Kyiv

[Vitrea]

I'm simply a sex tourist in Kiev and don't have the experience you guys have, but I have managed to snag a few hot looking girls in their 20's for between $100 to $200 an hour. That may not be a super cheap rate, but they were pretty hot. I would think the cost would have been twice as much in the West for equivalent hot girls.

Can you tell us where or how? Key info. Thank you.

[PhotoSlider]

As for perfumes, I had a girl mention it to me how much she wanted VS Bombshell but couldn't afford it. She said if I got it for her that she'the stay all night and make it seem like our honeymoon LOL. Another made a similar offer for some Chanel #5. They want nice things, usually can't afford it and have no problem trading a night in bed for it.

This is the precise picture, HornyA! And the moment I mentioned VS perfume to that girl today, the whole tone of our conversation has changed. Except we only discussed perfumes versus mist sprays. We didn't talk about sleeping together. No need to. With her attitude success is unavoidable.

This reminds me another girl this past December in Kiev, I am probably repeating myself, please forgive or ignore. She had too many drinks right before going to my place, and I decided to let her sleep it off. Then in the morning gave her proper non-alcoholic drinks for recovery and the towel for shower. In about 20 minutes, totally gorgeous, she found me in the kitchen. I asked if I should make her a breakfast. She looked at me funny, and without a word took me by the hand, and led into the bedroom. I want to see her in May for sure, very badly. Hopefully we shall meet, she agreed verbally.

I know one more member of the Forum. Bringing relatively modest gifts to his ladies in Kiev is followed by unwavering success.

Decent perfume and flowers, it never ceases to amaze me how much they change a good female. I am definitely buying new, not used or fake.

[Knplyklstrfkho]

Hey Anthony,

Get report. I could have not said it better my self. I could care less what you pay. You are completely correct, about High Quality Girls in Kiev. I have said it many times that it is almost impossible for guy to find multiple High Quality Girls in Kiev, but these guys claim they can, and for $100 no way! They are in complete denial and delusional. They continue to double down on there claims, but they are the first one to ask for Referrals or use GIA, which is big scam.

Guys have dogged you, but most of your post are more honest then most of the guys that post on the Kiev page. I am not even sure if someone even go to Kiev, they just make some insane statements. I do not hide my feelings about Kiev or that I have not been there for 3 years, but I did live there and stop going because of the major decline, but I do post about other destinations where you can have High End Girls for the same price or even less then Kiev.

I'm simply a sex tourist in Kiev and don't have the experience you guys have, but I have managed to snag a few hot looking girls in their 20's for between $100 to $200 an hour. That may not be a super cheap rate, but they were pretty hot. I would think the cost would have been twice as much in the West for equivalent hot girls.

[DramaFree11]

And I thought you would be trapped. And answer me that you have already been there.

The fact is: $ 100 for a meeting is portrayed as ridiculous. Instead, a used iPhone 6 or 6's is proposed. But this is already available for $ 150. I already mentioned the source. Of course, there are phones of different qualities. But a Ukrainian knows the true value. So $ 150. Because top quality is not expected. But here a value of $ 200 to $ 300 was given for such a phone. That's not true. So the $ 150 for such a phone is closer to the $ 100. About which you laughed. Here you are still trying to save money. And $ 150 is still not $ 300. Which were proposed for a meeting "in 2019".

In addition: A used telephone can break. What do you do when the phone stops working a month later? Total loss. The girl will be upset. But you would like to continue to meet the girl. What does the plan look like? Will you give $ 300 for the last meeting? And take the phone back? Or $ 100 or $ 150 or $ 200? A new phone is being repaired by the store. Minimum: A used, no longer functioning phone will cause costs. About that the girl will be annoying. Even if a repair costs only 500 UAH.

Funny story, I gave, my Ex-Girlfriend in Moscow my old phone, I told her to trade it in or sell it, this is after paying her rent. 3 weeks later she dumped my ass!

[PhotoSlider]

Admin2 posted a report today on the USASG that I feel is relevant to the recent discussion.

Great post! Somehow I didn't notice it right away.

"Buying financial domination" - what a great way to formulate it! I stupidly used to do it myself 3-4 years ago. Forum helped me not to, at least not as frequently.

[Horny American]

If your girl will be happy with a 6's then go right ahead. Most that I know of don't want older models. No bragging rights there, they want the newest ones etc.

As for perfumes, I had a girl mention it to me how much she wanted VS Bombshell but couldn't afford it. She said if I got it for her that she'the stay all night and make it seem like our honeymoon LOL. Another made a similar offer for some Chanel #5. They want nice things, usually can't afford it and have no problem trading a night in bed for it.

We do ignore, especially those negative trolls drooling for attention and with zero information content besides contempt for anything Ukrainian.

I like your idea of bringing a confirmed perfume for a known contact. I am also not giving away any new iPhones, but do have a simple question. Is it OK to bring a used iPhone?

Let's say I pay $200-300 for a refurbished iPhone 6's, and the girl that I know real well visits me more than once for a very passionate overnight sleepover each time. I am inclined to give her the present when I meet her the very first time, even at the risk of not seeing her anymore for whatever made-up reason. I can afford it, and I like her a lot. I had her before for 5 hours paying only 2000 UAH, and she returned in a few weeks with not a hint of disappointment. Sweet, intelligent, great body, even better attitude, we do have a special connection.

I know Kozerog likes to negotiate the conditions in the open, and I am OK with others doing that, but prefer to go in a more subtle way.

Would you wait till the second or third visit before rewarding the lady you like?

[DramaFree11]

Totally agree.

I used to have those illusions too before and during my first few visits to Kiev, but later realized that the availability quality girls is way lower that I thought, and in most cases you can't get access to them for 100 bucks. You get what you pay for. Golden rule here in Kiev 2019. Guys with handsome looks or fluent Russian may get them at lower costs, but I'm just speaking as an ordinary sex tourist. I could easily find the girls with mediocre looks for $100, but they are not the reason why I visit Kiev. "Go big, or go home" is my motto.

Great point, this is why I stopped going to Kiev. I could meet better looking girls in other destinations for less money and they have much better attitudes.

[DramaFree11]

First: A refurbished iPhone is not a new iPhone. Remember: Ukrainians have a big ego.

Second: You do not know the prices for used electronics. The iPhone 6 or 6's does not have much value in Ukraine. For 4000/4500 UAH every Ukrainian can get you an iPhone 6 / 6's. In very good condition (for example from Radio Rynok). It's about 150 dollars. An iPhone 5's is available for less than 2000 UAH.

Mistress, this is the norm, this guy make the crazy statements all the time. He simply does not care and has had little regard for newbies by his post, his statements do not give accurate picture of Kiev. He thinks it is funny when girls ask him for money or when he is a victim of bait and switch.

[PhotoSlider]

First: A refurbished iPhone is not a new iPhone. Remember: Ukrainians have a big ego.

Yes, having iPhone X or XS bought for credit is typical, but not every Ukrainian has big ego.

Being realistic, this particular young lady suggested 6's herself. She has good manners, that's why I like her so much. Actually she said simply 6, not knowing that it bends.

Girls that try to set me up for iPhone or some other substantial expense have a short life span. I totally understand, that's how they operate, almost semi-automatically, but I do not want to be involved in their distorted perception of reality.

Second: You do not know the prices for used electronics. The iPhone 6 or 6's does not have much value in Ukraine. For 4000/4500 UAH every Ukrainian can get you an iPhone 6 / 6's. In very good condition (for example from Radio Rynok). It's about 150 dollars. An iPhone 5's is available for less than 2000 UAH.

4500 would be 32 G or scratched, or 5's, or bent 6, instead of 6's.

She needs lots of memory for certain reasons. IMO the difference between 4500 UAH and 200 USD is not that radical. I happen to have for free 6's 128 G in great working condition, already tested in Kiev.

But technical parameters and prices wasn't really the question. Please read carefully my previous post.

Question 1: Should I?

Question 2: When?

[Misterxxx]

We do ignore, especially those negative trolls drooling for attention and with zero information content besides contempt for anything Ukrainian.

I like your idea of bringing a confirmed perfume for a known contact. I am also not giving away any new iPhones, but do have a simple question. Is it OK to bring a used iPhone?
Let's say I pay $200-300 for a refurbished iPhone 6's...

First: A refurbished iPhone is not a new iPhone. Remember: Ukrainians have a big ego.

Second: You do not know the prices for used electronics. The iPhone 6 or 6's does not have much value in Ukraine. For 4000/4500 UAH every Ukrainian can get you an iPhone 6 / 6's. In very good condition (for example from Radio Rynok). It's about 150 dollars. An iPhone 5's is available for less than 2000 UAH.

[PhotoSlider]

I shouted at her, asking her to make a choice. Either him, or me (classic trope in Chinese TV series, huh? And she finally surrendered. She wrote that guy that she got a boyfriend and didn't want to talk to him anymore, blacklisted and deleted him upon my request. Similar things might happen again, but I will deal with them when they do, and at least I won this time. It may sounds a little kinky, but the whole process kinda aroused me.

Antony,

Ukrainian girls do these fights for living, share their experiences, and hone the skills with every new partner, serious like you are or even much less important.

She may use her sisters phone, or keep another phone out of your each somewhere. Forbidden fruit in the form of that Turkish delight may arouse her just as much as this ongoing conflict arouses you. At least you are honest in saying that you enjoy all this Brazilian soap opera. IMO, you have lost that fight in the very beginning.

You are right saying that the situation is much better now, because to begin with it was simply terrible in the most unimaginable way. Now, by common standards, it is still unacceptable. Tolerable is not the word to use with the service provider. And that's what she is. You pay, she provides. She has the commodities you need, and she sells them. Happens with girlfriends and spouses just as easily.

If you chose to stay with her for a year or more, it is 60 grand a year. I certainly see girls in Kiev having even more lavish budgets allocated by their admiring sponsors.

For myself the perfect exit would be to make the passionate love to this beauty, terminate the lease on her apartment, and pay the landlord to change the lock and key, with no further contacts with the princess.

Now the question is, how much should you, Antony, pay for finding another more compliant young lady, that treats you properly? And would you be equally satisfied with a submissive girl that fulfills your every erotic desire? Again, not some self-proclaimed Casanova like myself and many others on the Forum, but specifically you, Antony.

5000 USD a month? That's not enough if you pay GIA / KEC directly, or even make a separate arrangement with one of their girls.

5000/30 = 167 USD. Per day. Finding a physically attractive young student for this much money is possible, but difficult, especially for a non-native speaker, visiting frequently, but not residing.

She knows that, you know that. As Al Pacino said in Godfather:

Difficult, but not impossible.

[PhotoSlider]

I'll never be able to understand one dimensional talk of nines and tens. There is so many factors that play into a good mongering experience that goes well beyond physical beauty.

Physical beauty is just one of perhaps six different dimensions or metrics that I can come up with thinking about a certain girl.

And for myself those six exclude sex.

Sex in itself requires at least five parameters, but I am rather plain vanilla. True connoisseurs may use more.

The value of each parameter along its dimension can be measured on the scale from 1 to 10. As has been explained before 10 doesn't mean something that can never be achieved. 10 simply means top 10%. Likewise, when we say the girl is at least an 8, it means she is better than 70% of population. That is why the true outliers I sometime measure as 21, or even 30. Because such is the definition of an outlier in the mathematical statistics.

The trick is in defining criteria for comparing. For myself kissing is important, so is girl's class and style. I assess those separately from physical beauty.

One of defining factors for me is if I would be willing to take her to Theater. Not if she would agree, but is she good enough to be taken.

I could care less about fucking the model. And I did fuck those as late as last December, but it wasn't my goal, and with years passing by it becomes less and less so. Make no mistake, I do value physical beauty.

So, yes, Riina, labeling a girl 5 or 9 doesn't make sense to me either.

[PhotoSlider]

...Sum it up, you can find whatever you want with some work. Ignore the negative idiots or you'll go crazy dealing with them.

We do ignore, especially those negative trolls drooling for attention and with zero information content besides contempt for anything Ukrainian.

I like your idea of bringing a confirmed perfume for a known contact. I am also not giving away any new iPhones, but do have a simple question. Is it OK to bring a used iPhone?

Let's say I pay $200-300 for a refurbished iPhone 6's, and the girl that I know real well visits me more than once for a very passionate overnight sleepover each time. I am inclined to give her the present when I meet her the very first time, even at the risk of not seeing her anymore for whatever made-up reason. I can afford it, and I like her a lot. I had her before for 5 hours paying only 2000 UAH, and she returned in a few weeks with not a hint of disappointment. Sweet, intelligent, great body, even better attitude, we do have a special connection.

I know Kozerog likes to negotiate the conditions in the open, and I am OK with others doing that, but prefer to go in a more subtle way.

Would you wait till the second or third visit before rewarding the lady you like?

[AntonySun1996]

Hey Anthony,

Get report. I could have not said it better my self. I could care less what you pay. You are completely correct, about High Quality Girls in Kiev. I have said it many times that it is almost impossible for guy to find multiple High Quality Girls in Kiev, but these guys claim they can, and for $100 no way! They are in complete denial and delusional. They continue to double down on there claims, but they are the first one to ask for Referrals or use GIA, which is big scam.

Guys have dogged you, but most of your post are more honest then most of the guys that post on the Kiev page. I am not even sure if someone even go to Kiev, they just make some insane statements. I do not hide my feelings about Kiev or that I have not been there for 3 years, but I did live there and stop going because of the major decline, but I do post about other destinations where you can have High End Girls for the same price or even less then Kiev.

Totally agree.

I used to have those illusions too before and during my first few visits to Kiev, but later realized that the availability quality girls is way lower that I thought, and in most cases you can't get access to them for 100 bucks. You get what you pay for. Golden rule here in Kiev 2019. Guys with handsome looks or fluent Russian may get them at lower costs, but I'm just speaking as an ordinary sex tourist. I could easily find the girls with mediocre looks for $100, but they are not the reason why I visit Kiev. "Go big, or go home" is my motto.

[AntonySun1996]

I'll never be able to understand one dimensional talk of nines and tens. There is so many factors that play into a good mongering experience that goes well beyond physical beauty.

Exactly.

Rating a girl is a subjective thing as standards by which mongers rate girls differ a lot. Some people are attracted to tall blondes, some may prefer petite brunettes, others may just go after the girls with nice attitudes and charming characters and don't care much about looks. While I do agree that other factors like attitudes are key to the quality one's mongering experience, I personally regard physical beauty as the priority. YMMV but from my observation in general the more beautiful a girl is (or she thinks she is), the more likely she tends to have bad attitudes (with exceptions of course). You have to find compromise between these two frequently conflicting factors, and for me as long as the attitudes are not terrible enough to hinder my erections I would usually consider physical beauty as more important. I can get a real girlfriend with a 6-7 look by my standards for free in my hometown, so I don't come to Kiev with money in my pocket just trying to find girls with decent attitudes. I'm looking for real Slavic beauties, and these beauties by my standards are rare in Kiev nowadays, which is why I pay the controversial amount to the beauty I found. Although, as other forum members have pointed out, she didn't quite respect me at first, I did manage to make her change a bit. The frequency of occurrence of her unpleasant behaviours has significantly decreased following my fierce reactions. They do still happen at times, but have become more tolerable. I also forced her to delete and blacklist a guy with whom she flirted on whatsapp after I snooped through her phone while she was asleep (yeah, huge invasion of her privacy, I know). The guy was Turk from the south of Russia and they sent half nude photos to each other. Although no evidence showing that they already have had sex was found, he did mention that he would come to Kiev to visit her soon and she agreed to meet him. I was pissed off and had a fight with her. I admit that I was wrong in the first place when snooping her phone, but that's nothing compared to her deeds. Monogamy was never agreed between us, but at least I have the right to know when she wants to have sex with other guys for sanitary reasons, since we perform unprotected sex now. Also, she lied to me on 25 February claiming that she was busy shopping and couldn't take my phone calls, while actually she was doing a video chat with that guy. This is unacceptable. I shouted at her, asking her to make a choice. Either him, or me (classic trope in Chinese TV series, huh? And she finally surrendered. She wrote that guy that she got a boyfriend and didn't want to talk to him anymore, blacklisted and deleted him upon my request. Similar things might happen again, but I will deal with them when they do, and at least I won this time. It may sounds a little kinky, but the whole process kinda aroused me. She now has set passwords on her phone, but I have had more reasons to ask for access to her phone in the future due to the fact she has cheated on me. Compared to western countries, seeing each others phones between boyfriends and girlfriends is a quite normal thing in Ukraine as far as I know, and since she has said that she is my girlfriend, I will definitely try to get access to her phone with her permission, and further ask for absolute monogamy. I'm curious to see how far it could go.