Kyiv

[Riina]

Disagree slightly, tell them you are looking to Sponsorship, not all girls want to get married and believe or not a lot of girls have no desire to go to the States. They know that is difficult and chances are they might have to work there and we all know that they are allergic to work. A person also posted about this in the past how most Ukraine girls fall in America, major adjustment in life.

I'm referring to a girls friends. They all have friends looking for greener pastures. I meet some young hot Ukrainians sometimes and I have no chance with them specifically. But they got girlfriends that would kill to come to my country. When they connect me to a FB link of a close friend, first thing I say is boys should help girls and start inferring sponsorship to grab attention. Plus the hot chick I never had a chance with now has a motive to stay friends with me. Try it. It works.

The truth is most girls that land in America eventually become disgusted with Western culture.

[Kozerog]

Getting phone numbers is a must anywhere. Mamba, KEC, agency, street hunting, anywhere! That's the only way to build a reliable network of beauties available for reasonable price. Actually another one is Instagram. Used a lot in Kiev. It doesn't require a phone number, and some girls prefer it over Viber, WhatsApp and Telegram. Almost nobody does Facebook anymore.

$2000 for 19 girls not bad at all. Most of mine were 2100 UAH / hour plus some food and drinks.

Just to clarify, that $2000 for test driving 20 is above and beyond 20 * $150 = $3000 that I pay my current regular for 20 meetings. So $5000 total for 20 test drives, though actually might be more like $6000, since not all the KEC girls are $250 for 2 hours. Many are $350 or higher. Still affordable for me, since I only want a girl three times a week if new girl each time (twice weekly if same girl), so working through 20 girls and $6000 would take 2 months.

I went with 1 hour initially with those hidden agencies, because they make it easy to extend, but now I'm thinking less than 2 hours a bad idea. 1 hour initially is planning for failure, assuming girl will be so bad I will be anxious to get rid of her. Sort of defensive negative cheapskate thinking that always gets me in trouble with women (though it works fine elsewhere in life).

Anyway, this is all a moot point at present since I'm happy with my jewel and she knows I'm coming again this summer: plane tickets bought, apartment reserved.

Here's a question for fellow mongers. Obviously, at some point the man has to get the girl's number, but what do you guys think about giving her your number and / or Instagram initially, if she seems reluctant to give hers? With a civilian, that would be very wimpy and guarantee nothing ever happened. But paying client maybe is different? (Privacy not an issue for me. Nobody cares about me and what I do other than maybe some relatives who I never talk to who'd be happy to see me die soon and leave them am inheritance instead of spending all my money on girls in Ukraine.).

[DramaFree11]

When you're trying to friend any Ukrainian, tell her immediately that you're trying to find a wife in Ukraine. They all have friends that feel socially and economically trapped.

Disagree slightly, tell them you are looking to Sponsorship, not all girls want to get married and believe or not a lot of girls have no desire to go to the States. They know that is difficult and chances are they might have to work there and we all know that they are allergic to work. A person also posted about this in the past how most Ukraine girls fall in America, major adjustment in life.

[Riina]

Getting phone numbers is a must anywhere.

When you're trying to friend any Ukrainian, tell her immediately that you're trying to find a wife in Ukraine. They all have friends that feel socially and economically trapped.

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I currently have a regular escort and plan to stick with her indefinitely if possible, but there's always the possibility of needing to replace her someday, which is why I continue reading this forum, hoping to discover some shortcuts to finding another jewel. Thank you for stating clearly what my cheapskate mind was unable to figure out on its own.

KEC really isn't that expensive if used this way. Suppose I grind through 20 KEC girls at $250 for 2 hours each to find another regular, then arrange to pay this future regular $150 for each meeting of 3 hours outside KEC. So I spend an extra $2000 during my 3 months in Kyiv compared to what I'm spending now, which I can easily afford, contrary to what my cheapskate mind says. In exchange for that $2000, I meet 19 girls besides the future regular, which is worth something even to someone like me who doesn't crave variety, and I avoid who knows how many unpleasant experiences by trying to save money with hidden agencies, which is worth a lot.

Over the course of 2 years I believe I had 8 or 9 GIA-KEC girls. Expensive for short term, even for 2-3 hours, but overall quite good. They kept me happy.

I have personal phone numbers for six of those girls. Nothing KEC can do about it.

One refused to give her phone number, no matter how hard I tried. She was one of the best performers in the bedroom. Later on she decided she can make more money outside of GIA framework, and is not with them for over 2 years now.

Another one was very good in bed, and shitty attitude outside. I did not ask for her phone number. She left GIA, then joined again, and left again.

One graduated University, and either got a permanent job, or got married. Last time she responded on Viber was a year ago. Perfect example of me being forgotten because we didn't meet frequently enough. She was very good. Young, beautiful, shy, didn't talk much, but friendly, smoking hot in the bedroom. Left GIA.

One was good as an escort, great in conversation. But did not deliver in bed and at times was disrespectful. Perhaps my somewhat abnormal personality did not impress her. She was greedy, and I totally understand that relationship with GIA girls is based on money. But most importantly she did not deliver on her potential. Yes I need sex every day, and preferably 2 or 3 times every day: morning, before the night entertainment, and while retiring for sleep. Once in 4-5 days is not enough. So we called it quits after substantial time together.

That leaves four GIA-KEC girls, all of them retired from that Agency. All of them still available and reply to my messages.

$150 for 3 hour meeting is probably reasonable and doable, maybe not with all of them. I paid from $240 for 24 hours with one of the best, all the way to $300 per visit to another very lovely lady, and she stayed with me anywhere from 2 to 10 hours on multiple occasions.

All of the above 6 ladies gave their personal phone numbers while meeting with me for the very first time. I can explain my approach via PM. Riina's advice (after 2/3 meetings) might be more reliable.

GIA gave more freedom to their girls, compared to other lower class agencies, where girls have their smartphones checked, and a multi-level penalty structure is implemented for policy violations. But GIA-KEC takes away 60%, and girls rent their own apartments. Therefore unauthorized contacts with customers are almost inevitable.

Anyway, about 30% of lower class agency girls gave me their phone number on the first meeting. Somehow with me they either give the phone number right away on the first try, or they do not even when I ask after the second or third meeting.

Getting phone numbers is a must anywhere. Mamba, KEC, agency, street hunting, anywhere! That's the only way to build a reliable network of beauties available for reasonable price. Actually another one is Instagram. Used a lot in Kiev. It doesn't require a phone number, and some girls prefer it over Viber, WhatsApp and Telegram. Almost nobody does Facebook anymore.

$2000 for 19 girls not bad at all. Most of mine were 2100 UAH / hour plus some food and drinks. About the same. Plus for good ones I had mini presents: good cosmetics. Small size lotion cream. Do not recall who recommended it: Riina or Rog123? And I did not register when giving away that mini-present resulted in a phone number, because my criteria was different. Presents given away to girls that made me very happy.

Cheers!

[DramaFree11]

I currently have a regular escort and plan to stick with her indefinitely if possible, but there's always the possibility of needing to replace her someday, which is why I continue reading this forum, hoping to discover some shortcuts to finding another jewel. Thank you for stating clearly what my cheapskate mind was unable to figure out on its own.

KEC really isn't that expensive if used this way. Suppose I grind through 20 KEC girls at $250 for 2 hours each to find another regular, then arrange to pay this future regular $150 for each meeting of 3 hours outside KEC. So I spend an extra $2000 during my 3 months in Kyiv compared to what I'm spending now, which I can easily afford, contrary to what my cheapskate mind says. In exchange for that $2000, I meet 19 girls besides the future regular, which is worth something even to someone like me who doesn't crave variety, and I avoid who knows how many unpleasant experiences by trying to save money with hidden agencies, which is worth a lot.

Good advice, I use the same strategy every country I visit, I have great success with this, with the exception of Tijuana, I can not get service cheaper, but can longer periods. I have had great luck with this in Moscow and Monterrey.

You are correct $250 is way too much in Kiev, I do not pay that much in Moscow.

[Kozerog]

It's my experience that if you meet any agency girl that you like and she likes you, you're almost guaranteed to get her number on the third meeting. Agencies have their rules, but a good customer is irresistible to a Ukrainian escort. A lot can happen from these types of relationships.

You can grind through the cheaper agencies and get the same results. But once again, this takes time.

I currently have a regular escort and plan to stick with her indefinitely if possible, but there's always the possibility of needing to replace her someday, which is why I continue reading this forum, hoping to discover some shortcuts to finding another jewel. Thank you for stating clearly what my cheapskate mind was unable to figure out on its own.

KEC really isn't that expensive if used this way. Suppose I grind through 20 KEC girls at $250 for 2 hours each to find another regular, then arrange to pay this future regular $150 for each meeting of 3 hours outside KEC. So I spend an extra $2000 during my 3 months in Kyiv compared to what I'm spending now, which I can easily afford, contrary to what my cheapskate mind says. In exchange for that $2000, I meet 19 girls besides the future regular, which is worth something even to someone like me who doesn't crave variety, and I avoid who knows how many unpleasant experiences by trying to save money with hidden agencies, which is worth a lot.

[Riina]

For 2 days visit, - totally! Former GIA, or Kiev escort club, as it is known now, might be a better fit. There is some level of reliability with KEC girls. Short term visit typically means you pay more, unless there are verified contacts available from previous visits.

https://kievescort.club/

KEC is a good start. It's my experience that if you meet any agency girl that you like and she likes you, you're almost guaranteed to get her number on the third meeting. Agencies have their rules, but a good customer is irresistible to a Ukrainian escort. A lot can happen from these types of relationships.

You can grind through the cheaper agencies and get the same results. But once again, this takes time.

[FuckedUpSwede]

How did you find this club? I recall someone here mentioned it about a year or so ago. Not really as a place with working girls, but picking up civilians was possible.

Yup, this the kind of place with trance music on high volume and boys / girls looking like walking dead in front of a stroboscope (or at least I hope it is). I have no intent of finding a girl there. I like the trance experience and have been going to this kind of clubs for 26 years. The main occupants are quite often gay males and that's why it is good to bring a female to raise your chances to get in (they want a better mix).

I truly believe your financial resources far exceeds mine P.S., I am only a poor engineer. I see the mongering part more like the icing on the cake than the main event. When I go to Kiev my main goals is to stroll around and absorb the town and later visit this club. If I can end the visit with some Caucasian lovemaking it would be great fun. I was in Frankfurt some time ago visiting a FKK on the day, fucking like a rabbit, then moved on to a great club until morning. Perfect combination. I did the same thing in Seville a week ago. I think working girls are exciting because they are honest, the fucking part is not that great according to my very limited experience.

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Yes I see this as a most realistic scenario, not that I am that handsome but working girls are very good at selling their product. In which case I plan to rent an apartment within walking distance.

If you mean next to club "Closer", well AirBnB shows apartment within 5-7 minutes walk. How did you find this club? I recall someone here mentioned it about a year or so ago. Not really as a place with working girls, but picking up civilians was possible.

The reason for my interest in Kiev was originally that I need to go to Tel-Aviv in the beginning of April and the transit thru Kiev is convenient. Then I thought. What the heck, I have not seen Kiev so why not stay a day or two in the transit. Now I may go there just for pleasure before that!

I did precisely that in 2014. Expected a stopover in Amsterdam on my way from Greece, and then, what the heck, decided to fly through Kiev instead. Changed the flights.

36 hours, 6 girls. One of them, 20 yo shy sweetheart at the time, is my favorite GF now Cabaret "Mandarin" was working in those days, I took Albina for $300, she was still young, lovely legs, superb skills! Before departing for the airport we ordered 2 girls, for me and my friend. I didn't like either one. But we kept both, and I ordered 2 more from the Agency that doesn't exist anymore. Kiev agencies are like mushrooms on the rainy day. Better ladies arrived, both went with me upstairs, and there was some confusion when they saw the other two still at our apartment. I chose Lana, she looked around, and suggested to do threesome WMW:

- Let's take Tanya as well. It is not proper to leave her there.

It was good fun. Probably one of my best 36 hours in Kiev. This December 2018 is comparable with 5 girls in the last 40 hours before the airport. All of the girls I knew from before. One was fun, and I am probably done with her. The other 4 I would repeat again and again and again any time!

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I recommend calling the girls at Gia as to not waste time. However, Kiev is about short term financial relationships. So work on that if you stick around.

For 2 days visit, - totally! Former GIA, or Kiev escort club, as it is known now, might be a better fit. There is some level of reliability with KEC girls. Short term visit typically means you pay more, unless there are verified contacts available from previous visits.

[Riina]

Now I may go there just for pleasure before that!

I recommend calling the girls at Gia as to not waste time. However, Kiev is about short term financial relationships. So work on that if you stick around.

[FuckedUpSwede]

- Fuck this club, let's go to your place right away, as you are so handsome, and since my high school teenage years I had a dream of making passionate love to a Swedish boy!

That's where you need to decide to stay at the Club or go for extra-curriculum activity.

I must say your posts are very amusing to read.

Yes I see this as a most realistic scenario, not that I am that handsome but working girls are very good at selling their product. In which case I plan to rent an apartment within walking distance.

The reason for my interest in Kiev was originally that I need to go to Tel-Aviv in the beginning of April and the transit thru Kiev is convenient. Then I thought. What the heck, I have not seen Kiev so why not stay a day or two in the transit. Now I may go there just for pleasure before that!

[Misterxxx]

Don't forget to wish your Ukrainian girlfriends Merry Christmas today!

Too late. The correct date for Christmas wishes is the 6th of January. After 6 pm.

It is the traditional time. Then all families sit together and eat 12 dishes. Including "Kutia". A buckwheat meal.

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I'm really glad to hear that!. Then I will try to solve another problem of mine in the process. The sort of club I want to visit in Kiev is often a bit picky. It is normally easier to get in if you are in company with a lady. I could pay her full price to enter the club with me for an hour, give her some drinks if she wants, and then she can choose to party on with me without payment and then follow me to my apartment and the meter starts ticking again at full rate. She can with this setup potentially go and meet with another monger while I party and then meet me at my apartment. Probably she will choose this and that do not bother me since this kind of clubbing experience is quite a solo thing for me anyway. Win win or am I to logical again and will be rejected?

If you try to explain the whole arrangement to your lady beforehand, she will find it too complicated and may reject.

She can agree to the offer of escorting you to the club (without sex) for an hour, and I would not prepay.

I would also state that if there is chemistry between the two of you, you can extend later on, but do not go into particular details.

If she doesn't find any alternative inside the club, and she thinks you are "palatable" she herself will ask you to extend before the hour expires. That's when you can suggest to hang out at the club together for a bit, and pay for an hour at your place, again, assuming you do not find anybody better yourself. At this point she will either say "Fuck it!" and disappear in an unknown direction to continue her hunting, or she will say:

- Fuck this club, let's go to your place right away, as you are so handsome, and since my high school teenage years I had a dream of making passionate love to a Swedish boy!

That's where you need to decide to stay at the Club or go for extra-curriculum activity.

Forgive my saying all the obvious things. I assume this is how you wanted to approach it yourself in the first place.

Kiev modus operandi is go-with-the-flow. For me, it is next to impossible to calculate the night before how my next day will play out. I may have a reliable GF lined up, and at the last moment she will say "Sorry, darling, I can't tonight". Or deliberately have nobody planned at all, and around 6-7 pm, with one lady already on the way, the other one would be demanding to meet right now, because later she has other plans, leaving no room for negotiation. And that's the beauty of it in Kiev.

This September I was chasing Ukrainian girls in the most promiscuous manner, and as great as it was, I certainly admire what one of distinguished Forum members showed me when we met in Kiev. He was calm, relaxed, confident and content. He screened the girls one after another, and kept only one per day. I switched to his approach, except not much screening was required due to already established base, and both of us sharing contacts. Some of the days I've been wondering if tonight I would be alone, and "alas", it never happened.