Kyiv

[DramaFree11]

Howdy guys.

I am going to make my trip to Europe again at the end of September, do not know yet where I will go, but I want ask you if the Kiev is the best choice as I am looking for classic beauties. Blond long hairs, long legs, smooth facial lines. Money is not that of an issue. If Kiev is not the best choice, could you guys possibly recommend different location? I would appreciate it.

Greetings!

Absolutely not, probably the worst choice. Moscow or any country. If you are looking for good looking girls, Kiev is the wrong place. Way over rated.

[Stero320]

Howdy guys.

I am going to make my trip to Europe again at the end of September, do not know yet where I will go, but I want ask you if the Kiev is the best choice as I am looking for classic beauties. Blond long hairs, long legs, smooth facial lines. Money is not that of an issue. If Kiev is not the best choice, could you guys possibly recommend different location? I would appreciate it.

Greetings!

[Volpone]

That's proper feedback, unlike some of the useless stories here.

Here's my feedback:

1. 99% of photos on websites are fake (including backpage. Com, including all agencies with their ridiculous 500 euro - 2 hours prices).

2. 99% when you talk on whtsapp and ask for "real photos", even then you get fake photos. When you tell them "I already sent 2 girls home because photos were fake" and they give you real photo, that's when you understand you will not fuck a model for 50-70 USD, you'll just get a used hooker. If she's young, she can still be doable, but for sure not very pretty and nothing close to what you saw in the photo.

3. Buddha Bar. Transaction place. Hookers at the bar, they start at 200 usd, whether you can get the price down, it depends on how you look. If you're older than 45 and not exactly a knight in shiny armour, pay the bloody 200 usd, buy her a drink first and charm her a little, so she puts some passion and proper service in. If you're younger and attractive, it's likely you can get the price down to 150 usd, or if you're really good and charming and make her like you, 100. Nevertheless, do not take a hooker from Buddha Bar home before actually buying her a drink, talking to her, trying to establish a connection.

4. Shooters, Caribbean. These are fun places with a combination of regular girls and prostitutes, more often the number if regular girls is higher than the number of working girls. Coolest thing about these places is that they are open on Sunday, Monday, etc. Many times girls here don't speak English, so yes, some knowledge of Russian is always an asset.

5. Dali, Chi. The fancier clubs. If you have game, it's fairly easy to score (like anywhere else in the world). You may find the occasional hooker who speaks English at the bar, but mostly it's hotter girls looking for long term sponsors (like most Ukrainian hot girls do).

6. Tinder. It's quite shitty. There are many girls (I do searches for age 18-25), but fairly unresponsive. I'm in my early 30's and am what one would call a very attractive guy. I'm fortunate enough to be financially well off and dress well, and I used to live in Russia for a while, so I speak enough Russian to pick up a girl. I've been on tinder for 3 days, and even when we match, can barely get a conversation going or get the girl to switch to WhatsApp. I'm eastern European myself, so I understand the culture, but on Tinder I just can't seem to get much shit done. I lined up some dates, but with 7's or 8's at most, I got no traction with the 9's (10's don't exist).

7. www. Ukraniandate, com. You can chat girls up a few weeks before your travel, and line up dates, same rules apply. I've used this when I didn't speak Russian, it worked well for me in the past (3-4 years ago).

8. guys walking on the street, with flyers, offering to take you to apartments. I've done it a few times, most girls are not that attractive, but there's always 1-2 hot ones. If they catch me drunk at 2 am walking on khreshatik without having scored anything that night, I'm always open to their suggestion and follow them.

9. RIO. Well, I love that place, the post I'm quoting is clear and to the point. If I don't get laid with freebies I pick up in clubs, that's where I end up. Always negotiate blowjob without condom in advance, and make sure they understand it's 300 usd for 3 hours. And, again, don't rush it. Have a drink with them before leaving, don't be stingy. You're on holiday, splash some cash for proper service, or save the 10-20 USD left and right but then don't complain you get a fish or a log in bed.

Then there are the exceptions. I saw a guy looking 55 years old who definitely looked his age, on a date with a super cute 18-21 yo girl, having a coffee and communicating through google translate. She was really into it, but for that girl to put himself in that situation, he must have put a lot of research and effort. Kudos to the guy, I saw myself in him when I'll get to his age.

I can not talk about Rio, because I've never been there and I won't. What Stavvrrooss write is very close of what I experienced in Kiev last year. Not easy at all, even if you stay a few months there and you speak Russian, it's not easy. So Stavvrrooss is a good looking guy around 30 years old and it's not easy for him. Imagine an older guy.

[BobSmith1]

Thanks for another great report. What about just trying to talk to girls on street? And Mamba. I got some reply from Mamba and trying to meet them when I get there. I also used Hello Talk app too and got some girls talking now.

[Stavvrrooss]

I agree, its not as good as before.

About your RIO comment, if any of you wants bare blowjob make sure to talk to the dancer about it before giving her $300, most dancers there do covered BJ, and make sure to tell her $300 is for three hours otherwise she will leave early.

That's proper feedback, unlike some of the useless stories here.

Here's my feedback:

1. 99% of photos on websites are fake (including backpage. Com, including all agencies with their ridiculous 500 euro - 2 hours prices).

2. 99% when you talk on whtsapp and ask for "real photos", even then you get fake photos. When you tell them "I already sent 2 girls home because photos were fake" and they give you real photo, that's when you understand you will not fuck a model for 50-70 USD, you'll just get a used hooker. If she's young, she can still be doable, but for sure not very pretty and nothing close to what you saw in the photo.

3. Buddha Bar. Transaction place. Hookers at the bar, they start at 200 usd, whether you can get the price down, it depends on how you look. If you're older than 45 and not exactly a knight in shiny armour, pay the bloody 200 usd, buy her a drink first and charm her a little, so she puts some passion and proper service in. If you're younger and attractive, it's likely you can get the price down to 150 usd, or if you're really good and charming and make her like you, 100. Nevertheless, do not take a hooker from Buddha Bar home before actually buying her a drink, talking to her, trying to establish a connection.

4. Shooters, Caribbean. These are fun places with a combination of regular girls and prostitutes, more often the number if regular girls is higher than the number of working girls. Coolest thing about these places is that they are open on Sunday, Monday, etc. Many times girls here don't speak English, so yes, some knowledge of Russian is always an asset.

5. Dali, Chi. The fancier clubs. If you have game, it's fairly easy to score (like anywhere else in the world). You may find the occasional hooker who speaks English at the bar, but mostly it's hotter girls looking for long term sponsors (like most Ukrainian hot girls do).

6. Tinder. It's quite shitty. There are many girls (I do searches for age 18-25), but fairly unresponsive. I'm in my early 30's and am what one would call a very attractive guy. I'm fortunate enough to be financially well off and dress well, and I used to live in Russia for a while, so I speak enough Russian to pick up a girl. I've been on tinder for 3 days, and even when we match, can barely get a conversation going or get the girl to switch to WhatsApp. I'm eastern European myself, so I understand the culture, but on Tinder I just can't seem to get much shit done. I lined up some dates, but with 7's or 8's at most, I got no traction with the 9's (10's don't exist).

7. www. Ukraniandate, com. You can chat girls up a few weeks before your travel, and line up dates, same rules apply. I've used this when I didn't speak Russian, it worked well for me in the past (3-4 years ago).

8. guys walking on the street, with flyers, offering to take you to apartments. I've done it a few times, most girls are not that attractive, but there's always 1-2 hot ones. If they catch me drunk at 2 am walking on khreshatik without having scored anything that night, I'm always open to their suggestion and follow them.

9. RIO. Well, I love that place, the post I'm quoting is clear and to the point. If I don't get laid with freebies I pick up in clubs, that's where I end up. Always negotiate blowjob without condom in advance, and make sure they understand it's 300 usd for 3 hours. And, again, don't rush it. Have a drink with them before leaving, don't be stingy. You're on holiday, splash some cash for proper service, or save the 10-20 USD left and right but then don't complain you get a fish or a log in bed.

Then there are the exceptions. I saw a guy looking 55 years old who definitely looked his age, on a date with a super cute 18-21 yo girl, having a coffee and communicating through google translate. She was really into it, but for that girl to put himself in that situation, he must have put a lot of research and effort. Kudos to the guy, I saw myself in him when I'll get to his age.

[FilancaNow]

Ukraine is a sexy Klondike if you are sufficiently active and assertive and a little brutal guy and have a little free time. Also it is better to choose not pathos and expensive cues and some other big city. Unlike the Asian or African or Brazilian beauties, Ukrainian girls look very inaccessible and proud, they dress beautifully and hold with great dignity. Certainly a guy from Europe or the US who sees a beautiful Ukrainian white (which is important) a girl experiences a natural awkwardness and stiffness. It's hard to be relaxed, because it's a white beauty and not an Asian or a mulatto. At the subconscious level, this American guy feels that this is a white girl. That he is in his native Alabama or Minnesota, which means he can for harassment of a beautiful white young lady have some problems. This is a reflex at the subconscious level. I myself am familiar with this phenomenon. I have several friends from Canada and the US who told me personally about their first impressions of Ukraine. These are my good friends. They first came to Ukraine after the abolition of the visa regime for foreigners in 2004. They are not poor people, but in the US and Canada these guys are very much. Also they are difficult to call very beautiful or sexy or young. All of them before as sex tourists were in the Dominican Republic, Colombia and similar countries. They confessed to me that they had some psychological problems in Ukraine in first time. But then they realized what to do. They were delighted with the local,haughty and arrogant, beauties and how well these beautiful blondes suck the western cock and swallow sperm-And it was not very expensive then. They fucked insanely beautiful tall young girls. It was a golden time for foreigners in Ukraine. Yeah. It's true. They told me fantastic stories and I saw how excited they are. They are amazed. Sometimes they did not believe it was a dream or a reality! 2004-2006. They in the beginning could not relax and were not so free and uninhibited as for example in "color countries." Ukraine is a very hypocritical country..

Wow! What a good read! I've read your observations and experiences with pleasure.

[Tomek123]

First of all, I would like to say I have been a member for a few years and have been on a number of trips for this hobby. I am neither a veteran nor a novice. I have not posted anything before not because of greediness or selfishness but because I feel there was nothing meaningful I could add to what readers already knew. I am writing this post because I feel there is a need to justify the position regarding Kiev as far as mongering is concerned. The Kiev forum (or Ukraine in general) has received a lot more attention in recent years but I do not think that is due to more mongers visiting the country. From my experience in the summer 2016, I would set out below my two pennies' worth:

Yes there are many young and beautiful women around, but I wouldn't necessarily say more so than a major western city like London or New York. There are just more of the same type whereas a city like London has more variety race, culture and background.

Some members have suggested that almost all women are potentially semi-pros. I did get a few smiles when I was out and about however I wouldn't say they are semi-pros and certainly did not wish to mistake nicety for proposition. I did not get the feeling that women in Kiev are that desperate for cash that they would fuck anyone for it..

Ukraine is a sexy Klondike if you are sufficiently active and assertive and a little brutal guy and have a little free time. Also it is better to choose not pathos and expensive cues and some other big city. Unlike the Asian or African or Brazilian beauties, Ukrainian girls look very inaccessible and proud, they dress beautifully and hold with great dignity. Certainly a guy from Europe or the US who sees a beautiful Ukrainian white (which is important) a girl experiences a natural awkwardness and stiffness. It's hard to be relaxed, because it's a white beauty and not an Asian or a mulatto. At the subconscious level, this American guy feels that this is a white girl. That he is in his native Alabama or Minnesota, which means he can for harassment of a beautiful white young lady have some problems. This is a reflex at the subconscious level. I myself am familiar with this phenomenon. I have several friends from Canada and the US who told me personally about their first impressions of Ukraine. These are my good friends. They first came to Ukraine after the abolition of the visa regime for foreigners in 2004. They are not poor people, but in the US and Canada these guys are very much. Also they are difficult to call very beautiful or sexy or young. All of them before as sex tourists were in the Dominican Republic, Colombia and similar countries. They confessed to me that they had some psychological problems in Ukraine in first time. But then they realized what to do. They were delighted with the local,haughty and arrogant, beauties and how well these beautiful blondes suck the western cock and swallow sperm-And it was not very expensive then. They fucked insanely beautiful tall young girls. It was a golden time for foreigners in Ukraine. Yeah. It's true. They told me fantastic stories and I saw how excited they are. They are amazed. Sometimes they did not believe it was a dream or a reality! 2004-2006. They in the beginning could not relax and were not so free and uninhibited as for example in "color countries." Ukraine is a very hypocritical country. I met yesterday with a nice girl of 22 years in Kharkov. I fucked her and finished her in the mouth many times. Also my old friend from Poland fucked her in anal. I gave him her contacts.

But she looks very inaccessible and even arrogant. She is well dressed and has expensive makeup. None of us here on the forum could not imagine her with a sperm on her face. Moreover, she has a constant boyfriend for several years. But at the same time I and my friend fuck her in anal and finish her in the mouth for the money. She is nice tall girl. In Ukraine you must be very active and do not be afraid to approach women. You should not be afraid of getting a refusal. Women in Ukraine look very proud and arrogant, but this is an illusion. It's not Western feminists. My principle is the number of attacks. I can start a conversation with a girl in a cafe, in a park, near a subway, in a supermarket. On the street. Ukraine is a good place for street hunting. But if for psychological reasons you can not do this and do not feel confident enough, then you It is better to choose a route to the Dominican Republic or Brazil. Also I use a lot of dating sites in addition to the odious Mamba. You should not be afraid to go to the young lady in Ukraine.

You have to understand that this is not Denmark and not Sweden and Canada. This girl will not accuse you of sexual exploitation. She would rather show you the right street. Even if she soon realizes that you just want to make contact with her, she will not scream or call the police. You can ask her to become your guide. The worst thing is that you will be expected if she says-thank you, but I'm busy or something like that. Women in Ukraine love brave men. But this contradicts the concept of the behaviour of a Western man who is always afraid of the law. Because the West is a completely different reality and completely different relationship between a man and a woman. In Europe or the US you have to constantly think about the consequences and power of the law. Half of the Ukrainian men could be in prison in the west for their behaviour. If you hit someone in person in Europe, then most likely this guy will report you to the police and you will have problems and maybe even go to prison. But in Ukraine or Russia, this guy may just rudely insult you but he will not go to the police. A broken nose is not for him a great tragedy.

Women in Ukraine love when they feel that men want to fuck them. It brings them pleasure. I know that many Russian and Ukrainian MILF and even young girls like to fuck in Antalya or Bulgaria with beautiful Turkish or Bulgarian macho. I talked on this subject with some Ukrainian guys who saw how this happens. One of my Ukrainian friend told me how he used to earn repairs of computers and laptops. When one beautiful Ukrainian girl brought him a computer or something to repair but she forgot to erase the folder with photos and videos. This folder was called,summer. Bulgaria, There were a lot of photos and some videos. There were photos of her girlfriends. Photo of cafes and restaurants. Savory dishes of local cuisine. Rolls over the sea and beaches of Bulgaria. But then very strange photos began. She, along with her girlfriend and a couple of young strong local local guys. Then a photo in the cafe. They laugh and drink wine. But then frankly sexy photos began. He saw the photo of her face was covered with sperm and two big dicks near her face. ! Photo on which three or four guys fuck her and her girlfriend and the like. Also there was a video of how a few guys hard fuck her and end up on her and she's in sperm. My friend was very surprised when I saw this folder. Because the girl did not look like very sexually accessible. She was even a little cold in communication. It was 7 or 8 years ago. An amusing story.

But the most interesting is that Slavic women in Turkey like to tease Turkish men with their sexual appearance. They specially wear short skirts or very short sexy shorts. To be clearly visible to their sexy ass. When they go to the souvenir market, Turkish men suffer from pleasure and excitation. This explains very well the nature of Slavic women.

[Muddy7]

the point I am trying to make is for a pure mongering experience Kiev is probably best avoided. .

I agree, its not as good as before.

About your RIO comment, if any of you wants bare blowjob make sure to talk to the dancer about it before giving her $300, most dancers there do covered BJ, and make sure to tell her $300 is for three hours otherwise she will leave early.

[GS007]

First of all, I would like to say I have been a member for a few years and have been on a number of trips for this hobby. I am neither a veteran nor a novice. I have not posted anything before not because of greediness or selfishness but because I feel there was nothing meaningful I could add to what readers already knew. I am writing this post because I feel there is a need to justify the position regarding Kiev as far as mongering is concerned. The Kiev forum (or Ukraine in general) has received a lot more attention in recent years but I do not think that is due to more mongers visiting the country. From my experience in the summer 2016, I would set out below my two pennies' worth:

Yes there are many young and beautiful women around, but I wouldn't necessarily say more so than a major western city like London or New York. There are just more of the same type whereas a city like London has more variety race, culture and background.

Some members have suggested that almost all women are potentially semi-pros. I did get a few smiles when I was out and about however I wouldn't say they are semi-pros and certainly did not wish to mistake nicety for proposition. I did not get the feeling that women in Kiev are that desperate for cash that they would fuck anyone for it.

I agree with previous comments that the apartment girls are not great. I went to about 5 apartments and did not see a single stunner. I took one back to my apartment and the service was mechanical pretty much what you would expect from a brothel.

I did utilise the service of Andreii which in hindsight I regret doing. Yes, he is a nice bloke or at least he acts like one. My feeling is that he is selective in which apartments he takes you (be it apartments where he gets a higher commission or where more business is required). I gathered that he works in some sort of organisation / group. Not sure if any of you experienced the same, but he kept messaging me and trying to take me to more apartments and offered to bring girls to me throughout my time there. This is purely from my experience and observation of him. Towards the end of my stay I agreed to let him bring a girl to me. I only agreed because he showed a photo of a girl who was quite attractive. The girl turned out to be someone completely different to the photo. I asked for an explanation but suddenly his spoken English turned from bad to worse. Also, I should say he is probably a drug addict, as I have seen things.

Rio is a nice strip club and I can see it being a nice place to chill out with mates while enjoying the view. Drinks are reasonably priced too. Again, I didn't see any stunners there but the attitude of the ladies is top notch. I wouldn't take a lady out for $300 though. Back home, I can pay the same amount for similar or better quality.

I have been to various clubs and most were packed with people especially during the weekend. I did see a few (perhaps potential) working girls (some obvious and some not so obvious). I did not go for any as I didn't find them attractive enough to make a move.

So this is a short conclusion of my experience in Kiev. You probably guessed it is not one of my favourite places and if so you are correct. To be fair though I am not making a strong conclusion as I was only there for 4 nights. The time of visit probably makes a difference but the point I am trying to make is for a pure mongering experience Kiev is probably best avoided. Although my trips are usually for a few days only that hasn't stopped me from having some of the most enjoyable times as far as mongering is concerned. I haven't and wouldn't try the long game as in my opinion as it defeats the purpose of this hobby. If I had that much time to spare I might as well find a sex partner at home (just my opinion and I am sure a lot of you would disagree).

I hope the above balances the Kiev scene and wish you all happy mongering.

[Stevie69]

Three months! That will be fantastic! Students also like professors!

Seriously many many thanks to Stevie69. That was 1 great report with years of experiences condensed into 1 such detailed report cover so many different aspects. I will be in Kiev, Kharkov and Poltave for about 3 months. I will try all their colleges because I'm still relatively young and look like college student.

[Stevie69]

Super job, Stevie69, possibly the best report here I've ever read!

It's very useful to know how to approach and proposition girls. And I agree that the price for 1 hour of fun should not exceed the price of 10 haircuts or 1 day's local pay.

Although I'm still not so sure that all girls can be potentially semi pros. Can you elaborate on that?

Has it ever happen to you that some girls were offended by your proposition?

What in your opinion is a good way to go about it without potentially offending girls? Anybody else here has a tried and true approach that saves both our and the girls' faces?

Thank you.

Women in Ukraine do not view prostitution as this horrible thing that western women think. For them, it is normal for the man to pay for everything, for the man to support them, and in return they are expected to dress nicely, keep the house clean, and be always available for sex. Furthermore, unless they are really disgusted by you, how can they turn down one week's wages for one hour of "work". Actually, that mentality transcends economic classes. Even oligarch daughters are semi-pros, but they extract a much higher price (a car, a trip to Rome, a luxury watch, etc.). They are also pragmatic. They like sex and men are willing to pay for it, so why not.

With that way of thinking, it is hard to be too offended by offers. Still, however, they like to think of the money as a "gift'. So, when proposing a semi-pro, that is a regular girl, use language that allows plausible deniability. You can offer money for her to "buy a sexy dress to wear on your next date". Or "help her with her school" or "make it worthwhile for her to come to your apartment", or something like that. Even when sex was technically free, I have always given at least 500 uah "to buy yourself something nice" or "for your taxi".

[NorthK]

There has been some great reports lately and this will be far from as detailed. My main goal of the trip was being a tourist, but then with some extras added for fun.

Met up with Andrei, who gave me a warm welcome. Never had such a nice welcome from a guy I hadn't met before. Truly a unique guy. On the negative side, his English is rather bad so I had trouble understanding him and he was usually running late. Unless you need someone to show you apartment girls I would see no need to contact him.

He showed me three apartments the first night, and I was disappointed with the girls. Though that might have been because we were early, between 8 and 9 pm. He apologized and said there are usually more attractive girls at these apartments. When we left the third apartment one attractive passed us in the elevator and I told him that she is the kind of girl I wanted so we went up again since she was just starting her shift. After going back up again I did notice that her smile was not the best and our personalities were not the best match, but I was tired of looking for girls so I booked her anyway. Told her to come to my apartment in 1 hour so I could grab some food first. Sex was OK, but nothing special.

The next day Andrei apologized for the troubles we had last night with finding someone and said if I trusted him he could send me an amazing girl this night who would be a good match for me. I said yes and at 9:30 pm she showed up and Andrei was there as well to help since she hardly spoke any English. Andrei left and we went up to my apartment. Her personality was a very good match. 24 years, a bit shy and had only been in this business for 2 months. Sadly she had some scars on her body and were a little bit chubby so that left me a bit disappointed in the physical department. Pretty much all of our conversations needed the help of Google Translate.

After finishing with her I went to Buddha bar with a guy I met while being a regular tourist. Free entrance, but the drinks are very expensive! Probably 90% of the girls here were working girls. We got eye contact with pretty much every one at the bar, but they were charging 300 USD and we would rather go to Rio if we were to spend that kind of money. So we went to Shooters. The place was smaller than expected. Girls were younger here, but lower ratio of working girls so we did encounter several who didn't want to talk to us. My new friend hit it off with one girl here, but decided that he would rather go to Rio. Service at Rio was nice and not as aggressive as I have experienced in the US for example. Though the night was getting late, after 3 am, so neither of us took a girl home.

Next night I went on a date with a girl from Tinder. I thought she was a working girl since she was like "Oh, you are in Kiev? We have to meet! Meet me at this bar at midnight, I can order you a taxi" Though she was more interested in practising her English and declined to come back to my apartment at the end of the night.

The following day I travelled to Lviv where I was mostly a regular tourist, but also here I approached girls during the daytime. Found a cute student who worked part time as a tour guide, not as an English speaking guide, but she happily gave me a tour of the city in exchange of practising her English. She said first that she could only do 5 minutes, but it ended up closer to 2 hours.

I found several working girls on Tinder, but some were horribly slow to answer, maybe a whole day between replies. Some of them I did not reach getting their number before I had already left for Lviv and deleted me promptly when I said I had left Kiev. As many have said before, start your preparations at least 2 weeks ahead of time, preferably even more.

Web sites, found I couple of girls I wanted to try there. Though I found the same photos under different phone numbers and some times different names as well. Messaged a few numbers and asked for a recent photo. All answers were in bad English, like "yes, my photo" or "yes, I'm 21" when I asked how old the photos were. Bad luck maybe, but I didn't want to take the risk of just booking and getting something completely different at the door.

Apartment girls, what are your preferences there? Nice and easy having them all lined up in their underwear. Thought it might be a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, but I was a bit disappointed and felt a bit awkward after the third apartment saying to Andrei that none of the girls had what I wanted. What did I want? I was hoping for seeing a girl and just think "Wow, her I want to fuck!" Maybe I was too picky? Maybe all the best girls have been taken off to the US, Dubai, Western Europe, etc. Combination of both? Maybe.

In case anyone wonders about the regular tourist stuff I would highly recommend Chernobyl. Free walking tours of the city and Couchsurfing hangouts are a great way of meeting regular people who speaks good English. If you guys want a different experience I suggest Masochist cafe in Lviv. Ice cubes, hot wax from a candle, whipping. All done to you by a sexy 20-ish year old waitresses. Every one of them I would have said were an 8 or 9. Several videos of it on youtube if you are curious. All is done out in the open so you can watch the other guests if you don't dare to try it yourself. Still have bruises on my back from the whipping, they are not kidding around!

Will I go back to Kiev? Probably. Not in hope of finding lots of 9-10's, but I enjoyed the cities and Ukraine as a country. Also it will be interesting to see if any of the seemingly normal girls I found during the daytime will evolve into something. What will I do different the next time? Start preparing earlier and probably bring one of my Russian speaking friends from home. Only shitty thing is that all of them are women, haha.

[DramaFree11]

I don't think it will have that much of an affect in the foreseeable future. The former is of almost no consequence. It's still a form of ID that requires government approval to acquire. The latter doesn't change who will be actually visiting Ukraine and spending money, at least. Sure, Ukrainians can go abroad a little easier but all it really means is that instead of Egypt or Turkey or some other visa free travel destination, they will spend their money in a European country. It certainly won't give Ukrainians more money to travel, which most can't afford to do anyway. The real benefit is that one can invite a Ukrainian chick on a holiday in Europe and not have to worry about the paperwork and visa hassle, which is what I will be doing.

This is not a good thing. All Kiev needs is more Turkish guys'.

[Muddy7]

Hey, stick to just tourist activities. Apart from the overpriced Rio, and the reliable, but just above average in looks Gia. There is very little happening. If you lived there and had a lot of time to invest, I am sure women can be had, but for purely mongering it is hard work with little reward.

If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else..

I agree, especially now that its easier for them to travel to euro cities.

[Muddy7]

Hello all,

This morning I was sending messages to chicks and suddenly I took this message ' your IP Address have been blocked ' now I can't enter my mamba account even though I have VIP membership.

So what can I do for this problem?

Could you help me please? I need your recommends.

Happy hunting.

Fuck mamba, did the same to me.