Kyiv

[PhotoSlider]

Photo you really have a good reputation with your provider, if you can reject so many girls. For sure you're a good customer. I did'nt understand where you order so many girls. How's the price?

They should care a lot about you if you can reject half of the girls.

I didn't reject half, only about 30%. Over the last 12 months I ordered and paid for more than 100 individual girls. Dispatchers tolerate my persistence. Not sure if I am a good customer. I do not abuse girls. Certainly not the easiest, but I definitely bring cash into the systems accounts. My rules are transparent and consistent.

There was one more category or reason for rejection: late delivery and consolidation dispatcher lying to me, or mamasan lying to dispatcher, or delivery driver lying to mamasan.

Sometimes I didn't care about delivery taking an hour, sometimes I asked consolidation dispatcher when the fresh girls start the shift, and postponed the action myself. There were also times when I asked how long would it take, and clearly stated my cut off time / deadline due to anothe commitment. Since consolidation dispatcher didn't communicate with the delivery driver directly (it was done through apartment mamasan, or yet another remote operator assigned to this specific apartment), there were the usual stories about "traffic is aweful! Downtown is stalled; I'm telling you what they tell me". Another trick works like that:

- Dispatcher tells the customer (me) to get out and meet the girls in the car.

- Some of the customers (not me) take their sweet time getting out, while clock is ticking, girls aren't getting fucked, and profit is not generated.

- To avoid this, dispatcher notifies the customer before the actual arrival, stating the car is already parked.

- I get out of my apartment, look for the car, and ask WTF?

- Dispatcher knowingly or not insists that the car has already arrived "Where are you standing?

- Then I see the car finally parks, and go for casting the troops.

There is a chain with 3 or 4 links, lies are nothing to worry about, my time is valuable though.

Often delays are because of logistics, they drop off / pick up multiple girls on the way, and do not take the shortest / fastest route. On number of occasions I cancelled the delivery in progress. Dispatcher exclaims: "The girls is only 2-3 minutes away!" I explain that this has been said 20-30 minutes ago, and that by now I plan to pay attention to my girlfriend. Time lost for everybody, their revenue lost.

I always ask for the base address (their lingo for source apartment). Few times I sent via Viber the screenshot of google maps with ETA and highlighted traffic jams along the way end to end. They do not like that. Extorting truthful info along the chain is difficult.

The above are disadvantages of outcall deliveries to my curbside. I still prefer that over incall going to an apartment on my own.

Some dispatchers were obnoxious, even questioning what kind of VIP am I, why do I demand special treatment? I explain that I am not a drunk desperate sex tourist, visiting Kiev for the first time with few days only at his disposal. At first I was afraid to be blacklisted, but do not care anymore. There are alternatives in Kiev, always! Lately I didn't mind waiting half a day or more till lazy dispatcher ends her shift. Some cancellations were blessing, as I had other activities requiring undivided attention.

To answer your questions: prices have been explained in detail in my most recent Report of Distinction. No more than 2000 UAH per hour. My sources are also quoted in couple of reports within the last month.

[Arkiloko]

It occurred to me that I rejected 14 girls, and submitted to Kozerog also 14, or exactly a half of 28 that I had. One may also say this was a trisection: 28+14=42. Bottom third has been rejected, and a top third has been reviewed

Photo you really have a good reputation with your provider, if you can reject so many girls. For sure you're a good customer. I did'nt understand where you order so many girls. How's the price?

They should care a lot about you if you can reject half of the girls.

[Arkiloko]

So what is the best way to find the apartments with several girls? From what I have heard it is by using touts at Arena City but there must be a better way. I hate touts as they are usually trying to scam you. Any suggestions, do they advertise anywhere?

Thanks.

PIT.

In a ukrainan chat I found this telegram's but don't know if it's still working http://t.me/intimmaxkiev (last post on 24 Oct.).

They talk about two apartments on Lesi Ukrainky Blvd.

0505058453 Lesi Ukrainky Blvd, 5, - 1700/ h.

0930454451 Lesi Ukrainky Blvd, 24 - 1200/ h.

Never tried them.

[PhotoSlider]

Photoslider sent photos of a selection of the girls he met his last trip. I refuse to use numeric ratings, but will instead make a few qualitative remarks:

1) All girls are in the same category as Riina's girl (which we discussed at great length in this thread), meaning girls in their young 20's, with pretty faces and slender bodies. I spend enough time in non touristy parts of Kyiv that I know what ordinary Kyiv girls aged 20-25 are like. Photoslider's and Riina's girls are the elite, not just any girl aged 20-25. Whether these are the top 1% or top 10% or merely top 30%, I'm not to going to argue since it was made clear from the debate previously about Riina's girl that numerical ratings of any sort just add confusion.

It occurred to me that I rejected 14 girls, and submitted to Kozerog also 14, or exactly a half of 28 that I had. One may also say this was a trisection: 28+14=42. Bottom third has been rejected, and a top third has been reviewed.

In a way it becomes a trisection: 14 rejected as unacceptable, 14 presented as the best, and 14 were in the middle (judged strictly by photos).

They were indeed pretty, slim and in their young 20's. Some were presented to me by dispatchers as 18 or 19 years old, and proudly updated their age to as high as 26, while talking, drinking, kissing, and building up the mutual trust. Some were 18 and 19. Three or Four of them just started working in this line of business, I could certainly tell. With some of them it was awkward and less than hot and passionate, but with some the sweetest ever.

PhotoShop has been used on some of the pictures, but didn't change much. Mostly it blurred out face features of young students to protect their privacy, and played a little with lighting. Few girls gave me their phone numbers, and even sent portraits via messengers, or I could look up avatars. That's why I do not post their photos for the Forum to see. Sorry.[/QUOTE]Those arrivals that I kept matched photos. Some were even better in reality, either because photographer was bad, or personality made them more attractive.

All the girls have been warned by dispatchers that I am a regular customer, and they should behave. Not everybody complied. Ukrainians are free spirited.

3-5 girls were dropped off and waited at my entrance without a car. One has been turned back.

Out of 14 rejected girls they were sent back for the following reasons:

Having pack of cigarettes or iQOS in their hands.

Being different from the girl that I already had before.

Bad face skin.

Visible bruises on legs.

Tired.

Rude.

Not saying "Hi" with a pleasant smile upon arrival.

The one with tattoo on her thigh had a great body. 173/60/1/19 gorgeous. And she was 19 for sure. Had a bit of an attitude, not too bad, as I kept her without any doubts. No kissing, CBJ was better than so-so, I quickly stopped it, warmed her up, and vaginal sex ended up being great, as she tried her best. But in the beginning she surely thought too much of her beauty being in the hands of a mediocre aging man three times her age. For me sex without kissing rarely raises sufficient interest for a follow-up. No repeat, but a fond memory.

3) Quality appears to be unchanged since I last used agencies in 2017. Which is not surprising. Economy in Ukraine has improved since then, but the country is still poor overall and Kyiv rents are expensive for girls freshly arrived from elsewhere in the country, plus newcomers to the big city are soon driven insane with desire for the pretty clothes they see in window displays or worn by other girls. And so they resort to the same method poor but pretty girls in sexually liberated countries have always used to earn money fast. This is not going to change for a very long time.

Great observation. Some girls use the opportunity with gusto, and Ukrainian girls are some of the best in enjoying sex. Some are confused and shy, but not too many.

4) All the girls (disregarding that leg tattoo) exceed the threshold I use for considering a girl physically attractive. Once that threshold is reached, personality becomes the dominant factor.

Perhaps "Personality" I rate as "Attitude". To me it's huge, frequently overriding physical beauty. One of the 28 girls was 170 and 62, but perhaps heavier. She was the one of the few dropped off without a taxi at my building entrance perhaps because being overweight she wasn't selected so often. At first I wasn't sure. Lacking confidence, she also had visible concerns about her appearance. I liked her facial expression though, and her shyness made me even hornier. We relaxed over a glass of wine, discussed slim tall beautiful models, and within 10-15 minutes she was moaning in doggie while sincerely exclaiming:

- Oh this is good, you are such a great man! You certainly know how to please a woman.

And I responded with:

- Say "Hello," to those models for me!

5) Photoslider (and Riina) appears to share my taste for typical slender Ukrainian girls with medium breasts. If huge asses or huge breasts are your thing, you can probably find that in Ukraine, but it isn't typical and no girls like that in Photoslider's collection.

Correct. Nothing else to add.

Thank you so much for concise, straight to the point, yet thoughtful review.

[PassinThrough]

So what is the best way to find the apartments with several girls? From what I have heard it is by using touts at Arena City but there must be a better way. I hate touts as they are usually trying to scam you. Any suggestions, do they advertise anywhere?

Thanks.

PIT.

[Stefan 7]

This guy owns buddah bar, LOL.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ight-risk-bail

[Baraba]

Does anyone have information for independents escorts?

I try to avoid agencies and find better service (more personal and GF feeling), but it doesn't seem that simple.

Seems like all those escorts are doing service mechanical.

Any advice or info?

[Kozerog]

Photoslider sent photos of a selection of the girls he met his last trip. I refuse to use numeric ratings, but will instead make a few qualitative remarks:

1) All girls are in the same category as Riina's girl (which we discussed at great length in this thread), meaning girls in their young 20's, with pretty faces and slender bodies.

(this was Riina's final post, scroll back from there for discussion, which goes on for several pages following his initial post of a different photo of the same girl)

I spend enough time in non touristy parts of Kyiv that I know what ordinary Kyiv girls aged 20-25 are like. Photoslider's and Riina's girls are the elite, not just any girl aged 20-25. Whether these are the top 1% or top 10% or merely top 30%, I'm not to going to argue since it was made clear from the debate previously about Riina's girl that numerical ratings of any sort just add confusion.

2) If I messaged an agency and they sent me photos like Photoslider's, and girls that showed up matched their photos, I would be very satisfied. (Other than one girl who had a leg tattoo, which ruined her for me. That was the only visible tattoo.)

3) Quality appears to be unchanged since I last used agencies in 2017. Which is not surprising. Economy in Ukraine has improved since then, but the country is still poor overall and Kyiv rents are expensive for girls freshly arrived from elsewhere in the country, plus newcomers to the big city are soon driven insane with desire for the pretty clothes they see in window displays or worn by other girls. And so they resort to the same method poor but pretty girls in sexually liberated countries have always used to earn money fast. This is not going to change for a very long time.

4) All the girls (disregarding that leg tattoo) exceed the threshold I use for considering a girl physically attractive. Once that threshold is reached, personality becomes the dominant factor.

5) Photoslider (and Riina) appears to share my taste for typical slender Ukrainian girls with medium breasts. If huge asses or huge breasts are your thing, you can probably find that in Ukraine, but it isn't typical and no girls like that in Photoslider's collection.

[PhotoSlider]

I had to trawl through the posts to glean info about these 2 places and printed it out to take to Kiev (my first trip).

93 k-.

Basically an apartment with 1/2 girls in the afternoon, and about 5 girls after 8/9 pm.

Its a 1500 uah price place so the girls are on that level.

If you like a slightly rounder, bigger pale-skinned girl than this is the place for you.

(I think once you have been in Kiev a few times, its no longer a special place as there are many options nearby, but its a great place to begin).

If it's 9 mikhailivski Ln, then I had girls from there. Ordered through consolidators, not their golden panter direct supervisors.

Actually there were 2 addresses: 5 and 9 be. One girl indeed was just like in one of those black blues lyrics "I need a big fat woman!" but highly intelligent and passionate. The other one was Korean-Ukrainian, petite and very fit, exotic, beautiful and multi-orgasmic.

I searched out of curiosity for golden-panter (different spelling might apply) a week after the bust, and just like with GIA, their web-site was still up, but I never paid attention to them, never worked with them.

[Riina]

Come on guys share some info, tel etc.

I like apartments, and from goldenpanthera's shutting down need new places)).

I never heard of goldenpanthera before it was shut down. Sad that members were not open to sharing.

[David42]

Come on guys share some info, tel etc.

I like apartments, and from goldenpanthera's shutting down need new places)).

I had to trawl through the posts to glean info about these 2 places and printed it out to take to Kiev (my first trip).

93 k-.

Basically an apartment with 1/2 girls in the afternoon, and about 5 girls after 8/9 pm.

Its a 1500 uah price place so the girls are on that level.

If you like a slightly rounder, bigger pale-skinned girl than this is the place for you.

(I think once you have been in Kiev a few times, its no longer a special place as there are many options nearby, but its a great place to begin).

Tourist Hotel-.

This is basically a strip / lapdance type bar with very few customers unless its late. There is NO sex here.

Its basically a great tease that gives you a boner for about 1200 all in (that was my experience anyway).

There will be 2/3 girls who dance provocatively around a pole, while you sit and have a drink. They have incredible bodies and average faces.

500 gets a private dance for 2 songs. The girl will take her knickers off and dance and grind against you. You can touch her tits and ass, but no private area.

Drinks are about 100-150.

[Arkiloko]

Was in Kiev and actually stayed at 9 mikhailivski Ln and didn't know what was through that arch.

Just 80-100 meters down the road there is another place actually.

Come on guys share some info, tel etc.

I like apartments, and from goldenpanthera's shutting down need new places)).

[Mr Presidentt]

P.S. Correction for 93 k. The street I said to walk up doesn't have the kebab shop.

The one to walk up is 2nd to the right of Mcds.

Alternatively put 9 mikhailivski Ln in google and it is about there.

Was in Kiev and actually stayed at 9 mikhailivski Ln and didn't know what was through that arch.

Just 80-100 meters down the road there is another place actually.

[SuperLove]

Forgot to add pics. Some of the fine scotch I tasted last week in Ukraine. Promised all no face / identity will be shared.

[Arkiloko]

But I wanted to add / clarify information about 93 k and the Tourist hotel Gentlemans / Strip Club

I can't find a previous post about 93 k. Can some one tell me about it and gentleman's?