Kyiv

[HobbyMan6969]

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You are probably using one of those nonlinear 1-10 scales I mentioned, because that girl is surely at least top 30%, or top 20%, rather than just top 40%, of college age (19-22) girls in Kyiv. But anyway, maybe some other guys would like to answer the following serious questions: Are girls like Riina's commonly available now at agencies, apartments, strip bars, etc in Kyiv? Are even prettier girls commonly available at typical 2000 uah / hour prices? Or are most girls at agencies, etc less pretty?

The independent I've been seeing for the past three summers is about the same level of prettiness as Riina's girl, but she's older (28, which is still 30 years younger than me). I'm satisfied enough with her looks and very happy with her personality, which is what really matters in a longer term relationship. Back in summer 2017, when I grinded my way through agency girls and independents, I often encountered girls as pretty as or prettier than the one Riina posted, but I would say average then was somewhat lower than that girl, and there were also lots of girls much less pretty (especially initially with the agencies, until I raised a fuss about girls who didn't match their photo)..

Since I have been in Kiev for the past week.

I have seen some hot 7-8 in the strip clubs, but they aren't guaranteed to go home with you.

Most were around 5-6 in looks.

As far as agencies I batting a zero as all of the girls seem to be fakes, they try and send some fat ugly girl to you.

I haven't gone to kec yet because I just find it expensive. Maybe at the end of my trip I'll book a girl.

I did go to chi to see what the hottest girls look like as locals, there were a lot of 7-8 in looks. You have to throw down a lot of money to keep them happy. Drinks / food / entertainment / gifts.

[HobbyMan6969]

I got 3 bangs so far since September 19,1 I paid for the other 2 I got for free. I'm in Kiev until Oct. 3. My goal is to get free bangs but I will pay if I have to because I'm a horndog.

I went out Thursday night to arena city and had some drinks at the bar and burger bar and had 1 drink in penthouse club upstairs in arena city. I didn't like the girls at penthouse that night so I left. I left for Caribbean club and it kinda sucked, the 2 hottest chicks were hookers and wanted 150 usd at first then lowered down to 100 bucks. I was tempted at first but I decided to head back to my hotel as I was starting to get bored.

My 1st bang Sept. 20 (Friday morning 5 am) while walking to the mcdonalds on kershchatyk street.

A girl was sitting by herself eyeballing me. I thought she was either a hooker or really into me the way she was looking at me.

I bought her a coffee and tried to chat her up. I had to use google translate the whole time, I suggested she come back to my place.

Since she said she was waiting to check into her hotel. She agreed, I banged her once in the morning and another around 3 pm. (I allowed her to sleep in at my hotel)..

Tuesday night I decided to try some of the escort sites online. It was a huge disaster. The whatsapp numbers they give you are some dispatcher that ends up trying to show you other pics of girls that are supposedly available that night. I picked one girl out that I liked and when she arrived she was not the girl in the pic. She was fatter and older so I told her to go back. The dispatcher said he / she would send another girl that I liked. I told her no I don't trust you anymore and I'm done. The dispatcher wanted me to come to an apartment where multiple girls were. Again I told her no as I had already lost trust in the dispatcher. The dispatcher ended up sending me a meme of flipping the bird and telling me to eat shit.

I ended up going back to Scarlette strip club again to see if one of the girls I liked from the night before was there. I end up going around 3 am so I could try to take her back with me. I did see her and she said she was too tired to come back with me and wanted me to come earlier the next night (Wednesday night). I told her that's OK and bought her a drink. I don't know if she is stringing me along and will come back with me Wednesday but I'll give it a 3rd shot. My goal for Wednesday is to try and take the girl from Scarlette back to my place then afterwards hit up some clubs and try to get some one night stands. Last resort I go to Caribbean club later on and see what talent is out there.

[Member #4722]

Everyone has different tastes. I like tall white girls with Slavic features and fair skin. That's why Kiev appeals to me. Most of the ladies I have met in Kiev I have considered 7's but I have had a couple 8's and a few 6's. A 4.5 showed up on this last trip and I was already planning to send her away with a partial payment before I ever saw her since I got very drunk with civvie friends. But ended up doing her anyways probably the best sex of my visit (LOL) turned the lights down.

[Member #4722]

Never gone below 4 so will start there.

4. Would do very drunk would not tell my friends.

5. Would bone when sober but wouldn't be very proud.

6. Cute girl would be proud to fuck would brag to friends. Hot face maybe chubby or not so hot face great body.

7. Very hot girl with some imperfections. Super hyped to hook up with a girl like this.

8. Model quality very rare to find. Almost perfect maybe small imperfections.

9. Once in a lifetime looks. Been with three girls in my life I would rate a 9 for looks. 2 of the 3 were horrible in the sack.

10. Unattainable. Gal Gadot (Wonderwoman). Christy Brinkley in her prime. Will never be with a girl this hot and am fine with it.

[SloPhoto1990]

You are probably using one of those nonlinear 1-10 scales I mentioned, because that girl is surely at least top 30%, or top 20%, rather than just top 40%, of college age (19-22) girls in Kyiv. But anyway, maybe some other guys would like to answer the following serious questions: Are girls like Riina's commonly available now at agencies, apartments, strip bars, etc in Kyiv? Are even prettier girls commonly available at typical 2000 uah / hour prices? Or are most girls at agencies, etc less pretty?

I can totally sign under that question / topic. We all want to know what should we except to see in any city for the particular price. It is so hard to judge a girl from 1-10 because we all like different things. But even if we can agree that some individual girl is 7 or 8 or something, we want to know what is the price for that. I personally plan to go to Kiev because it is cheap, but reading that you can get sex for 1500 uah does not necessarily mean much. I am pretty sure you can get sex for 10 or 20 euro some random god forsaken places if you pick a junkie or some gypsy girl totally over age, if you are into that. What most of us want to know, what is the starting price for a 18-25 y old slim and attractive friendly girl.

[HobbyMan6969]

I got 3 bangs so far since September 19,1 I paid for the other 2 I got for free. I'm in Kiev until Oct. 3. My goal is to get free bangs but I will pay if I have to because I'm a horndog.

I went out Thursday night to arena city and had some drinks at the bar and burger bar and had 1 drink in penthouse club upstairs in arena city. I didn't like the girls at penthouse that night so I left. I left for Caribbean club and it kinda sucked, the 2 hottest chicks were hookers and wanted 150 usd at first then lowered down to 100 bucks. I was tempted at first but I decided to head back to my hotel as I was starting to get bored.

My 1st bang Sept. 20 (Friday morning 5 am) while walking to the mcdonalds on kershchatyk street.

A girl was sitting by herself eyeballing me. I thought she was either a hooker or really into me the way she was looking at me.

I bought her a coffee and tried to chat her up. I had to use google translate the whole time, I suggested she come back to my place.

Since she said she was waiting to check into her hotel. She agreed, I banged her once in the morning and another around 3 pm. (I allowed her to sleep in at my hotel).

I told her I had stuff to do in the afternoon and got her number. She asked if she could have some money for shopping. I was like no I don't understand and she looked upset and left.

So, it was a free bang but she seemed semi pro. Since it was basically my first night in Kiev after partying I wanted to get sex out of the way. She was a 5 in the face and a 6. 5 in the body.

ON Friday night I decided to try dfleur first, it ended up being only 5 old chicks in the place and when I left around 12:30 am it was nothing but dudes coming in. I decided to go to chi and see the talent. I seen a tall older lady that was in dfleur earlier, she seemed like a hooker. Had some drinks and a couple of hot 8's and 9's eyeing me but I didn't make my move like a chickenshit. It got late so I decided to head home 5 in the morning without getting laid. Saturday (Sept. 21) I decided to get my pregame drinking on at shooters and Buddha bar. I went to Buddha bar first only to find out it is closed for renovation? I then went to shooters and there was literally 5 dudes in there so I left for chi club. CHi had a bigger line on Saturday night, by the time I got to the doorman the doorman asked the "owner" if I could come in. I got face controlled and said not tonight. I then went to the Caribbean club. Older people were in there and I seen some of the same hookers from the other night I went. I wasn't feeling Caribbean club that night so I decided to go to club rio. I seen 3 strippers that I liked so I tried dances with all. Only one agreed to go back to my place with me. I had to pay 300 usd (in gryvnia) to take her home, it was 4 am. She was a 7 to me. We banged 2 times, once when we got to my place and another time when she and I woke up. She stayed 4 1/2 hours. I got her whatsapp number. Sunday I ended up sleeping in and had a meeting with a couchsurfing girl. She and I met and had drinks and she wanted to come back to my place as she said her place was 40 minutes away by uber. I happily obliged. She and I ended up having sex 2 times, once when she got to my place and another when we woke up. She stayed from midnight to 9 am. So, that was a free bang and I got her number.

Monday I sleep in again and end up walking around arena city, some guy stopped me and asked if I wanted to go upstairs to the see the ladies. I said sure and went inside and some of the girls looked bangable but didn't want to waste 2000 gryvnias on them. I end up leaving to go to scarlette and seen 2 girls I liked. One (she was hot, I would say an 8) said she wouldn't go home with me only to leave with a Ukrainian group of guys outside of the club. THe other girl said she was on her period and to come back in 4 days. So, ended up going home without getting laid that night. I'm still trying to plan the rest of my time here. I will probably try Caribbean club again to see if it gets any better talent in there. Club Rio is probably my last resort at the end of the stay as it is expensive to take a girl home. I'm still trying to figure out some good clubs to pick up some local girls for free. However, not knowing conversational Russian is an issue here as it is a hit or miss if they can speak English. I might try a massage place as well because I need a decent massage with a happy ending. Mamba hasn't seemed to be great for me here as the girls are flakey and non responsive. I'm going to do some more walking during the day to get numbers. I really wish I could find some college girls that are semi pro as well. Wish me luck the rest of the time I'm here.

[Kozerog]

Here are photos of a girl in my apartment.

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She was a solid 7 and college age. I never said that {all girls in Kyiv are hideous}. I find Ukrainian girls the most attractive on the planet, but it's become very difficult to find quality escorts in Kiev as a tourist.

You are probably using one of those nonlinear 1-10 scales I mentioned, because that girl is surely at least top 30%, or top 20%, rather than just top 40%, of college age (19-22) girls in Kyiv. But anyway, maybe some other guys would like to answer the following serious questions: Are girls like Riina's commonly available now at agencies, apartments, strip bars, etc in Kyiv? Are even prettier girls commonly available at typical 2000 uah / hour prices? Or are most girls at agencies, etc less pretty?

The independent I've been seeing for the past three summers is about the same level of prettiness as Riina's girl, but she's older (28, which is still 30 years younger than me). I'm satisfied enough with her looks and very happy with her personality, which is what really matters in a longer term relationship. Back in summer 2017, when I grinded my way through agency girls and independents, I often encountered girls as pretty as or prettier than the one Riina posted, but I would say average then was somewhat lower than that girl, and there were also lots of girls much less pretty (especially initially with the agencies, until I raised a fuss about girls who didn't match their photo). So if things have gotten worse in the past three years, as many guys allege, then it might be true that getting girls as pretty as the one Riina posted is difficult now, at least using agencies, etc. I haven't used agencies, etc myself since summer 2017.

[DramaFree11]

Lot of experienced Kiev mongers here have described the situation here well.

Well, I do not agree that Kiev is a bad place for this hobby, but I do agree that girls are not going to fall onto your dick without you even trying. You need to put some effort, but Kiev is still very easy to score (everything is relative to personal experience, and this kind of discussions cannot conclude with anything solid).

Apartment girls.

There are so many that I lost track of how many I visited. But most of them are near maiden and the attitude of the girls normally is a hit or miss. Sometimes I had visited the same apartment to find a very dull girl and then the next day, a gem who loves what she is doing (during same time of the day). So I haven't still cracked the formula for success at apartments. No matter how confident you go in, they seem to have a predetermined mindset. Average price is from 1500 UAH-1800 UAH for one hour.
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Great report and very accurate.

[Riina]

Please rate that girl whose photo you posted, both face and body on scale of 1-10, so we finally have a real world basis for all these ratings discussions.

She was a solid 7 and college age.

I wasn't so much asking in jest as trying to get Riina and DramaFree11 to finally explain what they mean when they say all girls in Kyiv are hideous.

I never said that. I find Ukrainian girls the most attractive on the planet, but it's become very difficult to find quality escorts in Kiev as a tourist.

[EditFun01]

So we (3 friends) plan mongering trip every other year. Last time it was Prague and huge success. After hearing a lot about Kiev we decided to visit last week.

Compared to hype created vs what we got, it was big disappointment.

So we started with tinder couple of days ahead of landing in Kiev. Apart from one genuine date (I would consider myself very lucky) most matches were either agents or over age working girls. Most profiles specify their age at least 5 years less of they originally are. There are few students (20-23 yrs) and I did met one. But overall tinder is time consuming and scoring a real good profile may or may not happen. Didn't tried Mamba.

Clubs. I found club Rio and few other gentlemen clubs to be hyped. The girls whom I liked didn't wanted to go out before 4 am. I don't have patience to stay there till 4:00 am. Same is the case with most places in Arena city. Did picked from club Caribbean but quality remains terrible.

Agents. There are lot of agents (I found through tinder) with avg girl around.

Conclusion. Lot of over age (30-40 yrs) girls are available but if you are looking for real young Ukrainian beauty then Kiev will disappoint. Also its no very cheap compared to some other locations.

[NorskKing]

Lot of experienced Kiev mongers here have described the situation here well.

Well, I do not agree that Kiev is a bad place for this hobby, but I do agree that girls are not going to fall onto your dick without you even trying. You need to put some effort, but Kiev is still very easy to score (everything is relative to personal experience, and this kind of discussions cannot conclude with anything solid).

Apartment girls.

There are so many that I lost track of how many I visited. But most of them are near maiden and the attitude of the girls normally is a hit or miss. Sometimes I had visited the same apartment to find a very dull girl and then the next day, a gem who loves what she is doing (during same time of the day). So I haven't still cracked the formula for success at apartments. No matter how confident you go in, they seem to have a predetermined mindset. Average price is from 1500 UAH-1800 UAH for one hour.

Massage parlors.

I had really difficult time finding decent girls. One day I was walking many miles to go from one erotic massage parlor to another that google shows me on the map that is closest to me. I was not satisfied until I ended up in Wild West erotic massage place. There were only two girls there and the one who looked even close to decent seemed that she just woke up. I chose her anyway since I was tired of walking (I need to find a cab service that can show me places like this, suggestions are welcomed). I asked her to get fresh and take a shower which she did. Turned out that she was a girl who is being called when there is no other girl to cover the shift and she does not do this often. She was 25 years old, name Hannah, and she said the prices are 1500 UAH for erotic massage and 1700 for sex. I did not see anyone offer sex in the menu that openly in the massage parlor. I took the one with sex and when we went inside and got naked, she started giving me massage. I could see that she was enjoying the situation. She immediately asked if I wanted to start with the sex part and I said OK, and then she immediately put cover on my johnny and started with cowgirl position. After having visited so many pros in so many countries, I believe I can figure out a girl who is faking to enjoy and who is really enjoying the act. She did come twice within 10 minutes. She sucked me so hard that I exploded (with cover of course) Later we went to the sauna (which was 300 uah extra per hour) but normally the girl does not accompany you unless you pay her again for her time. But she accompanied me for one hour and let me finger her inside the sauna. The sauna was not too hot, and she was dripping wet and moaned like a pregnant women giving birth to a baby. I have never seen anything like this, and her moaning did not trigger any reaction from the administration which is even weird for me.

I left this place with a biggest smile since I caught this girl at the perfect time when she did not had sex for few days earlier me.

The other one is near the McDonalds near the maidan, a chubby girl escorted me into the massage parlor at 11 am and said that she need more sleep and she is very tired.

I offered her a massage, since I love to give a nude girl massage with my balls resting on her butt cheeks. She was so relaxed for 15 minutes, that she made the rest 45 minutes unforgettable.

No penetration was involved, but she sucked me like a pro, and let me finger her with full satisfaction. I would rate her 6/10, but as you already discussed, without the pics the rating is non-sensical.

Clubs and Bars.

So many girls drooling to get the chance to lighten my wallet, but I did not like to spoil these girls with expensive price tags when there were other options.

RIO.

I had so many lapdances with so many girls, but did not feel any girl that was doing this with enjoyable energy. No click, no sex, so I did not take anyone back to apartment.

In general, I was in experimental mode, not knowing what I want and wanted to just explore.

I had success with two show around girls after the report I gave few weeks ago. A new report should follow mainly for this and I will do it when I get some time.

[Kozerog]

Here are photos of a girl in my apartment.

Please rate that girl whose photo you posted, both face and body on scale of 1-10, so we finally have a real world basis for all these ratings discussions.

You are absoluetly correct. Kozerog asked the question to the original poster of the photo, how he would rate her in real life. It is unfair and almost silly to give a rating based on a phone photo taken in bad light. May be the reply was in jest but this girl looks nice.

I wasn't so much asking in jest as trying to get Riina and DramaFree11 to finally explain what they mean when they say all girls in Kyiv are hideous.

I should have also asked Riina to specify that girl's age, in addition to body and face rating, because there is such a thing as beautiful women in their 40's, but it's a different kind of beauty from a 20yo, so always important to note age. When I was young myself, I was very attracted to women in their 40's, though now I prefer 20's.

Many guys use the 1-10 scale in a nonlinear way. That is, instead of 10% of girls for each level, maybe only 1% are 10's, whereas 20% are 6's, or something like that except they never specify exactly what this nonlinear system is. Why can't they just say top 1% if that's what they mean? I would say body and face of Riina's girl are both at least top 30% in Kyiv for girls aged 23, which is my guess for her age. That is, she's has a prettier face and better body than average for 23yo girls in Kyiv, which is saying something, since standards are high in Kyiv. If we assume 10% of girls at each of the levels 1-10, she's a 8,9 or 10. Can't be more exact without seeing her in real life, not just photos. Personally, I am less interested in numbers than qualitative evaluation criteria, such as:

a) Would I be feel embarrassed or proud to be seen holding hands with her in public while she was wearing a bikini? Answer: proud (not that I'm too concerned about what other people think any more).
b) If an agency delivered a girl like that, how would I feel? Answer: pleased, exceeds expectations.
c) Would I like to have this girl in bed with me now? Answer: yes.

My answers are based strictly on looks, as revealed in those photos, however personality is equally important, which photos can't reveal. Also, might be hidden defects not evident in those photos. Bad body odor especially is a real turnoff, and no way a photo can show that.

I'm glad Vitrea and others refused to take my question seriously, because of course it wasn't serious. In my experience, guys who obsess over numbers are less interested in sex with pretty girls than with showing off to other guys (dick measuring competitions) or they have some other hidden motive.

Below is a example of how misleading glamour photography can be. Plenty more examples like this on the internet.

[Jojosun]

Hi guys,

I am in Kiev next month and need to confirm the going rates, I don't want to be giving the girls less or more to inflate the market.

The prices I been quoted have all been between 100 dollars to 150 dollar for 2-3 hours (2000 - 2800 Ukraine).

Doeshis seen normal and also what's the general all night rates?

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What Dollars are you talking about that give these UAh equivalent 2000/2800 UAH??

[Dddubs2]

Here's my report from my recent trip. Had very limited time but was able to make the most of it. More time and speaking the language definitely would have helped but overall a positive experience.

Salon dream. Saw Alyssa for VIP or Elite massage, one of those, pretty and tall girl, nice face and body, but a bit mechanical. Limited touching. Had two girls in the line up, other one black girl. Based on this and having been to Moulin Rouge, I wouldn't go back.

Moulin Rouge. Much nicer venue, had 10 girls in the line up holy shit. I went for two girl, Nadya and Issa, Nadya was amazing, good massage and kissing allowed on her body, Issa was pretty blonde but with a bit of attitude and fake moaning, tries to rush you a bit. Half the girls were between 7-8's, other half 5-6's, maybe one close to a 9. I would go back for sure.

93 K. Went here twice once very late at night once in late afternoon. First time was this Asian-Russian girl cute and 22 yo was friendly, skinnier type, standard covered service but a good time overall. My second visit was my favorite experience with this 20 yo girl named Tina she seemed new, spoke some English, brownish blonde hair, nice natural boobs, slightly curvy in a good way. Friendly and felt more girlfriend type. Good time was had.

Tinder. Had a nice meal with IG model type, more of a nice chat, wasn't necessarily going to lead to anything, maybe later.

Skybar. Met a cute 19 yo, didn't get to take home but got her contact and been chatting with her. Wants to meet next time.

Avalon. Went on Sunday and was dead, jut had drinks but no action.

[Dddubs2]

Have a regular girl in Kiev and I keep her very happy with duty free fragrances, gifts and shopping. I recently asked her to organise an orgy for me in my apartment, she will bring in friends and they will dance naked, run around, have pillow fights (winner will get reward), fashion walk and other exciting do's. Idea is to have a fabulous time. She has asked for $1000-1200 for the evening. All girls may be may be 6 will come in late evening and will go back morning. I do not get to see the girls beforehand. Told her to get different chicks. Will keep you all updated, will be mid October.

If you need attendees, do let me know as I might be in town. Cheers.