Kyiv

[Tomek123]

My friend, I am not here to have an argument with a guy who can barely speak English and doesn't know what Miami is. I could barely understand what you were getting at with half of what you said. But depending on what your standards are and what kind of experience you want you will have different experiences, but the truth of the matter is that there is a diaspora going on.

I met a girl once on one of these websites who wanted to come travel and asked for nothing. Six months later the next time we traveled she asked for $300. A year later she asked for $2,000 to go and I said no. The reason is that she saw some of the world and re-evaluated her worth. Any girl who is above standard looking in Kiev is going to be way above standard looking elsewhere. I can see her photos on social media so someone is paying for it because she continues to go everywhere she wants to go. I know a good number of these girls who are model quality in looks and they have a constant stream of photos from Monaco, Dubai, Maldives, Paris, London, Switzerland. The carousel never stops. These five star hotel rooms are not paid for at checkin with a smile.

They have options to go, so they go. I have friends who have had the private jet sent for them from Dubai to pick them up.

These girls are not standing around on the street to meet 55 year old guys with pot bellies from Istanbul and argue with them over 1000 UAH.

Why are they going to go to a club like Rio and work every night with the hope of taking home $500 or $1000 in a week when someone will throw $3 k at them over social media to join them for a week in Monaco or Maldives?

What is happening is simple economics.

1. The barriers to access for foreigners to come to Ukraine continue to fall (went from soviet style visa requirements to visa free travel). This means more competition.

2. Local wealth only ever goes up meaning ever less reason for one of them to spend their time with you. More competition.

3. Barriers to access to the rest of the world for the girls continues to fall which means that the best go to the best opportunities (more competition) and leave behind those who can't achieve those best opportunities (less supply).

4. Instagram is showing them the world and showing them to the world and they want to go places, and people want to take them and will pay.

I made the mistake once of reviewing a hotel on Tripadvisor that had no reviews and it was a small luxury hotel and quite beautiful. It was priced above midrange but was great value for the luxury. Three years after I made this posting the price was so high I couldn't go there anymore. Now, eventually the secret would get out. Information can't stay locked up as much as we'd like it to be locked up.

Once that happens economics takes over.

Once a 10/10 perfect blonde realizes that some guy in Miami (google it) will send her $10,000 to come over for one week, she is off the pole at Rio dude. She is not going to be standing at the bar in Buddha Bar 4 days a week hoping to find one guy to get $500 out of.

I know a blonde who had one guy send her $4000 just for her to "get a visa", let alone what he's going to give her when she gets there. He hasn't even met this girl yet and he sent her this.

All of the above is an inevitable spiral.

There will always be little anecdotes of things being different. When the tide goes out there are still a few waves that come up the shoreline. But the tide is inevitable. The more open Ukraine gets, the more opportunities there are abroad and the more people read people's fantasy posts on this board where they exaggerate a homely girl into some playboy model that they conquered in order to get some worthless points for impressing punters online that they will never meet. The more of those posts that are made, the more guys will strap on their boots and come to Ukraine.

The girls go, and the men arrive, and the locals make more money: and that means the same thing it always means: quality goes down, expense goes up, old timers complain it isn't like it used to be and wonder why.

Well every girl who is 5/10 that you guys bang and then brag about it here you convince one more guy to come to Kiev and compete with you for what's left. For the rest of it, you can't control it and when the visa wall comes down every last half decent looking girl is going to leave and try her luck elsewhere. There is more money out there than there are beautiful girls. So, you will be left in the tank with whatever wasn't good enough to leave, fighting for the scraps with the 50 year old dudes from Istanbul with their big bellies. Competing over the fat girls and the ugly girls and those of us who saw it before the decline will have the memory of it before it changed..

I agree with your words. You need to be an idiot not to see these obvious processes. But. But similar processes are taking place not only in Ukraine. Is it not the cost of a beautiful young girl growing in Colombia? Why Ukraine should be an exception? The standard of living is growing everywhere. Even in Africa! But what is the alternative? What are you offering? Yes, what you write is largely true. Although the scale of emigration of beautiful girls from Ukraine to the West is somewhat exaggerated. I often go to the Ukrainian province and I see a huge number of beautiful girls. For example, in Poland and Latvia, the standard of living of girls is quite high. Salary in Latvia is 700 euros on average. This is a country a member of the European Union. Every girl in Latvia can freely travel to the richest countries of the Western World. England, Ireland, Germany, Netherlands. Latvian girl unlike Ukrainian has even the right of legal employment in these countries. And nevertheless many guys from England each year fly to Poland and Latvia to fuck local cheap girls. Just talk to Polish girls. Many of them not away to earn your pussy. Just need to go to a nightclub in Warsaw or Krakow. Same in Latvia. And the city of Riga is one of the capitals of world sex tourism. ! This is not a poor Ukraine, gentlemen! This is Latvia! A country that is in the European Union! Ukraine will never be in the EU. If you follow this logic, then Latvia and Riga should have died a long time as a route for sex tourism. But this is not so! Riga and now accepts a large number of sex tourists. Why these guys from Scotland and Ireland will not stay on their islands to fuck Scottish and Irish girls? Probably because it is expensive. Because a beautiful prostitute in England or Ireland is significant money. Because the standard of living in England or Ireland is still several times higher than in Latvia. And, of course, higher than in Ukraine. . what do we see? Latvia, in contrast to Ukraine, made a fantastic success. It modernized the economy. Finished with the Soviet methods of management in economics and politics. Made reforms. Accepted huge Western investments (which I don't see huge investments in Ukraine) . She eventually became a member of the European Union! This is not a corrupt and impoverished Ukraine, where many girls in the provinces work for 180-200 dollars in a shop. But it still did not save Latvia from such a phenomenon as sex tourism!

[Jojosun]

My latest post re Sex Island Holidays with the latest venue in Vegas was a price comparison exercise, that said, Buffet or a la carte kinda of mongering?

In the interest of Research which reveals; Organisers, who say they have a 'strict condom policy', will refund the guest who has sex with the most women.

[DramaFree11]

I can't share pics, so. Check on mamba, Allina, 27, red blonde hair. Wears a shirt on flix saying. Worst 10 minutes of my life'. Pics look retouched, but she is 100% that girl. If she isn't an 8/9. Let me know what you consider one?

Look for scheniblack hair, olive green shirt. If she ain't an 8/9. Let me know who is then?

Look for Daria, 23, sits on a cabin of a Ferris wheel or lays in bed with white shirt on. An 8 for me. Then there is alna, blond girl, on 2 pics she is naked. Killer body, 10 for me please. All mamba, all seen and spent time with, look the same live as on pictures.

99.5% online profiles in Kiev are fake or touched up, probably more. Just read 20 pages and you find out how big of an issue this is. This is an illusion that has been created in Kiev. I deal in the real world not a fantasy world that is online in Kiev.

[VivalDim]

Standard answer: "It depends".

If you have difficulties in clubs of your own country, then it'll be no different in Ukraine. Confidence, body language, ability to pass the visual screening by Kiev girls will play a role.

I know for a fact that some foreign guys scored in Kiev clubs multiple times literally within the last week.

For example if you are a DJ in NYC, or LA, then you can figure it out even if you are 40+.

However, it would be taking it too far, if you think Kiev girls will hit on you just because you walked in.

I am not a good source of information on clubs, but it seems you did fine with Mamba. Read back for 6-12 months, there's always a chance.

Good point. I'm not a big fan of club & loud music in my own country so yeah, not the best idea. I was thinking that pro or semi-pro girls looking for sponsors would go out somewhere at night but they probably stay home waiting and looking at their phone.

[Trent23]

Sorry, I will only post when there is miss information. 7-10, in Kiev no way, read my previous posts, just almost impossible. They were not there 3 years ago and I am sure it is way worse, now. You can read my previous posts, for more examples. I am one of the few that actually lived in Kiev for over a year, on different occasions.

Spreading this delusion is real reckless. Veterans know the truth but continue to post these exaggerations.

I can't share pics, so. Check on mamba, Allina, 27, red blonde hair. Wears a shirt on flix saying,. Worst 10 minutes of my life'. Pics look retouched, but she is 100% that girl. If she isn't an 8/9. Let me know what you consider one?

Look for schenia (written with that kyrillic sh), black hair, olive green shirt. If she ain't an 8/9. Let me know who is then?

Look for Daria, 23, sits on a cabin of a Ferris wheel or lays in bed with white shirt on. [CodeWord901] style, an 8 for me. Then there is alëna, blond girl, on 2 pics she is naked. Killer body, 10 for me please. All mamba, all seen and spent time with, look the same live as on pictures.

[PhotoSlider]

Problem is same as Kyiv: no guarantees as to quality, whether looks or attitude. What incentive do girls have to please customers? Can organizers really recruit top quality girls, or are they cynically planning to supply rubbish, knowing customers have no legal recourse. Even if girls are okay, you may not like the group dynamics. Same as with any package tour: stuck spending 4 days with a crowd of people who you may not like. At least it's not a cruise ship, so you could just leave early and forfeit the $6000. Also, the way I do the math is $6000/4 days = $1500 / day, which is hardly a bargain.

Agree. Never liked the idea of cruise ship.

This island might be as depressing as Nevada Chicken Ranch or Bunny Ranch. Girls on videos look past the expiration date. Where is the excitement and joy of having a slim youthful lady radiating happiness?

Leave early? I don't think so. Hiking through Nevada desert is risky.

I prefer choosing from more than a 100 girls, and having a better ratio than 50 boys past their midlife crisis years against 100 29-35 years old MIDWF (Moms I don't want to fuck).

[PhotoSlider]

I know, short stay is a problem. It's a bit depressing.
Is there a good club for take out?
Thank you for the information.

Kiev is not Dubai, and it doesn't have German FKKs. River Palace is long time gone.

There is an abundance of clubs at the Arena and throughout the City, I stopped going to those 6 years ago because it stopped making sense to me, and never did, I am not the type.

Rio Strip Club has take out for $300 for few hours, and ratio of good looking girls to lazy ones and those with cellulite is 1 to 5 or even lower depending on the hour or day of the week.

Set your expectations low, be prepared that you will not score, and then you will not be disappointed. Or maybe even you'll get a good girl at Rio, and she'll make it a night to remember.

I had a newbie from Rio in 2015, that was a great check out.

Scarlet Strip Club is so-so, looked empty to me in November 2017. Recent visitors liked it. There are complaints about Darling and other ones.

[Bizzie]

Too short of a visit. Hit and miss. Most likely a miss.

Katia at Kiev Escort Club (online escort ordering service) used to be very good a year ago. She starts at $250/ hour.

Liza seems good, but her personality has not been verified by credible sources. $300.

Reliable websites? Forget it. There is no such thing in Kiev as reliable. Higher price loosely correlate with quality, it may mean better appearance and low quality service.

Kiev has different mindset. Random stochastic business process. Even the above two ladies might have changed, or simply not be available when you visit.

You can try any website 2-3-4 times, and maybe, just maybe 1st (or 3rd) girl will be to your liking.

Recently Tinder seems to work for some of the visitors. Mamba is only good when you are on the ground, and you don't have sufficient time.

Good luck!

I know, short stay is a problem. It's a bit depressing.
Is there a good club for take out?
Thank you for the information.

[Kozerog]

Do the math. $6000 in total. (4 days, 100 girls)

Problem is same as Kyiv: no guarantees as to quality, whether looks or attitude. What incentive do girls have to please customers? Can organizers really recruit top quality girls, or are they cynically planning to supply rubbish, knowing customers have no legal recourse. Even if girls are okay, you may not like the group dynamics. Same as with any package tour: stuck spending 4 days with a crowd of people who you may not like. At least it's not a cruise ship, so you could just leave early and forfeit the $6000. Also, the way I do the math is $6000/4 days = $1500 / day, which is hardly a bargain.

[Jojosun]

Having spent the last 2 years in Poland and Ukraine I am surprised myself to conclude that Polish girls are on average more beautiful than Ukrainians.

I mean I can't walk around large cities in Poland without seeing such beautiful girls every few minutes, the like of which I can only remember in Scandinavia. But this may have a lot to do with the fact that Poles today have more money to beautify themselves.

And of course what's so good about Polish girls when they are much harder to get anyway?

Oh, and Polish girls are also hanging in London until Brexit, lol.

Been away from London for some time and now I find most of the attractive Polish girls are very difficult to find in London unlike previous years I am not a big fan of Trafficked, Controlled Romanian and Chinese Girls.

LOL, you can say https://www.bollockstobrexit.com as far as our mongering preferences are concerned.

[Jojosun]

As I said more than once on this thread, I fully respect all opinions including yours of course, But some opinions sound more like an emotional outburst than an objective insight into the scene in Kiev.

Just to put you in the picture. My first experience with Eastern Europe was Prague back in late 88 when I was a care free student doing the usual adventures backpacking trips. I found Prague then to be Sex heaven for freebies.

At the time Prague followed by Budapest was a lot of fun compared to other cities and towns I did in EE& Central Europe then and in recent years. In fact I found Prague to be still a lot of fun on my return visit few weeks ago after nearly 30 years.

My recent and past observations, Prague is livelier than Kiev but Kiev's girls are on a much higher beauty scale than all the girls of EE and central Europe followed by Polish girls. I wouldn't know about Russian girls in Moscow..

My latest post re Sex Island Holidays with the latest venue in Vegas was a price comparison exercise, that said, Buffet or a la carte kinda of mongering?

[PhotoSlider]

Hi guys,

I have 1 night layover in Kiev in mid September.

First time!

I have read a few pages but for just one night, there is no time to do my own research on site.

Which club would you recommend for a quick taste of Kiev?

Or reliable website with low risk of bait and switch?

For a first timer, not trying to save money, just looking for good experience and service.

Appreciate any input and recommendations.

Biz.

Too short of a visit. Hit and miss. Most likely a miss.

Katia at Kiev Escort Club (online escort ordering service) used to be very good a year ago. She starts at $250/ hour.

Liza seems good, but her personality has not been verified by credible sources. $300.

Reliable websites? Forget it. There is no such thing in Kiev as reliable. Higher price loosely correlate with quality, it may mean better appearance and low quality service.

Kiev has different mindset. Random stochastic business process. Even the above two ladies might have changed, or simply not be available when you visit.

You can try any website 2-3-4 times, and maybe, just maybe 1st (or 3rd) girl will be to your liking.

Recently Tinder seems to work for some of the visitors. Mamba is only good when you are on the ground, and you don't have sufficient time.

Good luck!

[Bizzie]

Hi guys,

I have 1 night layover in Kiev in mid September.

First time!

I have read a few pages but for just one night, there is no time to do my own research on site.

Which club would you recommend for a quick taste of Kiev?

Or reliable website with low risk of bait and switch?

For a first timer, not trying to save money, just looking for good experience and service.

Appreciate any input and recommendations.

Biz.

[Jojosun]

Do the math. $6000 in total.

Links here from both sides of the Waters and it's not exactly Breaking News.

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/sex-i...as-vegas-party

http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-se...ation-20190610

[PhotoSlider]

I see so much written about kharkiv here in the Kiev board, but the actual kharkiv board has nothing in it corroborating the high reviews. From my experience in life, REAL talent has a raging fire in its belly that can only be satisfied by venues that host a robust marketplace, it has ZERO tolerance for the idea of languishing in the oblivion of limited opportunity. That goes for everything, not just the hobby. The kharkiv board seems to agree. And the absurd lack of pics seems to support this claim.

There's an abundance of videos out there now of amateur adventure travelers who go to the most remote areas of earth. The only thing waiting for anybody in these places, is a whole lot of nothing. Don't be telling the forum that the 18 year old Emily Ratajkowski just hangs out at tsalbo oblast bustation all day long handing out bbbjs for a pocket full of candy corn. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

I know one successful veteran of this Forum, and one ex-GIA exquisite lady that go to Kharkiv from Kiev to get off. Neither posts on Forum, but they talk behind the scenes.

You do not see evidence, Stefan, doesn't mean action doesn't exist. Not everybody broadcasts, many prefer stealth mode not to reveal their business methods to competition, and simply because they do not need to boast and get somebody else's praise to feel great.

1+ Million population in Ukraine presents an opportunity. Preparation is surely required for Kharkiv, and myself would have more fun in Kiev, but Kharkiv is not nearly as dead as Lviv. More students and different mentality than in the Western Ukraine.