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02-18-18 21:27 #17890
Posts: 262VK advice?
Gents,
I now want to try to monger through VK and need some advice. I used to flirt with girls on VK a long time ago but have never formally looked for sex with it. Now I want to use it to find either semi pros or long term sugarbanbies. A few questions:
1. How do you identify the potential girls who may need money in return for sex? Are there any hints that they might need a client / sugar daddy?
2. Once you have identified your target, how do you talk to them? Would you just put it in a straightforward way like 'hey would you agree to have sex with me if I offer you xxx dollars', or you should put it another way?
3. What are the dos and don'ts that I need to pay attention?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Antony.
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02-18-18 12:26 #17889
Posts: 3Any suggestion for a young guy to get laid? (22) with minimal bullshit. (speaking Russian).
I am looking for semi-pros (student girls that do it part time).
After looking at ukrgo I understood.
1. most of this are salons and if the photos are real they are like 8 years old.
2. you can know it by the photo, if her face is blurred in professional way some one did it for her.
If they background looks like a salon, then it is.
3. if the same phone number appears for many girls its a salon.
4. some ads state "not a salon".
Is there any chance to fish some fresh face there?
If so how?
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02-18-18 03:27 #17888
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
For anyone reading this, you need to do same mental exercise as me, so you don't get caught flat-footed. For every possible situation, have a price or price range ready that you are comfortable with, comfortable paying that price if the girl accepts and comfortable walking away if the girl asks more. Up until now, I've been using pros in Ukraine, and they make the initial offer and then I accept or refuse or perhaps counter offer. Professionals are used to negotiating and not offended by it. But with semi pros and mistresses, the man has to be the one who runs the negotiation, and it's up to him not to over negotiate, because the girl might cave in and then resent the man afterwards, which ruins things. Nothing says men less well-off than me can't go under 2700 for 3+ hours, that's just what I feel comfortable with. Less well-off men might offer 1000, which is still a good deal for an LTR with a MILF (1000/ meeting = over 8000/ month, for easy work).
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02-17-18 22:30 #17887
Posts: 154Strip clubs are dangerous. There have been several shootings at strip clubs in Kiev. Dolls, was one of them. This is the other: http://sevendaynews.com/2018/01/24/i...ting-occurred/ So, to add to the fact the majority of strippers are ugly, and demanding of tips. There is now rampant violence in them.
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02-17-18 20:28 #17886
Posts: 242Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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02-17-18 20:27 #17885
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Deer1234 [View Original Post]
Directions from Kyiv to "Myru Ave, 35, Chernihiv, Chernihivs'ka oblast, Ukraine, 14000".
There are trains, taking about 4 hours.
Taxi is 2 hours. Bus is 4-6 USD and under 3 hours:
https://infobus.eu/en/bus/route/from-kiev-to-chernihiv
Respected Forum veterans advise to have the girl come to you in Kiev for multiple reasons.
You may have an adventure of your life In Chernihiv with young Juliette spending few wonderful days for a total of 2000-3000 UAH. Miracles still happen, and there is a chance you'll be the happiest man alive.
Or she may not show up as previously agreed. Risk vs. Reward.
I would cancel apartment reservation and have her travel to you. Unless you are in Ukraine for a month or longer and enjoy exploring less developed corners.
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02-17-18 06:22 #17884
Posts: 79Chernigov again.
Hi,
Thank you very much for your information about how to get to Chernigov.
I booked an apartment in Chernigov following a suggestion from a girl.
The address is:
Prospekt Mira 35.
Chernigov,14000.
You wrote there are two towns of confusing names. How can I get to this Chernigov by public transport from Kiev city center?
I can get to Kyiv bus station.
Originally Posted by Misterxxx [View Original Post]
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02-17-18 06:11 #17883
Posts: 79Pleasure!
Good word!
Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
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02-17-18 00:28 #17882
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
As for your suggestions about flirting, one thing I did learn from that idiotic PUA forum is the term "congruency", meaning don't pretend to be something you are not, and that's what would happen if I tried to flirt. No one loves unsmiling old men like me, but we are respected. And unsmiling old men with money are recognized as valuable allies.
Also, I don't really want a young women loving me or hanging around me too much. My independent escort was no trouble at all. Always arrived exactly on time, always same preparatory routine including turning smartphone off, quiet and easy to get along with as a cat, always gets up to leave after exactly 3 hours. She's from a village and evidently was strictly brought up. However, I would like some variety, either from agencies or a non-pro mistress.
So now I need to think of what to pay a non-pro. My general rules for any long-term recurring business dealings: don't pay more than I comfortable with or I'll feel resentment; don't try to drive price down too far or other person will feel resentment and I'll also be angry at them for caving in too much and making me feel like a cheapskate; be systematic and logical about prices. If I pay the pro 4000 hrv for 3 hours, then either 2000 or 3000 for the non-pro sponsorette makes sense. 2000 implies over 16000/ month assuming 2 meetings / week, which is generous given that semi-skilled wages (receptionist, etc) are like 6000 hrv. Indeed, even 1000 per 3 hour meeting or 8000/ month would be plenty. But it's hard for me to justify driving a hard bargain given my income. 3000 guarantees that every normal girl will be happy with my offer, whereas top-tier girls might balk at 1000 or even 2000. Girls with 6 inch heels and mouth swelled up like a monkey's anus might scorn even 3000, but I want to be scorned by those women. If fact, driving off those types might be a reason for going with 2000 versus 3000. Have to think more about this.
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02-16-18 20:47 #17881
Posts: 242Originally Posted by TheDriller [View Original Post]
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02-16-18 20:22 #17880
Posts: 242Originally Posted by PhotoSlider [View Original Post]
As for your suggestions about flirting, one thing I did learn from that idiotic PUA forum is the term "congruency", meaning don't pretend to be something you are not, and that's what would happen if I tried to flirt. No one loves unsmiling old men like me, but we are respected. And unsmiling old men with money are recognized as valuable allies.
Also, I don't really want a young women loving me or hanging around me too much. My independent escort was no trouble at all. Always arrived exactly on time, always same preparatory routine including turning smartphone off, quiet and easy to get along with as a cat, always gets up to leave after exactly 3 hours. She's from a village and evidently was strictly brought up. However, I would like some variety, either from agencies or a non-pro mistress.
So now I need to think of what to pay a non-pro. My general rules for any long-term recurring business dealings: don't pay more than I comfortable with or I'll feel resentment; don't try to drive price down too far or other person will feel resentment and I'll also be angry at them for caving in too much and making me feel like a cheapskate; be systematic and logical about prices. If I pay the pro 4000 hrv for 3 hours, then either 2000 or 3000 for the non-pro sponsorette makes sense. 2000 implies over 16000/ month assuming 2 meetings / week, which is generous given that semi-skilled wages (receptionist, etc) are like 6000 hrv. Indeed, even 1000 per 3 hour meeting or 8000/ month would be plenty. But it's hard for me to justify driving a hard bargain given my income. 3000 guarantees that every normal girl will be happy with my offer, whereas top-tier girls might balk at 1000 or even 2000. Girls with 6 inch heels and mouth swelled up like a monkey's anus might scorn even 3000, but I want to be scorned by those women. If fact, driving off those types might be a reason for going with 2000 versus 3000. Have to think more about this.
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02-16-18 18:35 #17879
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Jymondor [View Original Post]
Counterfeiting occurs when the genuine article has a huge profit margin versus generic which looks / feels / works identical. Examples, Rolex watches, Hermes handbags, all fiat currencies. Nobody counterfeits $5 watches and handbags from the discount store or ordinary writing paper because it's not worthwhile, assuming seller has an established storefront and so depends on repeat customers. Buying a huge quantity of $5 watches, etc as a one-time transaction (going out of business auction, etc) is another story.
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02-16-18 16:44 #17878
Posts: 31.
Does anyone has any experience with ukrgo? Specially with the ads that states "not a brothel".
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02-16-18 03:47 #17877
Posts: 1065Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
My questions:
- Can I be confident in the quality of branded Cialis or Tadalafil generics purchased in Kiev?
- What Apteka chains should I avoid when buying Cialis or Tadalafil generics?
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02-16-18 01:47 #17876
Posts: 823Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
First you need to decide for yourself how much longer do you expect to participate in this social activity? Any returns during your future visits to Ukraine? What happens if, in the unlikely event, some of your dear friends turn a cold shoulder, - would it bother you? If yes, than continue outside of this circle. You achieved sufficient success that way. If overcoming your sense of age is insurmountable, then go with those independent professionals, they might be far better for creating the illusion of happiness and joy.
I would not stop though and focus on the girl I want to have, ignoring others just like everybody else in Kiev. This is social activity, this is not your permanent job. Forget about the age difference and guilt, it never occurs to me while admiring new or old girlfriends. Be honest to yourself first of all, didn't you sign up for that salsa to find ladies? For me anywhere is hunting grounds and open season, even if I am already with one of the girls.
If the dancing partner that you fancy sends unambiguous signals, ask her out for a closer activity, something that you can do one-on-one, to feel her out. Ask her to teach you Ukrainian language. It is beautiful. Let her explain in Ukrainian how to ask the lady out for a date. Possibilities are endless. I ask to teach me different parts of female anatomy. Offer to pay for classes at some neutral territory at first. I would do it at my residence and see her reaction.
That allows to see if she means business or simply plays with you just because she is young and subconsciously wants attention from anybody of the opposite sex. It is to be decided who seduces who).
Do not offer sex for money, unless she starts this conversation. Be a gentleman, treat the lady properly, she'll pay you back and more. Let it flow, but do not let her abuse it. Beware that often even serious flirting doesn't go beyond couple expensive dinners, and at the point of no return she may decline your advances. That is why semi-pros and student girls on mamba are much easier to deal with.
What gives you more pleasure? Spending time with her outside of the bedroom, learning more about each other, winning her heart and soul slowly, or immediate access to the ultimate prize? Is it time, or proverbial bang for the buck? Do you want more girls of certain rating within each day and allocated budget or you want a relationship? I do both interchangeably. 2-3 days at a time for an interesting partner is probably my limit. And I like them waking up in my bedroom, having breakfast together, while she is in my t-shirt, morning kiss and first tender hug. I like a quickie with a new fresh peasant girl running out of my door in 1 hour just as much.
Remove your own mental barriers, sky is the limit. Think of it as a rehearsal, and if it doesn't work out then there are so many options to compensate.