Kyiv

[Guntherus]

What's the trouble with you guys? Why do you take a everything so personally here? It's a time for friendly advice and discussion of adult matters, not playschool behaviour. I mean, we need not be like Sunday school kids, but your writings must have some value for others. Peace to all.

[Jymondor]

Great. Thanks for sharing. You shouldn't be here. The forum doesn't allow pimps.

Pimp. A man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking part of their earnings in return.

I do not control prostitutes an do not take part of their earnings. I book them, use them, and spend my money on them. I believe you misunderstood some terms.

[BillV90]

A trip report, for those interested.

TL, DR: Great trip, all girls were great 4/5 students, very nice, no issues or bait and switch or money issues. A+++ would recommend. Not sure I will go back due to Kiev being such a maddeningly drab city. I donated 1000 UAH / HR, max 3000 UAH. All stayed for about 2-3 h min, Thursday even longer. All kissed and GFE etc etc.

I had to make my first trip to Kiev for a week for work, so I thought hey, let's fire up Mamba and see what we can get. It took some work, but I was able to get a rolodex of girls wanting to meet me, and the ones I did have time to meet were all fantastic.

Monday: 20 yr old student. Beautiful body, I told her she looked young and she showed me her ID, but wow did she not have an inch of fat anywhere on her. Petite 5 feet tall, she was simply fantastic. She was a little spitfire, we would drink champagne, fuck, and run outside in our skivvies and coats for a smoke. She was wild in general and totally relaxed and fun to be around. 3 xsex, wanted to meet her again, but we couldn't arrange it with times. She was just super laid back and cool, and super tight.

Tuesday: 20 yr Student, fashion. She was super unique, had this Tartar / Scythian look to her that was really unique. Big, fantastic breasts, and sucked like a champ. Not very great in the sack, but she was a big time kisser and she really liked it. We traded IGs and wants to meet when I'm back, but she was a little too meh in bed for me..

Sounds wonderful. Was it easy or hard to negotiate for the pricing of 1000 for 1 HR? At what place did you stay on? Would you recommend it?

[Riina]

I am a booker, but I don't want to get the skank to my door. Actually, this forum is to help each other with the hints to avoid skanks.

Great. Thanks for sharing. You shouldn't be here. The forum doesn't allow pimps.

[Jymondor]

Your posts all read like a booker on Mamba whose sole goal is to get the skank to your door.

I am a booker, but I don't want to get the skank to my door. Actually, this forum is to help each other with the hints to avoid skanks.

[Riina]

Are you alluding to me and my rules? I'm stopped being a good-looking twenty something over 30 years ago. You really think if I overcome my self-delusion I can get young women to respond to me on Twitter? That's a site for ordinary relationships, no money exchanged. Mamba is a better example. Tsnexoa mentioned 1000 hrv / hour and 3000/ session. Those numbers are not far from what I get with my system ($50/ hour=1300 hrv+hiur). I had less luck with mamba than Tsnexoa. Maybe self-delusion, maybe my photos aren't glamorous, or maybe women simply don't want men who are old enough to be their grandfather. Anyway, if you see something wrong with my rules, tell me, I'm really curious.

Tsnexoa: please specify your age. That is important information to properly evaluate your trip report.

Nope. I'm not alluding to you. I'm almost fifty and probably face similar age related challenges as you. My post was an indirect reply to bad direction.

And it's Tinder, not Twitter.

[Riina]

Thanks for the report.

I realize that good photo on Mamba will help. Do you mean a real photo, or photo stolen from the internet? What about privacy if you have a family? Anyone could see that you are looking for the young girl.

Will girls reply men's profiles without a photo?

Not all girls are hookers on Mamba. Many are legitimately looking for relationships and can discreetly suggest if they want p4 p.

Your posts all read like a booker on Mamba whose sole goal is to get the skank to your door.

[Jymondor]

Have good photos on Mamba

Thanks for the report.

I realize that good photo on Mamba will help. Do you mean a real photo, or photo stolen from the internet? What about privacy if you have a family? Anyone could see that you are looking for the young girl.

Will girls reply men's profiles without a photo?

[PhotoSlider]

It's amazing how a good looking twenty something can easily guide himself to pussy on Tinder by following simple instincts. Yet, a grown up man is so prey to self-delusion that he chooses to close his eyes and rationalize silly rules for direction.

I must be somehow abnormal, because I find a certain twisted pleasure in making love to Ukrainian beauty doggie style, while she is breathing heavily in the smartphone, and her excited interrupting voice says to agency dispatcher: "Yes, I am al-rea-dy wal-king out-of-the-door. I am finishing and coming now!

Then she runs down the stairs, and I make her return, because she forgot her phone next to my entrance door, because we didn't get enough of each other.

Trying to squeeze the above in the framework of army-like regulations just because some here are paranoid. ? Good luck doing so with most of Ukrainian girls! These reminds me a Poster on Shevchenko Blvd: "Born Free".

[Kozerog]

It's amazing how a good looking twenty something can easily guide himself to pussy on Tinder by following simple instincts. Yet, a grown up man is so prey to self-delusion that he chooses to close his eyes and rationalize silly rules for direction.

Are you alluding to me and my rules? I'm stopped being a good-looking twenty something over 30 years ago. You really think if I overcome my self-delusion I can get young women to respond to me on Twitter? That's a site for ordinary relationships, no money exchanged. Mamba is a better example. Tsnexoa mentioned 1000 hrv / hour and 3000/ session. Those numbers are not far from what I get with my system ($50/ hour=1300 hrv+hiur). I had less luck with mamba than Tsnexoa. Maybe self-delusion, maybe my photos aren't glamorous, or maybe women simply don't want men who are old enough to be their grandfather. Anyway, if you see something wrong with my rules, tell me, I'm really curious.

Tsnexoa: please specify your age. That is important information to properly evaluate your trip report.

[Riina]

It's amazing how a good looking twenty something can easily guide himself to pussy on Tinder by following simple instincts. Yet, a grown up man is so prey to self-delusion that he chooses to close his eyes and rationalize silly rules for direction.

[Kozerog]

Thinking of a trip to Kyiv, my second one ever, and I am tempted by this service although the pictures are not real at least for one lady whom I contacted by WhatsApp.

http://relaxkiev.com/eng/

I suppose it is a good sign that you can actually reach the ladies via phone numbers.

Also that not every lady apparently is ready to do everything (some allow for French kissing others BBBJ), which means that this seems pretty legit.

Thanks for any feedback.

Most of these phone numbers are hidden agencies using fake potos. What I advise is a Viber message like this: to several phone numbers from the site:

Hi XXX,

How are things with you? I hope you are having a very nice day.

I am XXX nationality businessman aged XXX visiting Kiev for XXX days staying at XXX street. I can pay XXX for 1 hour outcall plus XXX taxi fare. I would like to see you now, and I want these services: XXX, XXX. I want to be able to extend session by XXX hours for additional price of XXX if I am enjoying myself.

If you are independent, please send me a photo taken now with your smartphone holding a piece of paper with my Viber number written on it.

If this is an agency, please send me some recent photos of girls available now. I am only interested in girls with NO TATTOOS who speak (basic, intermediate, fluent) English or XXX (German, French etc).

Rule 1: I will meet girl outside and if she does not match photo you sent, I will send her away WITHOUT taxi money. There is no excuse for fake photos.

Rule 2: Smartphone must be turned to silent mode, so no beeping sounds during session. Also, no looking at smartphone until end of session.

Rule 3: We will count money together when girl arrives (and again after she gets out of bathroom, if applicable) but money must remain on table next to bed until after sex. If girl refuses to perform agreed services, we will call agency to discuss problem.

I look forwards to hearing from you.

XXX.

You will encounter resistance to rule regarding no taxi fare if girl doesn't match photo, but you can also just enforce this rule without mentioning it in advance.

It is incredibly rude to have smartphone beeping during sex, but some girls think nothing of that and would even reach over to check the smartphone during sex if you let them, such is their addiction to these devices. Hence the smartphone rule. You should also put your own smartphone on silent mode as a courtesy, even if you are the customer.

There will be strong resistance to rule about money remaining on table. Sometimes I insist on this rule, sometimes not. Better girls leave money on table without my even asking. (I spread out crisp 500 hrivnia notes so they can count by eye when I show money as soon as they arrive.) When I first started mongering, several times girls refused to perform certain services with me but I never demanded money back or called agency to complain. Instead, I just wrote these experiences off as learning experiences. Nowadays, I would call agency to complain. Of course, service performed unwillingly is unlikely to be good service, so it makes little difference. Your leverage with agency is stronger if you are a repeat customer. Possibly send a photo with your initial Viber message and ask agency to show this photo to girls and only send those girls who confirm they will perform all requested services with you. As should be obvious, showering thoroughly beforehand (including between buttocks) reduces problems with girls refusing to perform services.

Don't be surprised if first girl doesn't work out. As long as you are only paying $50 + taxi fare, you can afford some failed experiments,. There ARE some real jewels in the $50/ hour bargain bin. You just have to look for them. Once you find a jewel, become a repeat customer.

Comments regarding the above message of introduction would be appreciated, since I may need to go digging through the $50/ hour agencies again.

[Wgmm99]

I had success in the past with semi-pros from mamba and posted some reviews either with this account or my old account "esatikkanen."

I see now some guys saying they find student types who do not list themselves as looking for a sponsor.

Here is my question: when you see a girl looking for someone 18-50, she must be semi-pro, no?

For example:

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1752728023

I found a bunch after going through the 18-22 who speak English and some that are looking 18-35 or 18-40. They seem a little less clear to me. Perhaps they want to earn a little side cash but don't want someone really old and gross?

I'm early 40's and in pretty good shape. Look maybe late 30's. Wondering about advice on how to approach these kinds of girls without being a total ass.

[Riina]

Thinking of a trip to Kyiv, my second one ever, and I am tempted by this service although the pictures are not real at least for one lady whom I contacted by WhatsApp.

http://relaxkiev.com/eng/

I suppose it is a good sign that you can actually reach the ladies via phone numbers.

Also that not every lady apparently is ready to do everything (some allow for French kissing others BBBJ), which means that this seems pretty legit.

Thanks for any feedback.

When I look at a photo, the first thing I examine is the construction in the background. Most of the pictures in RelaxKiev are yankee construction. Same guide applies to Mamba. Real independent profiles generally have selfies shot in Ukraine. Assume an agency when you see too many staged photos.

[Tsnexoa]

A trip report, for those interested.

TL, DR: Great trip, all girls were great 4/5 students, very nice, no issues or bait and switch or money issues. A+++ would recommend. Not sure I will go back due to Kiev being such a maddeningly drab city. I donated 1000 UAH / HR, max 3000 UAH. All stayed for about 2-3 h min, Thursday even longer. All kissed and GFE etc etc.

I had to make my first trip to Kiev for a week for work, so I thought hey, let's fire up Mamba and see what we can get. It took some work, but I was able to get a rolodex of girls wanting to meet me, and the ones I did have time to meet were all fantastic.

Monday: 20 yr old student. Beautiful body, I told her she looked young and she showed me her ID, but wow did she not have an inch of fat anywhere on her. Petite 5 feet tall, she was simply fantastic. She was a little spitfire, we would drink champagne, fuck, and run outside in our skivvies and coats for a smoke. She was wild in general and totally relaxed and fun to be around. 3 xsex, wanted to meet her again, but we couldn't arrange it with times. She was just super laid back and cool, and super tight.

Tuesday: 20 yr Student, fashion. She was super unique, had this Tartar / Scythian look to her that was really unique. Big, fantastic breasts, and sucked like a champ. Not very great in the sack, but she was a big time kisser and she really liked it. We traded IGs and wants to meet when I'm back, but she was a little too meh in bed for me.

Wednesday: 22 yr musician. Super cool. Didn't speak much English, but told me about how she and her brother fled Donbass when the war started. Her two brothers decided to stay, and split the family apart and they don't talk anymore since they view her as a "traitor". Absolutely mind blowing. But she was cool as fuck, we would listen to rock music and shag, she would massage me, and then proceed to give me a BBBJ. She simply loved to suck, and suck it long, she was just beautiful in body and everything. No rush, talked, bullshitted around. She stayed for three hours, sex 3 x BBBJCIM 2 x, she had a super petite body and beautiful skin and hair. Again, not a clock watcher, super chill, and we had a good time.

Thursday: 20 yr old student / photographer. The cream of the crop. She didn't have much listed on her profile at all, like sponsorship etc, but we talked for days before. She was a simply a cut above the rest. Extremely fluent in English, and open minded about the world and had a desire to explore. She dressed regally, with a nice lace one piece and started things slow. She had an amazing body, with full, perky breasts. We really hit it off. Talked about fine art photography, mutual appreciation of rock music that we proceeded to fuck to, and even Russian literature and things like opera and ballet, and classical music. She stayed for hours, and we would fuck, then talk, then fuck, then talk, and then fuck and we fell asleep. She definitely left an impression.

Friday: 19 year old student, lithe and super chill. But, I had a shit day at work and couldn't stop thinking about how awesome Thursday was, and how much I wanted to see her again.

And that's that.

PROTIP: Have good photos on Mamba, and don't send stupid messages like "hey bb you cute want sum fuk". 98% of the dudes on mamba look like fucking idiots. Sunglasses, face only shots, etc. Take some nice photos in black and white, side profiles, you doing something / fun and cool, pay a photographer, whatever. Girls these days are all into IG and snapchat, so you got to play the game. If you still have questions, read Models by mark manson.

In the end, every single person was relaxed, friendly, not a clock watcher, and GFE+++++++++ maxxxxxx. No bait and switch, but I did play a hard game on mamba. If they gave me grief about showing newer photos or wouldn't share their viber number, I didn't meet them. Use your wits about you mates, if it smells TGTBT it probably is.

Was a good time, Will I go back? If I have to for work, yes, and maybe to see Thursday again, we had that good of a time. But I am not Slavic, don't speak Russian / Ukrainian, and really, really did not jive with Kiev. But the girls and the people there overall were very very relaxed and nice, and the women beautiful. The culture is not mine though, and I don't have a desire to learn it. If you did learn Russian / Ukrainian, you'd have an even better time. But I honestly have nothing but positive things to say about the people, in and outside of the bedroom.

Don't forget: You need to be smart about your selection process, don't take bullshit, be respectful, take good photos, dress well, and you'll have a good time.