Kyiv

[DramaFree11]

Haha give me a break. Things are slowly changing but Ukraine is still one of the more racist countries in the world.

Times are changing, I am the positive person now. Ukraine's are very tolerant.

[Member #4722]

I found the opposite m. Ukraine People are very tolerant and open.

Haha give me a break. Things are slowly changing but Ukraine is still one of the more racist countries in the world.

[DramaFree11]

Language barrier is a major problem here. Sometimes even if you are interesting, your limited language stills will prevent the girls from finding you interesting.

I had very few issues with language. They understand English when they want. Google Translator work great is there is a problem.

[Riina]

. Girls in Kyiv do not want a boring guy just like any other city. They will just be willing to overlook your age or looks for less money than most other European girls.

If you mean they are looking for an interesting guy, I completely disagree with you. They are looking for a man that will feed them and keep feeding them and then feed them some more. And if you stop, bye bye relationship. Absolutely true about overlooking age and looks. But you have to be the kind of man that accepts himself as a walking ATM. You have to be understanding to the fact they'll never appreciate anything you give. Most men don't have the strength or the sense of reality to play the cards in their favor.

[AntonySun1996]

Seems a lot of you guys that are complaining are looking more for love or serious attention. Money will get her to fuck you, but it will not make her interested in you if you are boring and expect her to just lay in bed for six hours. That is called sleeping. Kiev is not some miracle city just because you have a little bit of money. It is just a city for people that love Slavic girls and they are much easier to get because of their low salaries. Girls in Kyiv do not want a boring guy just like any other city. They will just be willing to overlook your age or looks for less money than most other European girls.

Language barrier is a major problem here. Sometimes even if you are interesting, your limited language stills will prevent the girls from finding you interesting.

[DramaFree11]

Just returned from 3 days in Kiev, the girls were plenty and as expected, aged 20 to 30 , but I have to admit they prefer no turks, no indians, no israelis, pm me for contacts.

I found the opposite m. Ukraine People are very tolerant and open.

[Walky23]

Gives me a different perspective about Kiev. Last time I went to Kiev. I wasn't prepared. Couldn't utilise the opportunity. I was mainly relying on backpage.com - lot of catfish.

Correct, takes some work and time, but it's very much doable. Hot girls are everywhere in Kiev, and for much less money.

Easy solution is take that 7 grand and go to German FKK.

Offering $500 a day or $7000 per 2 weeks is actually counterproductive in Kiev. The monger doing this would immediately be identified as a candidate for milking, and will not be respected.

Kozerog feeds his designated beneficiary in modest increments. He also visits Kiev regularly, and his thinking is well balanced, decision making is realistic. I would definitely trust his approach. I also met a few gentlemen in Kiev over the last year, that are successful with hot ladies. Jymondor is another great example of having amazing time with super hot ladies in Kiev. His methodology is posted on this Forum, and I concur that his ladies are exceptional, because I met them in person. They have great appearance, attitude, skills, and are rather affordable.

There are many more examples of success, as well as failure and whining.

[IndusMint]

Just returned from 3 days in Kiev, the girls were plenty and as expected, aged 20 to 30 , but I have to admit they prefer no turks, no indians, no israelis, pm me for contacts.

[TinyHippo]

Seems a lot of you guys that are complaining are looking more for love or serious attention. Money will get her to fuck you, but it will not make her interested in you if you are boring and expect her to just lay in bed for six hours. That is called sleeping. Kiev is not some miracle city just because you have a little bit of money. It is just a city for people that love Slavic girls and they are much easier to get because of their low salaries. Girls in Kyiv do not want a boring guy just like any other city. They will just be willing to overlook your age or looks for less money than most other European girls.

[PhotoSlider]

The mongering scenes in Kiev are complicated and it's difficult to simply tell you what is the best way to find girls, as everyone has his own preferences based on his experiences.

I would suggest you to take your time and read the first 50 pages of this forum (and take notes if necessary). By doing so, you will get a general idea of the current Kiev mongering scenes and will probably figure out which method suits you.

Golden words!

There are no Pimps on this Forum, but sufficient very useful info has been exchanged and posted.

[PhotoSlider]

And I forgot to mention that I have already been introduced to her husband. Fucking her would make the situation a little bit embarrassing, and wouldn't leave good impressions on my girl as well.

That's where we differ, Antony.

I had sex with a girl that was getting ready for her wedding party. Along the way she was confiding in me, asking for advice on certain matters related to her beloved groom. I helped her substantially in many ways, besides money and gifts, because I think she is a decent person and a great young woman. We are still in contact after her marriage. I am happy for her, and for her husband. He is surely the lucky one.

If she decides to consent with me in the near future, I will not refuse. And I will not think badly of her, or her now-husband, or even myself. We are all adults, as long as we play it safe and with mutual respect, polygamy has always been de facto way of life in Kiev. I do not think I am cheating on any of my girlfriends in Kiev. Neither do some of them. Any attempts to limit my freedom would be counterproductive.

In October I had the lady that let me BBBJ, CIM, Greek and more for 2000 UAH overnight including encounter before the dinner. She once pointed out that there is a long black hair in the bath tab, that is not hers. She didn't make a scene, but alluded to the fact that I obviously didn't prepare well enough for her visit. She said she realizes I want to see other women, but asked to keep it away from her attention. I politely agreed, because I totally respect her feelings. But after another visit she became even more controlling and attempted to patronize, so I started having scheduling conflicts and couldn't see her anymore. That's my polite way of kicking them out, as I do not like confrontations.

[PhotoSlider]

Finding a hot girl in Kiev always takes some work but if you do find one start negotiating at way less than 500 no wonder the girls here are getting spoiled.

Correct, takes some work and time, but it's very much doable. Hot girls are everywhere in Kiev, and for much less money.

Easy solution is take that 7 grand and go to German FKK.

Offering $500 a day or $7000 per 2 weeks is actually counterproductive in Kiev. The monger doing this would immediately be identified as a candidate for milking, and will not be respected.

Kozerog feeds his designated beneficiary in modest increments. He also visits Kiev regularly, and his thinking is well balanced, decision making is realistic. I would definitely trust his approach. I also met a few gentlemen in Kiev over the last year, that are successful with hot ladies. Jymondor is another great example of having amazing time with super hot ladies in Kiev. His methodology is posted on this Forum, and I concur that his ladies are exceptional, because I met them in person. They have great appearance, attitude, skills, and are rather affordable.

There are many more examples of success, as well as failure and whining.

2 weeks is more than sufficient to get laid in a very satisfying manner. My method is established contacts plus trial and error plus fast recovery upon failure without complaining.

August is too far away to start collecting contacts now. Most of Kiev ladies forget me and stop responding in a few weeks after my departure from KBP.

I wish I had this much money for two weeks right now. Well, I did in the past. The funny part about my prior adventures in Kiev that no matter how much money I had, all of it was gone except for $100-300 in the end. Then I learned from Kozerog and another well seasoned Forum member, I relaxed and stopped chasing new contacts, relying on existing ones, and adding some fresh, but not as vigorously. By doing that quality of my life in Kiev improved significantly, perhaps three-fold, while expenses went down at least twice, compared to 2017, and five-fold compared to 2016.

No way I would spend $7000 in 2 weeks on a single girl. I did $2600 on 9-10 girl for 11 days, but there are so many great ones available and willing that it becomes disservice to those girls and to myself to fuck only one. Even if fucking is intermingled with sightseeing, dining and attending other cultural events. Half a year ago for 196000 UAH (7200 USD) I had few dozen girls. 70% of them were at least fuckable or better. 20% of them I liked very much. With five of those girls I am in permanent contact now. Why should one limit himself? The more, the merrier! As friend of mine said in 2010:

- More wine and fresh women!

[PhotoSlider]

...Why do you want to plan everything before? 14 days each $ 500 is $ 7,000. You want to spend the money on a woman you do not know. Maybe this woman is not really your type after two days. Maybe you already know after an hour that you do not fit together. You are sitting alone in Kiev. For the rest of the time. Without a plan.

Totally agree with Misterxxx comments on Power550 questions.

Ukrainian girls are not your Hilton hotel room or AirBnb apartment that can be rented for 2 weeks with an assured service level. Approach of the monger in question is similar to somebody's buying hot stock on the financial market, and expecting guaranteed high yield return just because he gave a lot of money. So fucking what? Free market economy doesn't care about expectations. There are certain trends that can be studied though. Preparation, while understanding those trends, is helpful.

My advice is to diversify the investments. Order 2-3 KEC / GIA girls every day upon arrival for 3-4 days, identify the good ones, then negotiate an agreement with a few favorite ones directly. Otherwise there is a risk of getting stuck with a greedy that is not even interested in a repeated customer, and skillful in maximizing the extraction of cash, food, entertainment and gifts.

Kozerog identified a perfect beneficiary for his requirements. He doesn't overpay, he is more than happy with her, apparently so is she. It did take him time and a few tries though to find that young lady.

Paying 7000 USD to a single girl, that one never met before in Kiev, and expecting her to deliver in an impeccable manner day after day for 2 weeks is a wishful thinking. It is not only overpaying, IMO chances of success are less than 30%, even more like 10%. I paid $250/ day to a 9-10 girl for 10-11 days straight, but that was preceded by meeting her twice for multiple hours, and extensive research with a couple dozen other girls before we committed. She was not the only one during those 10 days anyway.

On the surface it seems that committing to a single girl in Kiev helps to simplify. The reality is actually the opposite. Having one or two or even more backup options helps to run the top priority choices in a relaxed manner, without getting disappointed too much when things do not always work out as anticipated. Didn't fuck the beloved one in the morning, contact few others, and someone will oblige.

August in Kiev is doable, but September is so much better. Not muggy, and not cold yet. Freshman students are learning the trade, many more possibilities.

Right now is tough for girls, because there are not so many tourists in Kiev but living expenses for girls themselves are the same. I had multiple desperate requests for wire transfers, that I deferred.

If KEC is too much money then get on mamba. I know for a fact that there are success stories there, even within the last year, despite of what the naysayers and whining losers persistently describe here on Forum without visiting Kiev.

[AntonySun1996]

I am going to be in Kiev for two week in August and thought I was going to use agency girls / websites / clubs to get different women.

I was planning on spending 500 us on girls. I am thinking now if I could find a stunner (8+) just to giver her the 500 a day to be with me the entire time.

This would save time having to look for them / having to turn away bait and switches.

Thoughts on this and how would you all recommend finding someone?

The mongering scenes in Kiev are complicated and it's difficult to simply tell you what is the best way to find girls, as everyone has his own preferences based on his experiences.

I would suggest you to take your time and read the first 50 pages of this forum (and take notes if necessary). By doing so, you will get a general idea of the current Kiev mongering scenes and will probably figure out which method suits you.

[Misterxxx]

I have a few weeks off in August, I am really only into white women. Where would you recommend for a two week sponsor situation?

I would need the place to be interesting on its own, not just for the women.

You have already asked in the Kiev, Moscow and Dnipro (petrovsk) forums. You wrote there that you are in its early 20's. You're ready to pay $ 500 a day. You do not only want to fuck, you also want to have action around it. You are already planning for August. Not for a trip next week.

Summary: You are young, you have money. At that age, getting a girl for less money should not be a problem. Or even for free. Do you look so shitty that you have to offer a woman $ 500 a night? Or do you have no self-confidence?

Do you think the difference between a $ 100 woman or a $ 500 woman is so huge? I've written here once before: I know a woman who worked 4-5 years ago for $ 50. Today she wants $ 300 for a meeting. Why. ? Not because the girl is much better now. Just because people are willing to pay more.

My advice. August. ? Forget Kiev. A summer in the city is hot and uncomfortable. Or would you go to New York in the summer? Buy a ticket to Odessa. Find a good hotel or apartment by the sea. There are enough beautiful women in the summer. If you do not find a woman on the beach, then go to the disco in the evening (Ibiza, Itaka, Bono). For $ 500 you will certainly find a very beautiful woman there.

Why do you want to plan everything before? 14 days each $ 500 is $ 7,000. You want to spend the money on a woman you do not know. Maybe this woman is not really your type after two days. Maybe you already know after an hour that you do not fit together. You are sitting alone in Kiev. For the rest of the time. Without a plan.