Kyiv

[Michi T]

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Good luck not paying for girls in Kiev almost impossible.
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Why is that? Different mongers, different approaches, different results?

[Michi T]

Will be visiting Kiev soon. Went through quite a few pages and so far it looks like there is an incredible nightlife scene in Kiev. So having entered my early 30's I find my sexuality and confidence level have reached their peaks man, it's like I can't control it. I guess it's all about putting yourself in a difficult spot and learning from the mistakes. The key is to get self conscious and see the externals with clarity. Self indulgence can be the worst enemy I had to pay a heavy price to get here. Anyway I want to do some club hunting while in Kiev and take full advantage of the vast resources that are available. So my targets are semi pros and freebies. What are some cool high end night clubs preferably with good security, bars and an international crowd so it's good for solo hunting? I had previously visited Moscow but the language barrier was a big problem I hope it's not the case in Kiev? Are there any really high end strip clubs other than Rio and Scarlette? I normally hate paying for girls who won't like me back sexually and provide mechanical services, but I wouldn't say no to a luxury looking 175 cm+ tall slim platinum blonde under 25. Is GIA blocked outside of Ukraine, because I can't access it? Thanks in advance.

Your target is "free" and "semi pro" and on the same time you are asking about GIA?

[Totobiscot]

Thanks for your post buddy.

I am going in August and I was starting to be discouraged. I will try your suggestions.

I cannot PM you but if you have some contacts of young spinner with natural top boobs, I would really appreciate, Can you PM me?

Thanks anyway for the nice report.

I've been coming to Kiev 2 or 3 times per year for over 20 years now and in my experience there is still plenty of action to be had if you're willing to either work a tiny bit or open your wallet. It's not as easy as the River Palace days but it's still very good.

In my opinion, most of the guys you see posting here are pessimists and are just never happy. They could have a free night with a famous model or actress and would still complain.

Yes, GIA is gone for now but that was mostly used by guys in town for short trips that didn't have time (or too lazy) to work a tiny bit for some action. Mamba still works well and I use it every single trip. Often it's as easy as simply allowing the app to use your current location and the girls will see that you're actually in Kiev and often contact you. How hard is that? I also send a few messages out to the young cute spinner types that are looking for a sponsor. Mamba has yet to fail me!.

[DramaFree11]

I've been coming to Kiev 2 or 3 times per year for over 20 years now and in my experience there is still plenty of action to be had if you're willing to either work a tiny bit or open your wallet. It's not as easy as the River Palace days but it's still very good.

In my opinion, most of the guys you see posting here are pessimists and are just never happy. They could have a free night with a famous model or actress and would still complain.

Yes, GIA is gone for now but that was mostly used by guys in town for short trips that didn't have time (or too lazy) to work a tiny bit for some action. Mamba still works well and I use it every single trip. Often it's as easy as simply allowing the app to use your current location and the girls will see that you're actually in Kiev and often contact you. How hard is that? I also send a few messages out to the young cute spinner types that are looking for a sponsor. Mamba has yet to fail me!

Rio is nice and my only issue with it would be the travel time I lose since the lady gets 3 hrs from leaving the club to return and if my hotel is 20 min away as an example valuable time is lost. I prefer strip clubs that are in the hotel itself (example Millennium in Hotel Dnipro) to avoid losing travel time. Often it's as simple as walking in, paying the cover, have a drink or two and simply picking out which one you want and heading to your room.

Note: some strippers try to get you to buy multiple drinks (like $30 glasses of wine) or even talk you into a 3 some with another stripper girlfriend by promising a porn style type of time but I doubt you'll actually get your money's worth.

I've met sales girls in shops (ocean plaza has many) and waitresses in restaurants as well. Go have a drink in a bar like Buddha Bar and wait for them to approach you.

My most often used "tool" is the hotel doormen. Strike up a conversation with them, bring up women etc, even offer a small tip and they will for sure be able to hook you up since they know whom to call. My best date ever was actually a doorman's own wife LOL.

So to sum it up, still plenty of action and I would rate most of them in the 7-8 range with a few approaching 9-10.

8-10 in Kiev high unlikely. Normal girls yes.

[DramaFree11]

Will be visiting Kiev soon. Went through quite a few pages and so far it looks like there is an incredible nightlife scene in Kiev. So having entered my early 30's I find my sexuality and confidence level have reached their peaks man, it's like I can't control it. I guess it's all about putting yourself in a difficult spot and learning from the mistakes. The key is to get self conscious and see the externals with clarity. Self indulgence can be the worst enemy I had to pay a heavy price to get here. Anyway I want to do some club hunting while in Kiev and take full advantage of the vast resources that are available. So my targets are semi pros and freebies. What are some cool high end night clubs preferably with good security, bars and an international crowd so it's good for solo hunting? I had previously visited Moscow but the language barrier was a big problem I hope it's not the case in Kiev? Are there any really high end strip clubs other than Rio and Scarlette? I normally hate paying for girls who won't like me back sexually and provide mechanical services, but I wouldn't say no to a luxury looking 175 cm+ tall slim platinum blonde under 25. Is GIA blocked outside of Ukraine, because I can't access it? Thanks in advance.

You are in for a rude awakening. Kiev nightlife is terrible. Money and looks will only help a little. Nightclubs are empty most nights, including Saturday night, Fridays' are marginal. The High End Clubs will be full of Sex Tourists, have fun.

Good luck not paying for girls in Kiev almost impossible.

Moscow is much easier especially the night life. Moscow nightlife is amazing, Kiev's is a joke.

[Riina]

Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer college girls in Kiev looking for foreign guys that is a fact. There are still some, but that is drying up quickly. Also, you need to take into count Ukraine has one of the lowest birth rates in all of the world and this has been the case for years.

True that brother.

[NorskKing]

So you're planning a trip to Kiev and you're going to be Mr. Slick. You'll show the girls how clever and fun you are with your jokes and game..LOL

I am planning a trip to Kiev and I will not show anyone anything about my smartness or money. I will just have one of the best times in my life by giving the girl safe and fun company. That is the only and only goal in my mind. If you have different approach, good for you.

[Horny American]

I've been coming to Kiev 2 or 3 times per year for over 20 years now and in my experience there is still plenty of action to be had if you're willing to either work a tiny bit or open your wallet. It's not as easy as the River Palace days but it's still very good.

In my opinion, most of the guys you see posting here are pessimists and are just never happy. They could have a free night with a famous model or actress and would still complain.

Yes, GIA is gone for now but that was mostly used by guys in town for short trips that didn't have time (or too lazy) to work a tiny bit for some action. Mamba still works well and I use it every single trip. Often it's as easy as simply allowing the app to use your current location and the girls will see that you're actually in Kiev and often contact you. How hard is that? I also send a few messages out to the young cute spinner types that are looking for a sponsor. Mamba has yet to fail me!

Rio is nice and my only issue with it would be the travel time I lose since the lady gets 3 hrs from leaving the club to return and if my hotel is 20 min away as an example valuable time is lost. I prefer strip clubs that are in the hotel itself (example Millennium in Hotel Dnipro) to avoid losing travel time. Often it's as simple as walking in, paying the cover, have a drink or two and simply picking out which one you want and heading to your room.

Note: some strippers try to get you to buy multiple drinks (like $30 glasses of wine) or even talk you into a 3 some with another stripper girlfriend by promising a porn style type of time but I doubt you'll actually get your money's worth.

I've met sales girls in shops (ocean plaza has many) and waitresses in restaurants as well. Go have a drink in a bar like Buddha Bar and wait for them to approach you.

My most often used "tool" is the hotel doormen. Strike up a conversation with them, bring up women etc, even offer a small tip and they will for sure be able to hook you up since they know whom to call. My best date ever was actually a doorman's own wife LOL.

So to sum it up, still plenty of action and I would rate most of them in the 7-8 range with a few approaching 9-10.

[Riina]

You have to make the distinction between prostitutes, semi pros, and girls looking for relationships in Kiev. I'll generalize that about a quarter of all Ukrainian girls fall under these categories. If you read back five years on this thread, you'll clearly see their's no substance here with hard hoes. A quality prostitute has many options outside the country. Mamba was how a foreigner found a semi pro pre crisis, but it's basically now useless. For most older guys, relationships require a consistent presence in Kiev. Think papa figure. A supportive man that's there for you and will show respect, but not interfere with a girl's normal life.

So you're planning a trip to Kiev and you're going to be Mr. Slick. You'll show the girls how clever and fun you are with your jokes and game. LOL.

[MGLbadboi]

Will be visiting Kiev soon. Went through quite a few pages and so far it looks like there is an incredible nightlife scene in Kiev. So having entered my early 30's I find my sexuality and confidence level have reached their peaks man, it's like I can't control it. I guess it's all about putting yourself in a difficult spot and learning from the mistakes. The key is to get self conscious and see the externals with clarity. Self indulgence can be the worst enemy I had to pay a heavy price to get here. Anyway I want to do some club hunting while in Kiev and take full advantage of the vast resources that are available. So my targets are semi pros and freebies. What are some cool high end night clubs preferably with good security, bars and an international crowd so it's good for solo hunting? I had previously visited Moscow but the language barrier was a big problem I hope it's not the case in Kiev? Are there any really high end strip clubs other than Rio and Scarlette? I normally hate paying for girls who won't like me back sexually and provide mechanical services, but I wouldn't say no to a luxury looking 175 cm+ tall slim platinum blonde under 25. Is GIA blocked outside of Ukraine, because I can't access it? Thanks in advance.

[DramaFree11]

I have no intention to start a debate but I am sorry, but I do not agree that game is overrated. Neither do I agree that you need to dream to find nice quality girls in strip clubs. On the contrary, there is more chance to find it as the establishment make efforts to attract better girls. You need to understand one thing, not every beautiful girl have an option to flee the country (maybe most does, but now every girl with opportunity). There will be a large percentage of them who have an unavoidable dependency to be in that city / country. There are also tons of students moving to Kiev from other small villages who can be brave enough to be visible (if they are sure that there is no connection in Kiev that could lead to her family to know about her work).

Anyways, I strongly think that my observation is very strongly contradicting yours, but like I said, I am no expert in Kiev, I am just a psychologist by profession.

Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer college girls in Kiev looking for foreign guys that is a fact. There are still some, but that is drying up quickly. Also, you need to take into count Ukraine has one of the lowest birth rates in all of the world and this has been the case for years.

[Michi T]

... The most important thing in a beautiful Ukrainians life is Instagram and money. Everything else is secondary....

Oh yes, lots of such trash girls there, too many. Most girls are like that. It takes lots of time to find a good girl!

[Michi T]

Hilarious!! Nearly fell of my chair! Brilliant assessment and I did see quite a bit of this on my short trip!!

Me not, I see some other points that help a lot in Kiev (and in any other Eastern European country).

- Be friendly and openminded.

- Be self confident and approach the girls.

- Smiiile and have a good humor.

Etc etc and you shall be successfull.

[Michi T]

...Kiev is in a league of its own. Overall not great but I think it may have been just been me and my first Eastern European experience. I dunno...

Kiev is just amazing! Wow, I had such a great few days. I could not even manage all the meetings and numbers in the end.

Day 1: Land late evening and get quick Taxi to city center (UAH 500 - like $20) after a big of haggling. By the way airport exchange rate sucks better to us an ATM for your first batch of local currency. The hotel I booked was Aloft Kiev. ...

I took troleybus number 9, directly from airport to near aLoft (Besarabian Market) for only 4 UAH. Exchange rate was not at all so bad at the airport.

... She does a bit of make up shopping (she pays)....

Tja, your mistake. I'd have paid for that and bingo. She may have come to room.

Summary, your trip to Kiev sounds like a nightmare.

My journey to Kiev was a full success. I was already shortly after arrival given a phone number by an attractive woman who I never saw before. She was a normal girl, not a working girl. Though, I could not take her straight away to my hotel because I met two other gentlemen from this forum for diner. Therefore I had to meet that woman the other day.

Out of the many fanstatic girls that I met there, I will soon be back in town to meet two of them.

[NorskKing]

The 4 things you need in Kiev to be successful in Ukraine.

1. Time and Street Game.

I will try sometime.

2. Money.

Contradicts with the first point, if it is large money.

3. Reasonable to low expectations.

Understood.

4. Not be afraid of rejection and not easily offended.

Very hard with any person with self esteem, not sure if I even want to experience it.