Kyiv

[TjMax]

Great Info VM!!!!

Great advice on the Universities… The key seems to be proximity to the café/club culture that the girls LIVE… Sharp Dress, Sharp Smile, Sharp Apartment and a fun attitude…

Wow the prices for apartments have changed in a few years… My last trip to the area (Crimea) I paid $150/mo for a great two room apartment on a quiet street 1 block from the social center of town… A friend rented a three bedroom apartment because it was the only one available and ended up having his girl move in with two of her best friends… Her friends lived about 30min by bus from the social center and those buses stopped running every evening at 11pm… So they were VERY happy to have a place to crash where they could stay out and have a good time until 1 or 2am…

Any deals like that in the university social center of Kiev?

I may be looking for a 2 month lease where I would be in town for 6 of those weeks… One with a clean shot at a wireless internet café would be the best of all worlds…

Like I said I have a lot of homework to do… Just want to do it in an environment away from all the usual distractions…

-Max

[TheGuyFromNY]

I was just in Kiev and Resttowns phone did not appear to be working. I was just wondering if anyone knows if it is open. If not, is there a similar place anywhere?

Thanks.

[Vegamars]

As I've tried to explain many times before, Ukraine is a unique place on many aspects, much different from even Russia and certainly more western European countries like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania where people and girls are richer but lack the warm hearts and the easy-going communication!

In addition to all the positive aspects, the most beautiful nature with all the forests, rivers and beaches you can find is right there in Ukraine. Especially the nature is fascinating in the spring and the summer. You can live the nature even right in the middle of the big cities, but you can get much more essence if you take a short drive outside the center in any direction, you come across real stunning beauty. It's a very good idea to travel between cities by taxi. You can easily rent a BMW with the driver for about $100 for a 5 hr drive between Odessa and Kiev for instance if you're good at bargaining. There are no mountains in Ukraine, but you can still ski to some extent at certain places like right outside Kiev.

As for the education system in universities, it's a very very flexible and unique system of a min. of 5 years. Attandence is not obligatory and the class hours are also flexible including Saturdays. You'll not see any girls attending the classes, especially the most beautiful ones. I've met so many university girls in Ukraine, but none of them were going to school except for the exams ajust a few times a year. You can find them not in the universities, but in cafes, bars and discos around the universities!
Once you get in touch with just one hot girl, then you'll automatically get to know many girlfriends of her more than you can even imagine. By the way here friendship between girls is a very important aspect in their lives and it's a very strong relationship that might seem peculiar to many but what I think is a very strong point that makes life even more enjoyable for me out there. I must warn you that all these hot girls are also very clever and cultivated, so you must have a certain level of knowledge about life to get going for a conversation.

You can easily rent an apartment for a max of $ 80-100 per day right in the center of Kiev for instance, in the historical Krishetuk street or a relatively newer place Padole, which is like Pigale in Paris but definitely much more amazing and located just across Kreshetuk, or in a new and popular location like Pitchersk.

But believe me it's not interesting to live in an apartment unless you're not together with at least 4-5 girls! So, in that case I would recommend a hotel. There's just one 5-star hotel in Kiev, namely Premier-Palace, but it's quite expensive and the service is not so good, so I would recommend the 4-star Dnipro Hotel on Kreshetuk street just in the center and the heart of the city. The prices are reaosonable and the service is excellent. I've never come across such service in any other country even in some best hotels in other cities.

Hope to see you out there very soon folks! Don't leave me alone?!

[Tiger888]

it sounds like you should head to tallinn in estonia:

- awesome summer, sun only goes down for 3 hrs - great beaches too
- v good x country skiing - only 2 hrs away from tallinn
- not too expensive to get an apartment there in the middle of one of the most beautiful old towns in europe
- plenty of socialising to be had (esp wed thru sat nights)
- adsl in apartment - 25US/mo, unlimited d/l no connection probs
- wifi in all cafes - most are free to use (others charge $0.50 for 24hrs access)
- english widely spoken ... plenty of personal assistants around
- some of the hotest women in the world (no shit)
- most willings to have lots of fun.
- not much crime there at all
- for a sneak preview, check out www.rate.ee or http://www.uno.ee/fotoline
- plenty of short term, cheap hired help available as well.

- can't recommend the place highly enough

tiger.

[TjMax]

Thanks in advance for all the Useful information you guys have posted here…

I was in the Crimea & Odesa a few years back and agree that it is a great area in the summer...

How is the cross country skiing and snowmobiling in the winter?
I am no shrinking lily about winter sports as long as I do not have to spend hours getting back and forth too them..

I think I could afford a reasonable flat in the city and a small dacha in the country for weekends...

The question is what cities would maximize my social options during the week while maximizing my opportunities for winter fun on the weekends... I would prefer if the rural city for winter fun was connected conveniently by train and car.

I have an enormous amount of home based work I can do anywhere I can get a reasonable internet connection and cellular service. But I do need to get out of the house regularly so I do not go crazy… e.g. internet café’s, dancing, museums….

My flat in London had a straight wireless shot at a wireless internet hotspot at a local internet café… $20/mo all the internet I could eat… Something like that would be great if it exists…

So my total optimal solution would be a totally awesome live-in Personal Assistant that speaks reasonable English, Great glass ia always half full attitude, has a Ukrainian driver’s license (I have an international one as well), loves outdoor as well as indoor fun, has her weekends free to explore the countryside, and a reasonable amount of time during the week to show me the best her city has to offer…

Sorry, that sounded like an Advertisement… But in essence that is exactly what it will end up being… I am just trying to figure out how much of that is a reasonable expectation and it what cities…

P.S. how flexible are the Girls University schedules? Is it like here in the US where they have sporadic classes throughout the week or do they go 8hrs a day 5 days a week?

Thanks,

-Max

[Vegamars]

The number one city in terms of universities is of course Kiev, there are at least 50-60 universities and most of them atre located right in the center. There are almost no girls in Ukraine who don't go to university at all and they hang out there from early September till mid June! The other good cities on this basis are Dniepropetrovsk on the east, Kharkov, Donetsk, Lvov on the west and Odessa on the south though it's a very small city of 200000. During the summer the university girls travel to the Crimea region on the south or to other locations outside the country like Tunisia, Egypt and mostly to Antalya in Turkey!

I find the weather great throughout the year since I've been to Ukraine many many times at all seasons, but if you're not used to cold, it really sucks to walk out between November and March, but I can tell you that compared to Russia and Belarus the climate and the nature are much more attractive and praiseworty!

What's more important is that all cities of Ukraine are much much safer than Russia and all the other countries of Europe. You can walk out at any time of night and go anywhere you like including the metro without any worries 24 hrs a day, which is not the usual case even in places like Paris, Milano, Rome or Barcelona.

Russia is much much more dangerous and even in Moscow with so many policemen hanging around (It's very very rare to see any policemen hanging around in Ukraine!) if you're not a native speaker of speaker of Russian, you can never feel comfortable!!

[TjMax]

Planning a trip to get lost in the arms of a ukrainian woman and could use some help with a few major items.

1) What is the best time of year if you want to focus on university girls? I have seen posts that say the best time is the off season for travelors... That is when it is the easiest to Get a REAL Girlfriend... Many awsome cuties that just need a place to hang their hat, some spending money and someone to take them out for some fun...

2) In Which Cities are you most likly to find what I described in #1?

3) What is the weather like? I have heard that the seasons vary widely fron one major city to another... I am very active outdoors and I am not sure I am ready to hybernate all winter no mater how warm the bed is...

-Max

[Wanderer1000]

Michael,

Glad to see you back. I was beginning to wonder if all the stories I've heard through the years about the "backroads" of Russia and Ukraine being dangerous had something to it.

I'm in the third week of my Russian class at a community college, and I'm hoping to have enough language to go off the beaten path next summer. My instructor is from Kharkov. I don't know if she has a bias, but when I talked to her about my travel plans in the future, she felt that the Ukraine would be a little safer for independent travelling.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to more details of your trip in the less travelled areas of Ukraine. Any comments about the language issue while travelling would be helpful. Thanks.

[Hedonist]

Michael Gage:

At some point I thought that you run into trouble, good to hear you are still kicking. It would be nice if you could post a comprehensive report on Ukraine if you had the time. I know I'm being faceless here but there's not much info on Ukraine out there and we are kind of in a "you are the man" situation here.

[MichaelGage]

I'm back guys, sorry for the drop out. Unavoidable. All my email was flushed too, from a new spam effort. Hope you can resend.

MG

[Vegamars]

You are totally beyond the real essence of the topic. I've been to almost every country ( take a look at Turkey and Cyprus sections) with the right choices, but nothing compares to living in the air with a real real Ukrainian girlfriend who would make you feel in paradise. This has nothing to do with richness cause real richness is in the mind and the heart!

The *****s on the streets have nothing to do with the scene. You can see streetgirls everywhere in the world, in Russia, Italy, France, even hundreds of them at daytime right in the middle of New York or Hollywood in L.A.

By the way, all Ukrainians especially in big cities except Lvov on the west speak Russian cause Ukrainian belongs to countryside and besides there are so many different dialects of it!

A small hint, never ever try to speak Ukrainian to a young lady! So, you can start by saying ya lyublyu tebye ochin silna!

[Doctor_Skank]

Vegamars,

I agree on a lot you have to say about the Ukraine, it is a great place and Ukrainians and Russians aren't the same.

However Russians aren't as cold as ice...or maybe you've just met the wrong ones? Or I met the right ones? Russians (at least in Moscow) also live 24-7 and if you meet "real" Russians and are not restricted to dealing with burned out prostitutes or snobby elite new Russians you'll likely experience a similar reception as in the Ukraine. At least that is my experience.

The key is getting beyond normal expat circles and tapping the real culture. Learn the language, at least Russian, and you'll do 100 times better than you did before.

And the Ukraine is not a richer country than Russia, the streets of Moscow and the bordellos of the world are filled with Ukrainian girls who aren't working because they love it, but rather because their country is dirt poor and they can't get any other kind of decent work.

Bad for them, good for guys looking for Slavic women.

[Member #4369]

Pacific,

Dude, sorry, but you are way, way off with that exchange rate statement below...

Its the cost of living vs. the average salary, converted to a hard currency, that will roughly let you compare places...

Your formula says that

Moldova with ~14.00 LEI to the dollar

has a better economy than Japan, with ~110 yen to the dollar

The price of a street blowjob by the loop road of a major city is a good comparative indicator....


RP

[Pacific Creek]

Vegamars,

I was curious if you think I have been posting wrong info. I think Ukraine I have in mind is the one you have in mind.

The people there are definitely warm and outgoing. I have seen the difference between the russian ladies I know and Anastasiya from my law class who is from Kiev.

I will admit my first hand knowledge is limited as opposed to someone who has actually been in the country but I have tried to learn as much as I can.

The official language spoken is Ukrainian but Russian is still spoken by more than half the population. Besides, that I haven't been able to find any Ukrainian language tapes. Just Russian.

I think the overall economy in Ukraine is better than in Russia. The exchange rate should give a good example.

One US Dollar gets you 30 Russian Rubles
One US Dollar gets you 5.4 Ukrainian Hryvnia

I have heard the same thing. The ladies are on the streets and in the clubs.

So, please advise me if I have been posting wrong info. I would like to know so that I can learn.

[Vegamars]

It all depends on you to be a part of this culture or not. If you act like you are in the States or west Europe or even Russia, you'll never have even the slightest chance to feel the difference and the real scene.

There are not so many places in the world where you can have this priority and this is why I think you should try here until the last possible point. All you have to do is to feel comfortable at all times and to feel totally relaxed to be right in the street action wherever you are and whatever you're doing! Remember there's no limit in what's gonna show up and what your mind can even imagine!