Kyiv

[Hot Gianni]

Dating ‘good time girls’ in Ukraine:

One of you guys made an interesting report on hooking with girls dated from an agency. Are there any local agencies and if so, any help on names, addresses or telephone numbers?. There are plenty of agencies on the web, but they look a bit fishy in asking automatically renewal payments by credit cards. Also, most of the girls are for ‘long time’ sort of stuff.

I am trying to find ‘good time’ ladies from agencies that can be contacted personally when in Kiev. Any help?

Thank you all.

[KiwiG]

Hi Guys,

How easy is it to pick up nice normal girls (non-pro's) on the street, or in bars/clubs, say compared with London or Chicago?

Im 30 yo. and thinking about coming to Kiev for a week of fun.

Is just being a Westerner enough to get hot girls interested in you, or do you really have to have good 'pick-up' skills and good looks to suceed?

[City Angel]

To Lose it Here,

Which marriage agency did you use?

All the ones I have looked at look like they require translated letters and that sort of thing.

Are there any agencies in Kiev where you can just turn up and ask them to organise dates for you?

Thanks,

City Angel

[Zergut]

Anyone in Kiev Nov13-23rd?

I am planning my 1st trip to Kiev and was wondering if anyone will be around during the above time. I would love to get some local pointers.

I hope the girls are still friendly and that it is not too cold during that time.

Thanks!

[Doggus]

Rastaman,

Sounds like you like the same scandy type girls as me. I'm considering going to Bulgaria next summer. Apparently many scandy girls flock there (Sunny Beach / Golden Sands) May onwards on vacation.

I hear many of them like guys with darker features (both black guys and guys with southern euro looks :-)

Bring it on!

Doggus

[Vegamars]

Unlike the general belief and misunderstanding, there's not so much difference in Russian and Ukrainian economy and besides the economy in Ukraine is developing much more rapidly at the moment. The average income in Russia is higher, but especially Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in Europe and it's at least two times more expensive than Kiev for instance just to reflect a vision of comparison.
That's why it's very likely to find more working girls from Russia in other countries than from Moldova and Ukraine and Russian girls can travel just as easily as Ukrainians. I've met so many girls from Moscow and St.Petersburg in many places in Europe including Istanbul and Cyprus!
The standards of the smaller cities in Ukraine and the larger cities are quite different. There are so many famous and worldwide fashion agencies in Kiev,Kharkov,Odessa and Dniepropetrovsk that many models have the chance of traveling in Europe and worldwide and earning at least $300-400 per day in fashion business.

[Arbat]

Vegamars:

I read some of your reports and I can't understand how you can talk about Kiev as one of the most important fashion centers in the world and about Ukrainian and Russian women generalising in this way.

I believe it's almost impossible to find a girl from Moscow working abroad along a street. Why? Because she gets more at home! At the contrary, that was much more possible 10 years ago, when in Russia there was much less money.

Moscow is full of SW from Ukraine. Turkey is full of WG from Ukraine. Italy, Switzerland, Germany: plenty of Ukrainians. It's simple: for them is a little bit easier to go to these countries than for Russian girls. It's more or less just a matter of money and return on investments (price of the ticket, easiness of trip, bureaucratical difficulties and so on).

But I'm talking about the lower part of the meet market. I'm talking about girls who earn maybe 30 to 70$ per night, SW or working in some clubs or strip joints.

There are girls (beautiful, lucky and, more than that, smart) who can easily make 5000$ and more per month in Hong Kong, UAE, Tokio, Shanghai. They can be not only Russian, Ukrainian, Czeck, Moldovan, but also Swedish, Dutch, American. In that case, origin is not so important. But you don't meet them in mongerng places...

Please let me have your comment.

[MarkABC]

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[LukeSkyWanker]

Hi all, I have never visited Ukraine before but I am considering a trip before Christmas, The reason being I have some airmiles which expire the end of this year and I want to use them up.

I am a UK resident do I need a Visa to visit? the trip would only be for a long weekend can anybody offer any info Cheers all.

[Worldtrav0099]

Vegamars:

Yes, I agree -- Russia is #1 exporter and Ukraine is #2. On a per capita basis, Ukraine though is #1.

That said, many of the women that I know in Canada who are working in the sex trade are from Kiev rather than the provinces.

I guess that it goes to show that you cannot generalize.

If these ladies here are any indication of what is like in Kiev, I am going much sooner than later. Ukranian women are hot and love sex!!

[Lose it Here]

i was in kiev in june. i am not black, but i can tell you that the professionals did not care about race. they just cared about the money. however, i can tell you that many of the nonprofessional girls seem to have a good deal of prejudice towards black guys. i met a lady who ran a marriage agency in kiev. she told me that even many of the "good time" girls ask her if a man is black before they meet them. they will reject the invitation if he is black. there are others though i am sure who don't care.

i ended up hooking up with 5 local girls in 11 days in kiev by using the marriage agency. i just set up dates throughout the day and night. two of the girls made me wait until the second night to screw them, but with much persistance on my part they gave in to me. two other girls i hooked up with the first night i met them. i was supposed to be meeting with one girl, but she was with a friend who happened to speak english. "did i mind her coming along as well". i said no and was rewarded by an evening of dancing and clubbing with two beautiful girls only 22 years old. i ended up hooking up with both of them that night. the fifth girl i actually felt bad about hooking up with. she was the sweetest 18 year old. her personality was very sweet and she had just a rock of a body. it took me three whole days to get anywhere with her, but i had success at last. i felt really bad though because she told me that two years before she had been raped, but apart from him i was the only person she had been with. i felt like a jerk, but it was a fun and eventful trip.

the other point i would like to make is i do not speak russian at all. i brought a very good electronic translator which i was able to use to communicate everything i needed to.

i rented a nice apartment walking distance from kruschyatk (or however it is spelled) for $40/night.

i used a escort service (don't remember the names). the going rate seemed to be about $50/hour and $150/night. i was not disappointed once with these girls. no kissing, but they allowed everything else. one girl about 5'6 tight body, c cup asked me for alcohol, chugged a lot down and then screwed me senseless. another really hot blonde 5'3 firm b cups got into it and had multiple orgasms herself. she was not faking it because she came all over me. i was shocked at the quality of the service for the price, especially coming from the usa where it is so difficult to find quality.

hope this helps someone and encourages you all to not just think about visiting kiev, but do it!

you won't regret it.

[Vegamars]

I haven't seen so many black guys in Kiev, but only occasionally! Ukrainians have quite a mixed culture and you can see all kinds of people there with so many different types of looks. That's why you don't encounter so many blond guys like in Russia. People don't care about how you look and besides even if you were an average westerner with black hair and brown eyes, you might see a girl approaching you with some words in Russian cause she could easily think that you're Ukrainian! In my opinion most girls would be interested in meeting a black guy since it's quite rare and different for them, so this surely gives another motivation for feeling comfortable for wandering as a black guy in Kiev?!!

[Vegamars]

Unlike the general belief Russia is the no one country in the world in terms of exporting women to the sex industry in the world. Those going from Ukraine are mainly from the countryside and the smaller cities like the ones in Crimea or like Odessa and Lugansk. It's almost impossible to find a girl from the larger cities and especially Kiev in any other country. Kiev is one of the most important fashion centers in the world and it's not difficult to figure out that you would never come across so many stunning models in any other city!?! This is what makes Kiev so special and interesting for me. You could see them everywhere on the streets, in the cafes and restaurants and mostly in popular clubs like Club111 and Mandarin. I've got many model girlfriends out there and I can tell you from my experiences that it's not so easy to persuade them just with money cause most of them already make good money in their job, especially when they have the chance to travel to other countries in Europe and the world for fashion shows and business. Rather it's much more effective to act in a natural and decent way to serve for the excitement and adventure that these model girls are looking for. Besides your odds of success will be high since you'll see them in large groups of model girls.

Hope to meet you there again by early November folks!

[Worldtrav0099]

Vegamars:

You are obviously an experiened and knowledgeable observer of the scene in the Ukraine. From what you have said, girls are easy to find and beautiful.

Your most recent post says that girls love it at home and find traveling to other places to be boring and dull.

And yet, if you look at the official statistics, the Ukraine is one of the biggest exporters of women into the global sex trade.

Somehow I am having trouble reconciling your statements with the official reality. Help me to understand please.

Just curious.

[MarkABC]

Vegamars, went several times to Moda bar and River Palace during my last stay in Kiev. Found there many pretty girls available for 100 USD...I'm planning a new trip early november and would like to give a try to some other places in addition to Moda bar and River Palace. During my last stay I was told that Opium, Club 111, Fusion, Tato bar... are also filled by model type girls ready to make some $$$ Is it also your experience ??? Thanks. Mark.