Kyiv

[Kozerog]

Thanks. What are the recommended sources?

What I did last summer is grind my way through agency girls and independents whose quoted price was near $50/ hour (1300 uah), though I sometimes went up to 2000 uah / hour as my patience with unsatisfactory girls wore out, until I finally found a jewel and then I stuck with her from then on, and I hope to see this same jewel twice weekly this summer (planning 90 days in Kiev). That's really the best approach, in my opinion, at least for those looking for a longer-term GFE situation. Like digging through a scrap heap looking for occasional nuggets of gold.

As to how to systematically perform this panning for gold operation, I really don't have a good answer, but here are a few tips. Don't arrange for more than an hour initially. Be prepared to send girls away if they aren't what was promised in the photos, once you find a good girl or good agency, become a repeat customer.

For those with limited time, the GIA agency is probably best from what I've read here, though I have yet to use them myself.

[Kozerog]

Kiev is a safe place. Anything to substantiate these rumors?

No. I just threw that in for completeness. I use an apartment without concierge myself and I use independents, but I'm aware that there could be problems, so I take the usual precautions, like meet the girl initially outside in the street and look around to see if accompanied by goons, don't leave my drink unattended or let her prepare me a drink, etc. I have pretty good street sense and tend to notice when someone is trouble, so if don't feel unsafe in Kiev myself.

[AntonySun1996]

This time... I started from GIA, deviated a little and ended with GIA.
Excuse my grammar, bad spell and syntax before you start reading below but I want to enliven our forum with my experience.

The usual fuckup on one night in Kiev is just like this - I guess many brothers here make same mistakes. I made too. That's why I recommend you not to repeat mine. You thought you made good contacts with Mamba, Ukrainedates (these girls here are the most real ones I can say, however, they work hard as you can tell so it is impossible to have them on your horny cock clock schedule - in order to get laid these girls, you need to meet at least 2 times - first for assuring them you are not mongers, second time for real show for fuck. If you prefer meeting these girls, you gotta schedule the weekend included. ex. arriving Kiev on Thursday or Friday, meet these girls on Friday when they are a bit loosened up, then Saturday or Sunday for real good fuck), or local dating sites and etc before you came to Kiev. Then, exchanged messages via Viber (most girls use Viber, get Ukrainian sim card such as Lifecell, it is really cheap and it is a MUST to communicate) and made arrangements believing this bombshell hot blonde will come to you because you have Euros or Dollars. Girl shows up and turned out to be ugly, fat, and completely different. Sexy body is not there, she weighs about 70kg..

Nice report. It would be even more helpful if you could mention the name of the GIA girl.

[Mr More]

Stayed there very green, very quiet, even the bar is notbusy good italian restaurant.

Okay. But does that mean the hotel stops you from bringing your own? So many great places to find a girl in Kiev. No girls. But lasagne? .

[Coyle]

1. Try to get your apartment near coffee shop. Morning coffee is important and also, you can use coffee shop for many reasons.

I usually give the address of coffee shop when girl asks. If girls are not my type (usually they wait for you in front of the store), then I can just pass by (because they don't know you), go to coffee shop and get some coffee for next try or try girls in coffee shop or girls serving coffee.

I never failed to get laid the girls working at the coffee stores. Usually, Ukrainian girls work long long hours so, they know they can get extra CASH CASH from tourists and very open to this kind of comfortable way of earning.

2. When you have to leave Kiev, after checking out, you can stay in the coffee shop to wait for your taxi or have coffee shop girl to call the taxi. A lot lower rate you will receive and you can utilize this little chat to break the ice and get girls contact (not only airport, but also "I am going to this Museum, could you tell the taxi driver"? Things like that.).

3. For non-coffee drinker, then, try tea!

Sorry for messy English but I am doing my best to get the experience out for you guys!
Sorry for missing juicy details but you can get those details from others but I am delivering how... .

For girls..
I usually chose those under 30s who never gave a birth. It's tighter (important for me) and they are quite naturally rough and pristine.
You might have different taste but well, this is mine. After all the fucking efforts, you erect and put your stick into it and feel nothing... well, that's huge disappointment, isn't it?

4. For GIA girls,
Try to ask the basic services they listed as "included in price"
Don't try to hurry and fuck and cum. They are human beings and unlikely other girls, they keep their promises as they posted on the website.
Striptease was my favorite thing and also, masturbation show by girl was another thing I truly enjoyed.
The one I really liked.. .she put on such a sexy lingerie and did striptease in front of me while I was doing good thing to my John, oh my god.. .i was on the pornography... didn't need bbj.. i got so hard-on by looking at her only.
Ask GIA girls what they brought on their bag.. use them!

[Coyle]

This time... I started from GIA, deviated a little and ended with GIA.
Excuse my grammar, bad spell and syntax before you start reading below but I want to enliven our forum with my experience.

The usual fuckup on one night in Kiev is just like this - I guess many brothers here make same mistakes. I made too. That's why I recommend you not to repeat mine. You thought you made good contacts with Mamba, Ukrainedates (these girls here are the most real ones I can say, however, they work hard as you can tell so it is impossible to have them on your horny cock clock schedule - in order to get laid these girls, you need to meet at least 2 times - first for assuring them you are not mongers, second time for real show for fuck. If you prefer meeting these girls, you gotta schedule the weekend included. ex. arriving Kiev on Thursday or Friday, meet these girls on Friday when they are a bit loosened up, then Saturday or Sunday for real good fuck), or local dating sites and etc before you came to Kiev. Then, exchanged messages via Viber (most girls use Viber, get Ukrainian sim card such as Lifecell, it is really cheap and it is a MUST to communicate) and made arrangements believing this bombshell hot blonde will come to you because you have Euros or Dollars. Girl shows up and turned out to be ugly, fat, and completely different. Sexy body is not there, she weighs about 70kg. No long legs - she is from Smirf's land. You get frustrated with this fake ones. Then call another girls (You always have somebodies on list, haha, we know) because you want to fuck desperately. Of course, she knows that you are working on other girls - she goes to other cocks for money already. No answers... no calls, now showups. You are now desperate. Time flies. You skipped your dinner (oh brothers,, Kiev has so many good restaurants!) Clock hits almost 10 pm already while your fresh cock is still robust. Then last clock for GIA is 11 pm. Girls passing by in front of you are so fucking sexy. No. I need fuck. Then, you call GIA and all the good GIA's girls are already checked out. And go to RIO and call Relax Kiev... others with your blueballs.

STOP THIS! You probably want to have a backup plan such as getting nuru massage if your cutoff window time hits a certain time (because this girl you've been chatted does not respond - because she is sucking some other guys') or make a reservation with GIA girl you carefully selected.

Well. This time, to avoid above scenes, I've made full 2 day arrangement with the dream girl I chose from GIA's list before flight. GIA responses a lot better when you make an appointment a few days beforehand.
Check the rate per hour when you make an arrangement for days. Yes, it's quite a lot of money but math do and it is rewarding. I had my airbnb manager prepared champagne, roses, food, chocolates prior to my arrival. It was all set and ready to go. Right after the manager handed me the key with a few instructions on how to use the sex nest, everything was ready.
I went outside, couldn't believe my eyes. Such an unbelievable beauty was waiting for me in front of the apartment.
My girl was awesome. It was like having a trophy wife / sex slave / victoria Secret lingerie model / role players / girlfriend / fashion model / lap dancer / sexy cook. Wow, it was really rewarding. Sex was amazing. Some bribe like roses, a little gift lubricated the moments. Having this beauty do what I want in the morning, afternoon, in the public bathrooms, not to mention at night. Having this girl sitting next to me and watching her sucking my cock when Sun is high, it was quite an experience - normally that is the time when my stress is high with those assholes at work.. isn't it? or taking a nap together (GIA girls over day appointment do not sleep good on the first night, you gotta remember - no wonder.. suggested taking a nap.. cuddled a little but it just got me eroused to have someone new sleeping, apologized for excited condition, fucked her harder than before.. then we fell asleep together.. Guys, I fucked and fucked and fucked.

After 2 amazing days, I wanted to try mamba girls. As I said, these mamba girls are not those innocent student girls anymore.
One girl showed up. Since I didn't reveal my photos, she could not recognize me. I walked by this elephant pig and came back to my apartment and sent a message, "get the fuck out. You cheat".
Then the girl put my telephone number (I gave my ukrainian number on viber) to Ukrainian gay club. Now I got tons of gays message. Well, no problem since it is my only Ukrainian number tho.

Relax Kiev and other escort sites. Pros and cons.
They tend to send you a girl looking like the photo on the website. These girls are mostly not happy with agencies.
Most girls do this because of money so, if something click, they are very open to giving their contact information because it is a lot more lucrative for them to see you without losing money to agency.
So, I suggest you try relax Kiev or whatsoever non-GIA agency in early of your staying in Kiev. Meet the good ones, get their phone numbers, and fuck them at lower rate with more GFE.
That's how I enjoyed young girls.

For GIA girls.
Try to look at the worst photos of theirs. There is always one or two photos not photoshopped. Boob size, body or leg lengths. That's what you get usually.
Don't go to the restaurants that girl want to go. Usually, it is way more expensive without good taste or vibe or reasons.
If you want young girls (or any women) open more to you, you got to invest on the apartment or hotel. As soon as you open the door, the space and interior is wow, you will get more wow on their attitude or more 'O's from their oral techniques.
I got this amazing apartment from Aibnb and it really worked. LOL.

For last night, I usually get very horny before I go to airport. I called a GIA girl who would be able to stay until the last moment. Fucked her hard when she was doing striptease - even before she was pulling her panties down after initial friendly talk then, packed, had her suck my cock while I was folding my clothes.. GIA girls are so good at this request - BBBJ... thinking about what to pack... then I keep working on my bathroom stuff while it is on her mouth.. then fuck... finish my packing, then get it sucked.. and take a shower together then fuck behind while she showering.. looking at her under shower... eroused me.. fuck again.. this way my John gets completely satisfied and I can have a good night sleep on a flight without regrets..This time, the apartment manager was an old man and his wife came to clean the apartment. Didn't dare to fuck this old lady and didn't have luck to have young sexy housemaid - well, fucked enough, didn't I? Ukrainian girls, if not asked, they like to be fucked in doggy. I pounded like I die tomorrow. She screamed like a hell and harasho harasho.. I came like nuclear bomb and her face got completely covered my sperms and her vagina was still contracting while she and I were panting just like after marathon.

Well, this time, I couldn't scratch a few lists of my sexual fantasy such as threesome but got most of it done.
Happy trip and happy sex.

[Riina]

There are two suicidal things in mongering:

1. Disclosing personal information.

2. BBFS.

Yeah, always better to remain John Doe if possible. BBFS opens the door to mayhem.

[Riina]

There are rumors of drugging and robberies with true independents, so that's another issue if you are using an apartment versus a hotel where they have to register with photo ID.

Kiev is a safe place. Anything to substantiate these rumors?

[PenpalRamesh]

Thanks. What are the recommended sources?

Main problem with relaxkiev, sexkiev.net, kievlady.com, kievescort.net, (now dead) backpage.com, ukrgo.com, etc is the prevalence of fake photos. Phone numbers usually for hidden agencies. If you don't care about appearance, not too hard to get some girl to show up if you're offering money. Other big problem is unreliable attitudes. There are rumors of drugging and robberies with true independents, so that's another issue if you are using an apartment versus a hotel where they have to register with photo ID.

People here talk of meeting semi pros through mamba, but I found mamba hopeless for that purpose. Bad website user interface, mostly pros, canceled my account without explanation.

[AntonySun1996]

Risk of getting infected with HIV through unprotected heterosexual vaginal sex with a girl infected with HIV is only 1/2600 as statistics have shown, if I remembered correctly. I think in reality the figure might be even lower than that, since it is very likely that some guys infected with HIV were too proud to admit that they were homosexual. So HIV should not be regarded a major threat when mongering. However I personally still wear condom every time to further minimise the risks.

[Kozerog]

wanted to know views on other agencies or websites. Anyone have any experience with relaxkiev? Ideally we would like to tap the semi pro pool, would be obliged if anyone could share how we can do that.
Cheers.

Main problem with relaxkiev, sexkiev.net, kievlady.com, kievescort.net, (now dead) backpage.com, ukrgo.com, etc is the prevalence of fake photos. Phone numbers usually for hidden agencies. If you don't care about appearance, not too hard to get some girl to show up if you're offering money. Other big problem is unreliable attitudes. There are rumors of drugging and robberies with true independents, so that's another issue if you are using an apartment versus a hotel where they have to register with photo ID.

People here talk of meeting semi pros through mamba, but I found mamba hopeless for that purpose. Bad website user interface, mostly pros, canceled my account without explanation.

[PhotoSlider]

...Almost impossible for a man to contract HIV from BBFS...

Too bad when because of that "Almost" the "impossible" becomes a reality.

As low as the actual probability is for this particular case, it is greater than zero. End of story.

Play safe.

[PenpalRamesh]

Greetings to all experienced and new mongers,

Me and buddy of mine will be in Kiev towards the end of this month and we were wondering if anyone could share the best way to source English speaking escorts. I've already read about GIA but wanted to know views on other agencies or websites. Anyone have any experience with relaxkiev?

Ideally we would like to tap the semi pro pool, would be obliged if anyone could share how we can do that.

Cheers.

[Kozerog]

There are two suicidal things in mongering:

1. Disclosing personal information.

2. BBFS.

If you are retired, no family or friends, then revealing personal information doesn't matter. I think nothing of giving my real name to working girls or agencies. So what if they post photos of me somewhere? Attention is the most valuable commodity these days and no one has attention to spare worrying about nobodies like me.

BBFS risks gonorrhea and chlamydia for men but that's about it. Almost impossible for a man to contract HIV from BBFS. Condom doesn't fully protect against Syphilis, Herpes, Warts because these are all so contagious. It's women who risk HIV from BBFS. I always use a condom for full sex nowadays, I should note,. Also, I hardly notice the difference between with and without condom, so not a big issue for me. My penis skin is probably insensitive from a lifetime of dry masturbation. Also, I've come to associate condoms with sex so the act of putting one on is actually more arousing versus not.

[Kozerog]

"$200/ day minimum exclusive of lodging, etc, etc" may apply to those who like the high-roller lifestyle, but my experience summer of 2017 was $50/ day was plenty including lodging, food, transportation, ballet in June, my dance / music social activity, etc. Everything but girls. AirBnb apartment was $25/ night / but I paid $20/ night after first week outside of AirBnb in cash (not tax reported). I'll be staying at this same apartment again this summer for $25/ night. I could have negotiated lower, but I like the place and $5/ night is worth it for peace of mind that I won't get a nasty surprise. Food was about $5/ day (bread, kefir, peanuts, dark chocolate, fresh fruit, occasional sardines). Mostly I walked, with occasional Uklon taxis. Ballet $8 for good seats. Social activity dues / expenses about $20/ week.

My independent jewel was $50/ hour but she gave me a slight discount because I paid 4000 UAH for 3.5 hours. Saw her three times a week, so under $500/ week total. 3 meets / week at 3.5 hours / meet is plenty for me. The other independents and agency girls I saw before finding the jewel also averaged about $50/ hour (1300 UAH) plus taxi. Because of bad experiences with some of these other girls, I plan to use Gia agency if problems with the jewel or I want variety. Otherwise the jewel is still in business and I recently told her I hope to see her twice weekly or more this summer. Bread and kefir is peasant food and the $20/ night apartment was nothing to sing about either (though comfortable and quiet, which is all I care about), but the jewel is as high-class as they come, make no mistake.

Kiev is still a bargain for some of us.