Kyiv

[Mike Anderson]

Hi there guys,

First let me thank you for all the good info shared here.

I've to Kiev in the past and I am considering going to two places I haven't been at.

1. Paradise Cabaret as it is very close to my hotel. My main question is whether you can take a girl out or use the VIP rooms (which you can book for an hour) for more than a dance?

2. I was at Dolly massage place, and the girl wasn't nice and very technical. The place itself is very rundown.

So I was thinking of trying http://vipmassage.kiev.ua anyone has experience with that place?

Cheers,

Mike.

[JeffAA]

This is my first post here in these forums, I'm writing this in response to Rog123 and DramaFree11 comments about guys not sharing their experience from the trips and giving tips to other fellow mongers, this is a short guide to mongering in Kiev, I hope it will help other guys who read the forums.

• Note 1 : I've been visiting these forums for years and the information I got helped me a lot and this is how I pay back and give respect to other mongers who share their experiences and help others have happy times.

• Note 2 : this guide is from my own experience in Kiev and I will try to hit all the right spots for a cheerful visit. However some points in this guide might be based on my personal preferences » (we don't all like blondes) .

An objective summary about my trips:

I have been to Kiev many times (mainly from may to October every trip for 4 to 5 days) , each trip I booked an apartment because it gives me a better sense of privacy and an easier mongering, some from booking.com some from airBnb, in general the apartments were cheap sense I shared the cost with friends. A mongering trip should have a strategical place to stay in that's why you book a place near Khryshatyk street. I never had an apartment more than 10 minutes away from khryshatyk street, from me its easier for getting a taxi from a club or anywhere else, once you are familiar with the street in Kiev it will make your life easier.

Now, a summary of ways I had "Fun" in Kiev followed by few tips.

1. Agencies » there few agencies in Kiev that you can call or message via whatsapp, viber, telegram. If you are visiting in the summer there even might be few guys in the street handing out cards with numbers you can call or text, they usually send you pictures of girls they have that you can book with the price per hour (from my recent trip it was 2000 gryvna + 200 for taxi) sure you can get cheaper or even bargain with them.

My main agency is GIA aka Kievescortclub, they don't have the cheapest rates but they are trustworthy I'll give them that and they have few gems here and there, am saying this because the girls on their site change from time to time, some leave and then new ones join, and sometimes you just regret not having a second appointment (Damn you Rita!!) because the girl was truly unbelievable. Again I saw few fellow mongerers complain about the rates of the agency and that few years back they weren't the same. Honestly if the prices are too high for you then this agency isn't for you there are other ways.

• IF you are traveling with a tight budget don't waste your money on this agency.

• I'm not a rich guy (a little bit above middle class maybe) and there is no logical explanation on why I use this agency when I have cheaper alternatives, that said, I like this agency, sometimes they have pretty girls who speak a decent English which is important for me as my "dates" are usually 2-3 hours minimum and { I'm not just a love machine} , sometimes these conversations your have between your "efforts to please" are delightful.

There are few Agencies hiding in girls profiles on the Topescortbabes (search in google) site, I've texted several some were realy independent girls who asked for high rates per hour ranging from 60 $/ h to 200 $/ h.

• TIP: if you find an independent escort girl ask for recent pictures and if you like what you see ask for a short video call just to make sure you are not getting scammed.

2. Dating apps: the most useful App for me was mamba (I had a one time success on Badoo) it's filled with independent girls with rates ranging from 50 $/ h to 150 $/ h. IF you have time to spare in Kiev you should try texting some girls that you liked on mamba and see who responds, its time consuming but on the other hand there is a chance you'll find a free date with a local girl especially during summer time. AGAIN!! Its time consuming from my own experience (lets just say I am not the handsome guys you can find, I have acceptable appearance and I'm content with that) .

TIP: I spent like 2 $ on the premium mamba for a week, I guess that helped me in someway.

3. StripClubs. I have "limited" experience with strip clubs in Kiev as I have tried only Rio Club.

RIO club » entrance fee is 500 gryvna = 18 $ approximately (a private dance also costs like 18 $ to 30 $ , I don't know how they determine the prices) , you get in some days its crowded somedays its not, booking a table is good choice they have a site and a phone number to call, the bartenders and waitresses speak decent english the staff was nice and eager to please you, in my own opinion I think they have a striping girl for every mans taste (some are busty, some are slim, some are blonde, short, tall.) .

YOU can get a private dance see if you like the girl and then ask her if she wants to come to your apartment (sometimes the girl asks you if you want to take her) witch usually costs 300 $ for 3 hours, the girls don't leave for less than 3 hours so there are pros and cons to the price.

» » I just want to say that your attitude is the key to a happy stay in a strip club, here are some tips regarding that matter:

A) tipping is really appreciated by the workers not just the girls in this club and they show it in a good way. I usually tip 50 UAH to 100 UAH.

B) IF you want to put money in a girls G String the minimum is 50 UAh = 1. 8 USD (come on guys its not that much) .

C) DON'T get drunk or misbehave because they WILL throw you out.

D) DON't harass the girls or touch without tipping (always show respect they are just as human as you) .

E) don't Rush when picking a girl, I can't stress this enough, she might be the most beautiful girl your eyes ever saw but she also might be the coldest you ever met, happened to my friend and he wished he stayed with me in the club, learn from others mistakes guys.

Note: I spend around 150 $ to have a good time in this club (taking a girl is another thing) , 3-4 private dances including drinks for me and my friends.

Note: this club has 2 sister clubs who are owned by the same owner of Rio, both are good with same prices but they are different from the original (Rio) .

I think I covered a good portion of information in this report, I hope it helps few guys even though I know some guys won't like that the report wasn't budget friendly. But hey, this is my personal experience.

Am visiting Kiev again this year in may or June, and hope I will share new information on these forums.

• I welcome any questions, you can PM me if you want to plan a trip to Kiev, I'll be more than happy to help.

[JeffAA]

This is my first post here in these forums, I'm writing this in response to Rog123 and DramaFree11 comments about guys not sharing their experience from the trips and giving tips to other fellow mongers, this is a short guide to mongering in Kiev, I hope it will help other guys who read the forums.

Note 1: I've been visiting these forums for years and the information I got helped me a lot and this is how I pay back and give respect to other mongers who share their experiences and help others have happy times.

Note 2 : this guide is from my own experience in Kiev and I will try to hit all the right spots for a cheerful visit. However some points in this guide might be based on my personal preferences (we don't all like blondes) .

An objective summary about my trips:

I have been to Kiev many times (mainly from may to October every trip for 4 to 5 days) , each trip I booked an apartment because it gives me a better sense of privacy and an easier mongering, some from booking.com some from airBnb, in general the apartments were cheap sense I shared the cost with friends. A mongering trip should have a strategical place to stay in that's why you book a place near Khryshatyk street. I never had an apartment more than 10 minutes away from khryshatyk street, from me its easier for getting a taxi from a club or anywhere else, once you are familiar with the street in Kiev it will make your life easier.

Now, a summary of ways I had "Fun" in Kiev followed by few tips.

1. Agencies there few agencies in Kiev that you can call or message via whatsapp, viber, telegram. If you are visiting in the summer there even might be few guys in the street handing out cards with numbers you can call or text, they usually send you pictures of girls they have that you can book with the price per hour (from my recent trip it was 2000 gryvna + 200 for taxi) sure you can get cheaper or even bargain with them.

My main agency is GIA aka Kievescortclub, they don't have the cheapest rates but they are trustworthy I'll give them that and they have few gems here and there, am saying this because the girls on their site change from time to time, some leave and then new ones join, and sometimes you just regret not having a second appointment (Damn you Rita! Because the girl was truly unbelievable. Again I saw few fellow mongerers complain about the rates of the agency and that few years back they weren't the same. Honestly if the prices are too high for you then this agency isn't for you there are other ways.

IF you are traveling with a tight budget don't waste your money on this agency.

I'm not a rich guy (a little bit above middle class maybe) and there is no logical explanation on why I use this agency when I have cheaper alternatives, that said, I like this agency, sometimes they have pretty girls who speak a decent English which is important for me as my "dates" are usually 2-3 hours minimum and { I'm not just a love machine} , sometimes these conversations your have between your "efforts to please" are delightful.

There are few Agencies hiding in girls profiles on the Topescortbabes (search in google) site, I've texted several some were really independent girls who asked for high rates per hour ranging from 60 $/ h to 200 $/ h.

TIP: if you find an independent escort girl ask for recent pictures and if you like what you see ask for a short video call just to make sure you are not getting scammed.

2. Dating apps: the most useful App for me was mamba (I had a one time success on Badoo) it's filled with independent girls with rates ranging from 50 $/ h to 150 $/ h. IF you have time to spare in Kiev you should try texting some girls that you liked on mamba and see who responds, its time consuming but on the other hand there is a chance you'll find a free date with a local girl especially during summer time. AGAIN!! Its time consuming from my own experience (lets just say I am not the handsome guys you can find, I have acceptable appearance and I'm content with that) .

TIP: I spent like 2 $ on the premium mamba for a week, I guess that helped me in someway.

3. StripClubs. I have "limited" experience with strip clubs in Kiev as I have tried only Rio Club.

RIO club entrance fee is 500 gryvna = 18 $ approximately (a private dance also costs like 18 $ to 30 $ , I don't know how they determine the prices) , you get in some days its crowded somedays its not, booking a table is good choice they have a site and a phone number to call, the bartenders and waitresses speak decent English the staff was nice and eager to please you, in my own opinion I think they have a striping girl for every mans taste (some are busty, some are slim, some are blonde, short, tall.) .

You can get a private dance see if you like the girl and then ask her if she wants to come to your apartment (sometimes the girl asks you if you want to take her) witch usually costs 300 $ for 3 hours, the girls don't leave for less than 3 hours so there are pros and cons to the price.

I just want to say that your attitude is the key to a happy stay in a strip club, here are some tips regarding that matter:

A) tipping is really appreciated by the workers not just the girls in this club and they show it in a good way. I usually tip 50 UAH to 100 UAH.

B) If you want to put money in a girls G String the minimum is 50 UAh = 1.8 USD (come on guys its not that much).

C) Don't get drunk or misbehave because they will throw you out.

D) Don't harass the girls or touch without tipping (always show respect they are just as human as you) .

E) don't rush when picking a girl, I can't stress this enough, she might be the most beautiful girl your eyes ever saw but she also might be the coldest you ever met, happened to my friend and he wished he stayed with me in the club, learn from others mistakes guys.

Note: I spend around 150 $ to have a good time in this club (taking a girl is another thing), 3-4 private dances including drinks for me and my friends.

Note: this club has 2 sister clubs who are owned by the same owner of Rio, both are good with same prices but they are different from the original (Rio).

I think I covered a good portion of information in this report, I hope it helps few guys even though I know some guys won't like that the report wasn't budget friendly. But hey, this is my personal experience.

Am visiting Kiev again this year in may or June, and hope I will share new information on these forums.

I welcome any questions, you can PM me if you want to plan a trip to Kiev, I'll be more than happy to help.

[Member #4722]

When Everything is so quit in the forum it comes to my mind that so many aspiring punters have used this forum to ask for advice when going to Ukraine for the first time, promising to send a report upon return. To my best knowledge, none have appeared. Maybe their trip was a total failure and they are ashamed of reporting the mistakes. But this is what others can maybe learn the most from.

I think it's just sometimes selfish people. In every forum here on the site you find guys asking questions and promising detailed reports after their trip but it almost never happens. These people have no interest in helping others. I have shared some contacts here in the past via PM without even a "thank you" in return.

[DramaFree11]

When Everything is so quit in the forum it comes to my mind that so many aspiring punters have used this forum to ask for advice when going to Ukraine for the first time, promising to send a report upon return. To my best knowledge, none have appeared. Maybe their trip was a total failure and they are ashamed of reporting the mistakes. But this is what others can maybe learn the most from.

You hit the nail on the head. This happens way more then guys want to admit. Welcome to the real Kiev.

[Guntherus]

When Everything is so quit in the forum it comes to my mind that so many aspiring punters have used this forum to ask for advice when going to Ukraine for the first time, promising to send a report upon return. To my best knowledge, none have appeared. Maybe their trip was a total failure and they are ashamed of reporting the mistakes. But this is what others can maybe learn the most from.

[DramaFree11]

Winter Time in Kiev is a light time, not much is going on.

Interesting Winter time use to be the best time in Kiev, but times are changing. Girls would rather be on Social Media then go out. Also, more people are able to home office now.

[Michi T]

Winter Time in Kiev is a light time, not much is going on.

[PhotoSlider]

Its been 4 days and you could hear a pin drop on this thread as I don' t think anyone who knows the Kiev scene well could've disputed most of the main points in your observations...

In the hindsight I was afraid to alienate half of the Forum by my candor. Glad it was taken in stride. Proves yet again what a great group of contributors we have here.

Next visit I'll attempt to find a balance between so called "monogamy Kiev style", and sports fucking "a la carte" - sampling few new girls every day.

[Michi T]

How did you meet your Georgian girl? I scanned through Tinder, but did not see too many profiles. I guess the only real way is to just in-person. I have yet to go, but love Georgia food and wine. So, it is on my list.

That's actually more a discussion for the Georgia forum. I have no idea about Tinder. I met her in real life. On my first day. She was working in the hotel lobby, I asked her for help with the computer, she helped me, we then talked almost four hours, we liked each other, agreed to meet on that same evening, had some follow ups and in December I will go back to see her. Easy as that.

[Tomster99]

Hi guys,

Planning on mongering in Kiev pretty soon over a few days.

1) Does someone have a suggestion which escort service to use? Seems like quite some gone out of business reading the forum:

2) How is the erotic massage experience? I found Salon Dream, Dolly, Luxmassage and Moulin Rouge. However: the offer a variety of services and prices. Which service would you recommend and what massage outlet?

Thanks guys for your hints.

[Sorbonne]

https://www.facebook.com/stereochicago/

I have no idea what you are talking about. I patronize the above Euro bar posted above regularly just to watch the Ukrainian girls. Polish girls go there too. How do you tell the difference? The Ukrainian girls know how to dress and are about fifteen pounds less. Polish girls are quite open to doing meaningless work like baby sitting and cleaning. That work is an anathema to UKs. I scan FB gallery photos all the time in Ukraine and Poland. The difference could not be more obvious. Are sure you've been to these countries?

I wouldn't claim to know these girls or have been to these countries just by watching them in Chicago or in photos.

[TinyHippo]

Looool! Girls are also attainable and open in Kiev! That's why I will be back there in three days. Meet some of my October girls. But in December will go to Georgia. Again.

Ukraine = very open and very easy to approach but money focused, b i t c h e s
Georgia = conservative and difficult (but I met my girl on first day on arrival - and bingo! no need for other search)

How did you meet your Georgian girl? I scanned through Tinder, but did not see too many profiles. I guess the only real way is to just in-person. I have yet to go, but love Georgia food and wine. So, it is on my list.

[Riina]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe just difference in perception.

But the Polish are certainly not yet in the same league in wealth as the Americans, and it is difficult to believe such mentality has already developed in Poland. As I said, for me at least, I can't walk about my city in Poland without seeing top-notch girls every few minutes.

It should also be noted that girls in Kiev or in larger cities may dress nice, but once outside these cities, it seems most of them, not all, simply cannot afford looking nice.

https://www.facebook.com/stereochicago/

I have no idea what you are talking about. I patronize the above Euro bar posted above regularly just to watch the Ukrainian girls. Polish girls go there too. How do you tell the difference? The Ukrainian girls know how to dress and are about fifteen pounds less. Polish girls are quite open to doing meaningless work like baby sitting and cleaning. That work is an anathema to UKs. I scan FB gallery photos all the time in Ukraine and Poland. The difference could not be more obvious. Are sure you've been to these countries?

[Sorbonne]

Polish girls dress like shit. Greater wealth in Poland actually converts to dressing down as other things are perceived as more important. Kinda like Americans are generally richer then everybody else and dress like crap. Beauty is everything to an Ukrainian girl. Most will never have careers and have to do everything they can to attract the best man possible. It's the reason why the incredible attraction to Ukraine by foreigners.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe just difference in perception.

But the Polish are certainly not yet in the same league in wealth as the Americans, and it is difficult to believe such mentality has already developed in Poland. As I said, for me at least, I can't walk about my city in Poland without seeing top-notch girls every few minutes.

It should also be noted that girls in Kiev or in larger cities may dress nice, but once outside these cities, it seems most of them, not all, simply cannot afford looking nice.