USD for only 3 hours. But, when I saw the girl without her clothes on I forgot all about it. The girl name was Luda and speak very little English but, she was very willing. I had her every which way but, she would not do anal. An extra $20USD changed her mind. I went at it for the entire 3 hours.

When I ran out of steam, I would rest and had her blow me until I got my wind back. I had to let her go at 8PM. She gave me her cell phone number and I promised to call her again. I was exhaused from lack of sleep for the last couple of days and I crashed. I did not wake up until 1AM. I was hungry. I call the vip service and told the concierge that I want to get something to eat.

About 15min later a car arrived. I wanted a salad and a girl but, the driver did not speak English so I could not tell him anything. I called the concierge again and told him what I wanted. He recommended a place called modobar and he told the driver to take me there. Modobar was pretty nice. It is part of a chinese restaurant Mandarin inside of a boat. I heard that the restaurant is good but, it is closed.

The door price for modobar was 20Hyg. There were many empty tables on the second floor but, they were all reserved. I had to bribe the waiter $100Hyg for a table. The music was good, the fashion show was not. There were not as many girls at the bar as River Palace but, the girls were nicer looking. I had my salad while checking out the girls at the bars. One girl was really nice looking with her hair braided in strands. I ask the waiter to ask her to come up to sit with me. She speak decent English but, she wanted $150 for the night. I could not get her to go down to $100 so, I told her that I'll think about it. I keep looking but, did not see anyone else that I like and it was getting late. I decided to go home with her. I called my concierge to send me a taxi. We got back to my apartment and I found out that she was 20 years old and her name is Vika. She want me to take a shower when we got home.

I told her that I want her to scrub my back. After playing around a bit in the tub, she relaxed. She was fun in bed. I was pumping away at her at all possitions for 2 hours and still cannot release. So she went BBBJ for about 30min until I complete then she ran to the bathroom to spit. I wanted to sleep then and there but, she insisted on smoking. Why do all Russian girls smoke like a smokestack. I felt asleep with her wrapping herself around me like a python for heat.

I let her go at 7AM because she had to work early. I did not ask her for her phone number because she was a bit expensive and not really my type. I went for some breakfast at the Sport Bar and found a really cute waitress there. I wanted to ask her out but, she did not understand English. I had to call my concierge to translate over the phone. She gave me her number but, told me that it does not do much good because she cannot speak English.

Suspecting that this might be the case everywhere, I booked a translator for 4 hours to help me with the non-pros. My translator was Natasha again. She told me that we can walk around the shops under Maidan and on Kursatuk and if I see someone I like, she would approach the girl for me. This is the first time I have this kind of service so, I want to try for the girls off the street. The first three I wanted was all negative. Natasha told me that those three have boyfriends and they did not need the cash.

We walked some more but, it was getting cold. So, we decided to head under Maidan to the shops. We went to a cofee shop and I saw a very pretty girl sitting by herself. Natasha noticed this and walked me over there to sit. It turned out the girl name is Marina and that she speak great English. We talked for a while and Marina told me that she cannot see me that day but, she can the next day. I got her number and left. At this point, I am still without a date for the night. I was tired of the search so, I told Natasha to get me a girl.

She made some phone calls and told me that she will bring two girls around to my apartments at 10PM so I can pick. I told her that I wanted to visit some of the bazzaar until then. We took taxi to a bazaar selling tourist stuffs. I bought some of the stacking dolls and a russian cossack hat. It was nice that she did all the negotiation for me in Russian. She told me that I still got scalped because the bazzaar is a tourist trap but, it could have been worst.

I wanted some local food so, we went to a Ukrainian restaurant. After we fished, I noticed that I did not have much cash left. I was told that I can get cash on account from the concierge guy and that it would be charged to my credit card. This is even better for me since I get mileage on the card.

At 10PM I did not see any of the girls coming to my apartment so, I called Natasha. She told me that she is still looking and to wait. It was not until 1Am that the girls showed up. I went down to look and knew that I had to have both of the girls. I paid $300 for both and took them inside. The brunette is Erica and the blond is Natasha. Both were my type. We talked a little bit, and I had them stripped. They showered alone then came back to bed. I started to pushed them together but, they complained that they were not lesbians.

I told keep on insisting and eventually they gave in. The only problem was neither would do BBBJ. This frustrated me greatly. Later, I found out that the girls were sisters. I did not expect this since they have different hair colors and the do not resemble each other. This was a first for me. I think that if I had the younger brunett alone, I can get away with more but, with her older sister around, everything was nee hachu. We played until 5AM and they wanted me to get some food. I wanted pizza but, they wanted fish.

They told me that there is a grocery store nearby that open 24hr. So, I called for my taxi and we went shopping. I got them the fish but, they looked nasty so, I got myself some Ukrainian salad, meat and bread instead. After we finished the food, it was 7AM but, I could not sleep. So, we stayed up cuddling and watching TV then they left at 8AM. My guide came by later to see how I like the girls. We talked for a while and I found out that they have a VIP service in Kharkov. I read on wsg that kharkov is a nice place to go so, I told her that I want to spend the rest of my time there.

She took me to Ukrainian Air, AVIA AIR, for a ticket to Kharkov. It was around $100 round trip. I wanted to leave the next day so that I have some time to pack. At this point, for some reason, I wanted Natasha, my guide. Maybe because of her English or because I see her so often. So, I told her and she accept for $100/night. She was not great but, made up for it by being able to speak English. I forgot how fun it was to lay in bed and chat before and after sex. I felt asleep and almost did not wake up for the flight but, Natasha woke me and even packed for me.

She took me to the airport for Kharkov. She told me that my cell phone will still work in Kharkov since I am using the UMC network. My flight was at 7AM and as I board the plan, I noticed that it was a propella plane and that de-icing the plane is a major ordeal. Eventually the plane took off and I arrived in Kharkov. But, I will post the last leg of my travel to Kharkov in that section.

[Peter NL]

Hi All,

Complete new in this forum, but living already long time in Ukraine, and since 1 year permanently in Kiev.

I agree all the good opinions about Resttown. Absolute one of my favourites. But there are still many other places with the same fun for less price, even some regular bars nowadays!

Anyone like to join partyevening once?