Kyiv

[Stefan 7]

Strip Clubs. All cost 250-400 uah to enter. Some offer sex there or at your apartment for 3,000 uah, which is overpriced. One place near Arena city is 2,000, unmarked red door + 250 to enter, but the most hot girl was 3,100 which was too overpriced.

Which clubs did you visit?

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, I will only post when there is miss information. 7-10, in Kiev no way, read my previous posts, just almost impossible. They were not there 3 years ago and I am sure it is way worse, now. You can read my previous posts, for more examples. I am one of the few that actually lived in Kiev for over a year, on different occasions.

Spreading this delusion is real reckless. Veterans know the truth but continue to post these exaggerations.

[Riina]

What the majority says here is true and tinder plus mamba work very well. Tinder is going crazy, I have 10-15 plus x chicks per day rolling in, starting to ping after hitting the airport. Scala 8-10. Yep, 70% you have to weed out as they're down the boyfriend / serious route, 2 are not to your liking and either the other 2 you can choose from or then one is out for the bad conditions. Mamba is the best so far, I dated 4 beauties, but had to send 1 away as the profile pic did rather match the overall look, but her appearance went down in the meantime: teeth were a mess, she looked not so well. If you can't score something in the cafs etc, and if you only have time for a few days, eventually you can go below, but 1-3 h cost 100-120 usd. Not many girls negotiate, its pay or bust. Seems they have plenty of requests of men that pay that price. I was wondering that sex with no condoms is on offer? Maybe there are some into this, but its not my cuppa. Seems money is that scarce that I had to buy them.

Thanks to mamba I have 2 more coming, both I have, dated' prior to my arrival. Also its true that unless you are in town, communication is 100% business oriented and the girls focus on today only. That's it for now.

Photos or it ain't real. LOL.

[ShawMan74]

I see so much written about kharkiv here in the Kiev board, but the actual kharkiv board has nothing in it corroborating the high reviews. From my experience in life, REAL talent has a raging fire in its belly that can only be satisfied by venues that host a robust marketplace, it has ZERO tolerance for the idea of languishing in the oblivion of limited opportunity. That goes for everything, not just the hobby. The kharkiv board seems to agree. And the absurd lack of pics seems to support this claim.

There's an abundance of videos out there now of amateur adventure travelers who go to the most remote areas of earth. The only thing waiting for anybody in these places, is a whole lot of nothing. Don't be telling the forum that the 18 year old Emily Ratajkowski just hangs out at tsalbo oblast bustation all day long handing out bbbjs for a pocket full of candy corn. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

[PhotoSlider]

Your information is nothing less than par excellence. If you're there in Kiev between July 17th and Sept. 19th...

September should be better for you, when students return to classes and wider selection becomes available. So, be prepared for an uphill battle in July and August.

Also, if I am not mistaken, you do not speak Russian. I do. There are different schools of thought on this subject, I personally think it helps me to establish stronger relationships without spending too much time and money.

[Sofiy]

1 Month in Kiev.

I was in Kiev 2 years ago in summer 2017. A lot has changed since then.

Before, the apartment scene was bad. Most places you called were outcall (to your hotel) only. This meant you had to wait 1-2 hours for a girl to show up. 50/50 she was older or fatter. In 2 months I only found 1 apartment I could visit, and it was bad service.

But. Erotic massage spas were plentiful and great. You could find them easily on google maps. Prices were 600-700 uah per hour.

Odessa was much better for in call apartments so I went there instead, also Kharkiv. But Kiev has the best massage spas.

This year in 2019, I have been for 1 month. Visited almost 10 massage spas. They are all bad now. Either old and fat or overpriced. Advertised prices said 700-1000. Arrived and they wanted 1,200 uah without touching. 1,300-1,500 gets you a normal happy ending and touching of intimate areas and a bad massage. In 2017, there was Salon Dolly, and a few other ones I can't remember the name of that gave great massages and were 600 uah. Now it's double the price. Any idea why, or what happened? And why did Dolly shut down?

Good news is for sex Kiev in summer 2019 is good. All places I have called accept incall to their apartment. Prices have ranged from 1,300 uah - 1,800 uah.

1,100 - Pattaya Massage + Happy Ending. In a cave, nice place. Three girls, all chubby. Not worth visiting again.

1,600 - Sex. I was lucky, the first place was a good one. Okay apartment in the center. 1,300 one our. Beautiful girl. 20 years old. Nice body. I went to her again 4 times!

1,600 - Sex. She went back to her hometown. I took another girl, 20 years old. A little bit chubby. Also okay. The other girl there was attractive but 32+ years old.

1,800 - Sex. Busy apartment near Arena City / Gulliver. 2 chubby girls for 1,700 each, I said no. Two more girls from upstairs apartment came down. One was blonde, short haired, beautiful. Okay experience overall.

1,300 - Sex. A bit out of the center. 25 minute taxi. Hard to find, old large apartment building. 3 girls, all attractive. Took the 27 year old. Good value.

Strip Clubs. All cost 250-400 uah to enter. Some offer sex there or at your apartment for 3,000 uah, which is overpriced. One place near Arena city is 2,000, unmarked red door + 250 to enter, but the most hot girl was 3,100 which was too overpriced.

Massage Parlors. All have been overpriced, bad or shut down so far. Example: Relax. Advertised 700-900, wanted 1,400.

Overall. Ukraine and Kiev is hit or miss. You need 1-2 months to find good places even trying everyday. Girls come and go. Places open and shut. You need to speak a little basic Russian, or you will overpay. If paying 80 euros, just go to Germany or Barcelona instead, it's easier there. No BS. Athens has 20 euro red light brother streets. Kiev is 30% more expensive than Kharkiv. Odessa is similar to Kiev. I love coming to Ukraine but would never recommend it to anyone coming for less than 4 weeks who does not speak Russian.

Looking for. If anyone knows of a good Massage place that is 1,000 uah an hour or less with attractive thin, under 25 girls, including touching, tell us. In Kharkiv and Odessa, the price is 600 uah for 1 hour.

[Trent23]

What the majority says here is true and tinder plus mamba work very well. Tinder is going crazy, I have 10-15 plus x chicks per day rolling in, starting to ping after hitting the airport. Scala 8-10. Yep, 70% you have to weed out as they're down the boyfriend / serious route, 2 are not to your liking and either the other 2 you can choose from or then one is out for the bad conditions. Mamba is the best so far, I dated 4 beauties, but had to send 1 away as the profile pic did rather match the overall look, but her appearance went down in the meantime: teeth were a mess, she looked not so well. If you can't score something in the cafés etc, and if you only have time for a few days, eventually you can go below, but 1-3 h cost 100-120 usd. Not many girls negotiate, its pay or bust. Seems they have plenty of requests of men that pay that price. I was wondering that sex with no condoms is on offer? Maybe there are some into this, but its not my cuppa. Seems money is that scarce that I had to buy them.

Thanks to mamba I have 2 more coming, both I have, dated' prior to my arrival. Also its true that unless you are in town, communication is 100% business oriented and the girls focus on today only. That's it for now.

[PhotoSlider]

Photoslider, YOU are the jewel, stay awesome man! Your information is nothing less than par excellence. If you're there in Kiev between July 17th and Sept. 19th, I'd love to buy you a coffee (or beer).

"Jewel" praise is reserved for young ladies, but thank you.

Sorry about my incoherent flow of conscience, and especially errors, mistakes and inaccuracies. Doing my best reporting on events.

Wish I could join you in Kiev.

[ShawMan74]

Recollecting recent visit to Kiev, I tried to analyze it statistically, and here is what has been found:
... ... ...
Hope this is useful, or at least entertaining.

Photoslider, YOU are the jewel, stay awesome man! Your information is nothing less than par excellence. If you're there in Kiev between July 17th and Sept. 19th, I'd love to buy you a coffee (or beer).

[PhotoSlider]

...In 5 weeks I had 39 different girls. Challenged by my Kiev friend, but definitely not trying to achieve any records. Half of those girls were definitely fuckable, especially after artificial celibacy in the West. That half was good one way or the other. Sufficiently hot looks, passionate, or both...

One more clarification (too bad I cannot edit what has been posted)

What I meant to say above that out of 39 girls 17 were great by appearance or in bed, 8 out 17 were beautiful. That leaves 9 still quite attractive and great performers. 8 were bad.

39 - (8 beatutiful +8 bad) = 23 girls or 60% that I call "definitely fuckable". A little more than half.

Another way to look at it:

39 - (17 great + 8 bad) = 14 girls or 36%. These I have pictures of, and no recollection. Good or bad. And I included them in the above 23 and 60%.

Enough crunching the numbers.

[PhotoSlider]

...I usually get phone numbers from 25-30% of hourly call girls, and transform into an LT regular no more than 5%. That means out 39 I kept 2. And it is precisely that - 2 new girls after my last visit...

Clarification on potential contradiction:

My previous post states that I didn't find anybody new, and here I say I did. Poor verbiage, my bad. Should be more concise and careful.

What I meant to say: I qualified these two girls as LT candidates. One of them I fucked already, and admiration is totally mutual. She actually contacted me first upon my departure. I speak to both of them regularly while away from Kiev now, and expect to meet more than once during next visit. Therefore they are LT candidates. Time will tell if my hopes are justified.

[PhotoSlider]

...There was one more LT candidate, gorgeous lady and great all around, charging only $150 an hour regardless of the length of stay, and allowing all I want plus more, but she travels a lot, and for the last two weeks 2 of LT ladies monopolized my apartment in an alternating pattern almost exclusively...

Correction to the above. It was 150 USD or 4000 UAH for the duration of stay, usually 6-10 hours, regardless of length. One of my favorite performers.

[PhotoSlider]

From everything I'm reading here it looks like it's going to be hard enough to meet girls, but is it a bridge too far to procure a girl who does not smoke? I can't stand girls who smoke on my time, russia was the worst when it came to that. She is compensated to put her lips around ME, not a stinking cigarette HAHA.

I insisted on ordering non-smoking girls + classy, good manners, etc.

And some of the girls were smokers, but they always ask for permission. And I always deny it, as I do not smoke myself, and do not want to smell even a hint of it.

Keep in mind the chain of command:

You call or communicate via Viber with consolidating dispatcher.

Dispatcher talks to an agent, who manages one or several apartments.

They send whichever girl is available and makes sense in terms of logistics right this moment.

At any link this sequence may include someone not telling the truth, and there is no way to confirm reliably, because these days everything is done remotely, unless you physically go into the apartment and sniff them out one at a time.

And one more comment:

- You think she is compensated to do certain things for you.

- Everybody on the girl's side thinks you should compensate for her time, no matter what.

To provider you are no more than a walking ATM, unless you prove you are a reliable repeat customer, and it is in their interest to keep you happy, thus increasing profit.

[PhotoSlider]

Hi guys,

I was in Kiev last week and had good fuck with mamba girls and 2 from apartments. I'm already thinking of my next trip, do clubs in Kiev worth the visit? Any good addresses?

Standard answer: "It depends".

If you have difficulties in clubs of your own country, then it'll be no different in Ukraine. Confidence, body language, ability to pass the visual screening by Kiev girls will play a role.

I know for a fact that some foreign guys scored in Kiev clubs multiple times literally within the last week.

For example if you are a DJ in NYC, or LA, then you can figure it out even if you are 40+.

However, it would be taking it too far, if you think Kiev girls will hit on you just because you walked in.

I am not a good source of information on clubs, but it seems you did fine with Mamba. Read back for 6-12 months, there's always a chance.

[ShawMan74]

From everything I'm reading here it looks like it's going to be hard enough to meet girls, but is it a bridge too far to procure a girl who does not smoke? I can't stand girls who smoke on my time, russia was the worst when it came to that. She is compensated to put her lips around ME, not a stinking cigarette HAHA.