Kyiv

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You have to be very careful doing business with random Ukrainians. The savings just isn't worth the grief for most of us here.

Agree with Riina yet again. I had one of those Ukrainian energetic entrepreneurial landladies, making laughable attempts at helping with booking.

She sent the pictures of superb (in her opinion) properties via Viber. I asked for street address, - she gave non-existing one. Asked 5 (five) times for URL to check out the property online, - she avoided answering in the most peculiar manner. She even promised that URL 3 times, I received nothing, - zero! She saw online that I ended up renting from a different provider, and she tried via Viber to force me canceling that new contract, while admitting that she herself is not even in Ukraine, working remotely. She has no idea how to run this business with the customer from different part of the world. Cheating is the norm. Would never go with her.

Had apartment changed on me at the last moment by other ones.

I also had honest straightforward Ukrainian landlords, very reliable every time I did business with them via AirBnB.

I really like AirBnB's feedback system. For example one visitor mentioned that their second floor apartment next to St. Sophia has been broken into from the balcony, ruining their stay.

Feedback is available for both: landlords and customers. Landlords did rate me as an "Excellent guest! Never ever any problems. Very happy!

I mostly behaved. They did see girls 25-30 years younger than me, not behaving as my nieces, arriving with me from the airport or while I was checking in, and different girls checking out with me while departing, forgetting their high heels and lingerie all over the place.

Older buildings have thick solid walls and neighbors never complained about the noise or constant "change of guards" - kaleidoscope of ladies coming and going. Neighbors are immune to noise downtown. Could be a different story in the newer 1960-1970 apartments where sound isolation through the thinner walls is not as good.

One apartment on Khreshchatyk had old baboushka sentries sitting 24 x 7 in the small booth behind the entrance door. One of them attempted to discipline me, saying something about moral principles and revolving door. I politely yet firmly stopped her tirade before she had a chance to explain what she thought of a 19 yo village beauty from Rivne. Hehehe. She understood that I am hopeless and never ever tried to elaborate further.

[Jymondor]

2) Hidden camera in room.

What? Are you serious? Is that possible? How to make sure that no cameras in the rooms?

[Jymondor]

Diving lessons in jacuzzi can be so much fun! Got to have some space for those.

Good hint! I will look for the apartment with double-size Jacuzzi for my next visit. Never thought about that before.

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Lasts time I stay here: https://miete.com.ua/Kyiv/16164.

Not luxury, but decent. Fresh renovation. New furniture. No smelling. Lots of towels, which is important for mongering. Bargained 800 UAH/night.
The only cons the bed was squeaking a bit.

$30/ day with lots of towels is certainly good. I thought about having one like that as a backup option, while renting an apartment in Kiev together with visiting relatives. For the usual touristy entertainment during the day, and occasional escaping for few hours and a quick fuck. Ended up going 5 times to "Sosud" on Khmelnitskogo and Honchara. Great establishment, lisping Jessica was conscientious provider. Too bad police closed the shop. Not sure the reason, must have been money one way or the other.

Landlords usually do not care about cleaning when you stay under 4-5 days.

I prefer longer stays, 2-3 weeks. Downtown is another criterion, walk around on foot and avoid taxi. I schedule cleaning in advance, every 3-4 days, because, you know, some girls frown when linen are not crisp and fresh. And if the girl does not care about clean bed, then maybe I do not want to meet her.

I also ask landlord for a stack of fresh spare linen, came in handy when I had to change in the middle of the night after a minor accident 3 months ago.

Having cleaning scheduled in advance with disciplined AirBnB landlord also helps with planning parties at "mi casa". Some parties are scheduled before the arrival to Kiev.

Difference between $30 and $80 accumulates quickly over 10-15-20 days, but unfortunately I do not visit Kiev that often, and when I invite ladies, I want them to feel relaxed, and be happy myself. It is not about impressing them, more about personal comfort level I became accustomed to. Avoid Khrushchev and Brezhnev style apartments, even with major renovations inside. Pre-revolution is the best, even some of the Soviet Empire style architecture around Khreshhatyk is acceptable.

It is my vacation, I want to have great time. Yes, it means good chunk of cash, it also means I look forward to and feel content returning to this temporary residence from a walk, - being it with somebody, or solo.

Diving lessons in jacuzzi can be so much fun! Got to have some space for those.

Decent downtown 1-bedroom is available for $50-60/ night. I prefer 2-bedroom, so that I do not have to mate in the dining room, while my friend is in the bedroom testing durability of certain products. Or I can choose to sleep separate from girlfriend, to fully recharge the batteries. Having young fresh naked body pretending to sleep next to me often leads to insufficient rest. Good girls do not let me sleep alone regardless of my desire, even when I try. One of criteria to differentiate while choosing them for long term stay).

[Riina]

As you can see, the price for foreigners is $102 CAD, but if you speak Russian / Ukrainian you can rent it at $88CAD. But if you keep searching local sites you can get at for 1500 UAH, which is $69 CAD. 48% is quite of a difference.

You have to be very careful doing business with random Ukrainians. The savings just isn't worth the grief for most of us here.

[Jymondor]

Lasts time I stay here: https://miete.com.ua/Kyiv/16164.

Not luxury, but decent. Fresh renovation. New furniture. No smelling. Lots of towels, which is important for mongering. Bargained 800 UAH/night.
The only cons the bed was squeaking a bit.

One thing more. Please look at this snaphot: https://i.imgur.com/EyCd9Tg.jpg.

My search took less that 3 min.

Two pictures above were taken from Airbnb. The picture below was taken from the site that has no English. This is the same apartment.

As you can see, the price for foreigners is $102 CAD, but if you speak Russian / Ukrainian you can rent it at $88CAD. But if you keep searching local sites you can get at for 1500 UAH, which is $69 CAD. 48% is quite of a difference.

[Kozerog]

As with other services (including girls), I recommend sticking with good providers once you find one. The repeat customer gets the best deal and the fewest unpleasant surprises. Also, once there is trust, you can pay cash (hrivnia currency) with no receipt for a further discount.

Some things to watch for:

1) Noise from neighboring apartments.

2) Hidden camera in room.

3) Landlord steals things while you are out.

4) Apartment not secure and someone other than landlord breaks in and steals.

5) Landlord takes money in advance then changes lock and denies you paid when you complain to police.

6) Landlord not available when you have problems (lost key, lock jammed, washing machine breaks, etc).

7) Cancels reservation at last minute (this can happen even with AirBnb).

I usually rent an apartment for a week from AirBnb then arrange to pay cash for additional weeks if the apartment and landlord are good. I've been doing this for about 4 years in many places, including Ukraine (I'm retired and travel most of the year, but most mongering in Ukraine).

[Jymondor]

Do you really believe that everybody is so stupid. ? The problem is not only the language. Most of the cheap places on that site looking terrible. No euro-renovation. Grannys old furniture. Smelling (I'm sure).

Lasts time I stay here: https://miete.com.ua/Kyiv/16164.

Not luxury, but decent. Fresh renovation. New furniture. No smelling. Lots of towels, which is important for mongering. Bargained 800 UAH/night.
The only cons the bed was squeaking a bit.

[Member #4722]

I always use Olga apartments. Really good guys I would not deal with anyone else.

[Misterxxx]

I cannot believe how much extra $$ customers must pay just because they do not speak Russian or Ukrainian.

https://miete.com.ua/Kyiv

Do you really believe that everybody is so stupid. ? The problem is not only the language. Most of the cheap places on that site looking terrible. No euro-renovation. Grannys old furniture. Smelling (I'm sure).

Euro-renovation is always expensive and it's not easy to find a good "master" in the ukraine.

The next problem is the security of your booking. No guarantee that the owner don't rent the apartments to somebody else. You want to stay 3 nights, another guy asking for 7 nights.

Many owners will simply cancel your booking. Even in the last moment. Or they even don't contact you. You arrive in Kiev and will stay on the street. Great pleasure in the winter (with minus 12 degrees).

Anyway you can be sure that the calendar on that site is not up to date.

Also don't trust the price that is quoted on the site. The owners might write 500 UAH, but in reality it can be much more. They will tell you it's the price if you stay two weeks or so. And the amount is much higher for a single night or a weekend.

Especially on holidays (new year, easter holidays) the prices can be crazy. Nobody would give the apartment for that money. And not even for double or triple price.

But anyway: It's up to you if you want to rent an apartment from amateurs or real professionals. Even an expensive agency like partner guest house has a lot of clients from the ukraine. Ukrainian people who know about such a site with cheap apartments and who can call there without any problem. Do you believe that all these clients are stupid. ?

[Jymondor]

Nice, safe and very central.

https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments.html

Very good reviews on TripAdvisor.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_...plex-Kiev.html

I cannot believe how much extra $$ customers must pay just because they do not speak Russian or Ukrainian.

https://miete.com.ua/Kyiv

[Coyle]

Do you really care about what Kiev people perceive you? LOL.

Any apartment uploaded on Airbnb is good. Since Ukrainians respect this American websites more than their local laws or policeman.

Plus, they are dying to make foreign money so they do care about their reputation over the website.

I've never been disappointed at their service.

Once, I fucked the girl who came to check me out just before the flight. This cleaning lady+collecting key was sexy and I just grabbed and did it. Huh!

Nice, safe and very central.

https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments.html

Very good reviews on TripAdvisor.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_...plex-Kiev.html

[Kozerog]

I've been lurking here for a while and decided today to become a member and start posting. Please excuse occasional bad spelling. This forum is not mobile enabled, which makes it harder to review my posts before submitting.

Like other people here, I had mixed results with the $50/ hour girls from the hidden agencies. No fatties, thankfully, but a few had big hideous tattoos, one appeared shell-shocked from bad experiences with a potential client and just lay stiffly and trembling in bed at first (I managed to relax her eventually), most who were advertised as speaking English couldn't speak more than a few words (fortunately, I speak intermediate Russian), most refused to kiss, several left their electronic crackpipe turned on and then pretended not to understand when I asked them to turn it off after it beeped right in the middle of the session. Finally found a jewel in this rubbish heap and then proceed to do what most of the other mongers here don't have the sense to do. Namely, become a repeat customer when someone gives me good service. Same thing when I find a good apartment landlord, same thing for other services in Kiev. There are many honest people in Kiev who are anxious to provide good service at a good price and improve their economic condition. When you find such a person, become a repeat customer instead of constantly looking for something better just because you are on vacation and bored and everything is cheap in Kiev right now.

At Tomek: please don't tell that girl what you are telling us, about the possibility of making $500/ hour on Norway.

At Deer1234: To elaborate on what I wrote above, it is positively immoral the way you are behaving. You are rewarding dishonest people and not rewarding the honest ones. If you are new to Kiev and inexperienced, then you have to pay full price. Contact the Gia agency and all them to recommend a hotel where their girls are admitted. Then go through their girls one by one until you find one that clicks. Make sure you can pay one hour initially and then extend if you like the girl. Then see that girl several more times. This completes your initial experience with Ukrainian *****mongering. You are leaving lots of money on the table, compared to what more experienced mongers can achieve, but that extra money provides an incentive for the Gia agency to make things work. On future visits, you can try to get better prices.

I have never tried Gia myself, but I understand the concepts of name branding and repeat customer. Unlike all the hidden agencies, Gia has a brand name, so they have an incentive to make things work for those who can pay their prices. And if you show yourself to be a repeat customer, they have an even stronger incentive to make things work. So this is where the beginners should go. Yes the prices are high, but foolishly sending money to girls in other cities like Deer1234 is doing and getting nothing on return is even more expensive in the long run.

Ukraine is a mess economically and likely to remain so for decades to come. Where are the beautiful young women of Ukraine going to get the money to raise a family, including a new generation of working girls? People worry about polar bears and sharks and tigers going extinct, but what about beautiful Ukrainian working girls going extinct? Does no one care about that? I care, and so I do my best to help them survive by mongering in Ukraine, and I recommend other men to the same. But you need to do so in a moral way: money in exchange for quality services. That is sustainable. Throwing money around like Deer1234 is don't is just going to leave him disgusted with Ukraine so that he never wants to visit again'and thus never spends any more money there. Nor good for him, not good for the girls of Ukraine.

Attn admin; please mobile enable this sure.

[Jojosun]

Hello.

Q2. Which apartment in Kiev would you suggest? The apartment I often used has a very poor air conditioner, and thus is extremely cold in this season.

I prefer an apartment where an alien guest cannot enter the building and elevator without a security card, or without being accompanied by one who stays there.

I am nervous about security. Of course, I do not want the clerk to check a girl.

Nice, safe and very central.

https://www.kievinn.ua/apartments.html

Very good reviews on TripAdvisor.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_...plex-Kiev.html

[ASUDevil1]

One of my charming friends wrote to me that she desperately needs money. But I can not be in Kiev and Ukraine at this time. She asks me who to find. This is her photo. She will be at this time in Kiev. Friday and Saturday. As I understand it on 9 and 10 February. Here on the forum you can not give contacts. So you can write to me PM.

I told her that she is a little stupid and she needs to leave Ukraine at least to the Poland and even better in Paris or Berlin. Where she quickly finds a rich husband or very good sponsor. 18 years old and she can not yet leave her country. She seems to be studying at the academy.

A friend of mine from Norway saw her photo and said that if she comes to Norway and gives an announcement, she will earn even without sex 200-300 euros a day. Just 50-60 euros for a massage and Hand Job. If she agrees to fuck then it can be even 400-500 euros per hour and even more- her phone will be constantly ringing.

I know her. She's a good girl. But a bit ambitious. But she's not angry. Just a bit stupid. She has a sick father and she has a complicated relationship with her mother as she says.

Clear out some of your inbox messages, we can't PM you because the inbox is full.