Kyiv

[EnricoMacias]

I think you were born in a modern country and you live in a modern country also.

You do not know the conditions of the a country where restrictions exists. I was born in turkey and for 5 years working in gulf countries.

You don't know the value of fundamental rights and freedoms because no one can try to restrict from you in your modern countries. However, in our countries, your fundamental rights and freedoms are not granted us yet.

Bellbottomdj.

I do not know how old you are and your nationality but as far as I understood from your response that you have the lack of empathy. In history class, our teacher tells us not to criticize the history according to today's conditions. Depending on time and locations, some values might change.

I will try to explain you one more time.

The reason why thousands of Turkish people did not visit Ukraine yet was not financial. They have already enough money. They have already passport because they trade with China, Iran, Morocco, Algeria. So the concern is not the money of passport. The concern is the Religions and ethical concerns. In Muslim, Turkish culture, it is not accepted sex without wedding which is called Zina. So the supporters of the current government, try to avoid visit Ukraine because Ukraine=sex in turkey. It is not easy to explain.

Do not misunderstand me. I do not say supporters of current government live according to Islam. On the contrary, they do everything but behind the doors. Without any evidence. They drink alcohol, sell drugs, trade via immigrants. They sex with Ukrainians, Russian, Moroccans but in secured villas / hotels without any evidence.

And mongers, I visited Kiev 6 times since 2012. I know the conditions. Turks invaded Kiev and other cities already. OK. But these animals, were not the government side. These turkish who already visited was from the side who don't trade with government&supporters. Now, the majority will also join to come to Kiev.

This new visiting system is not effective still, I will write here. Then try to observe whether I am wrong.

I don't quite understand how this will cause some kind of wave of Turkish men to blow pussy price out of the roof? Unless a passport costs a Turkish citizen $10,000 or you have to be royalty to get one, what difference will it really make? Obviously Turkish men are already flooding Kiev, so this comment about Muslim men having trouble getting into the country now (pre 2 days ago) sounds like BS to me. Now they don't have to go get a passport and have it stamped to get in the country and they save 15 minutes at the airport. Maybe it works different over there, but I paid my $80, gave them my picture and I was mailed a passport. Sorry, I don't get it. Sounds like you are trying to detour everyone else from going so you can help your odds dude, haha.

I live in Kiev. There was always a lot of Turkish because they do not need a visa and a cheap flight. From this innovation, their number will not increase, as they previously did not let to come here.

[KievUA]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.

I live in Kiev. There was always a lot of Turkish because they do not need a visa and a cheap flight. From this innovation, their number will not increase, as they previously did not let to come here.

[KievUA]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.

I live in Kiev. There was always a lot of Turkish because they do not need a visa and a cheap flight. From this innovation, their number will not increase, as they previously did not let to come here.

[Misterxxx]

I have a question: what year is this report based on? Vodka Bar is permanently closed since Maidan fights!

No. It was open at the time of Maidan and even after the Maidan. But absolutely empty and with new doormen who had a very strange behavior (skybar restrictions). Now = Closed. Probably forever.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.

I don't quite understand how this will cause some kind of wave of Turkish men to blow pussy price out of the roof? Unless a passport costs a Turkish citizen $10,000 or you have to be royalty to get one, what difference will it really make? Obviously Turkish men are already flooding Kiev, so this comment about Muslim men having trouble getting into the country now (pre 2 days ago) sounds like BS to me. Now they don't have to go get a passport and have it stamped to get in the country and they save 15 minutes at the airport. Maybe it works different over there, but I paid my $80, gave them my picture and I was mailed a passport. Sorry, I don't get it. Sounds like you are trying to detour everyone else from going so you can help your odds dude, haha.

[MagicSheep74]

I have a question: what year is this report based on? Vodka Bar is permanently closed since Maidan fights!

Sorry by empty, I mean closed.

[Guntherus]

Vodka Bar. Empty.

I have a question: what year is this report based on? Vodka Bar is permanently closed since Maidan fights!

[EnricoMacias]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.

[MagicSheep74]

Fair point Riina, I get the message. If your new to posting and new to the dreaded Kiev thread, kindly mind you own business, haha.

Best reliable agency in Kiev. Gia.

Katyia / $200.

Looks 7/10.

Service 7/10.

Repeat / No.

Shooters.

Busy place on a Saturday night.

Picked up Ana and agreed $200 all night.

Looks 7/10.

Service 9/10.

Repeat. No.

Mamba. Complete Joke. Months of work for 3 no shows and one 6/10 who smelled like a dead rat.

Sky Bar. Turkish men foaming at the mouth over heavily made up girls who believed they were superstars, but sadly they were not.

Rio. Great fun, decent priced drinks, excellent private dances with touching included.

Took out Olga for $300, tall blond with nice body and average face.

Went for sushi and back to the 11 Mirrors Hotel next door for night of sex.

Looks 7/10.

Service 8/10.

Repeat. For $300 / NO.

Vodka Bar. Empty.

Hooked up with a pretty girl from VK. Went out for a nice dinner, and she spoke excellent English. She made it very clear from the outset she was looking for a serious relationship and we should get to know each other slowly. I appreciated her honestly and we have stayed in contact on a regular basis.

That's my quick report, nothing new I guess. My introduction to the Kiev thread was to try and understand the fascination with Kiev, and the women that reside there. I was initially trying to find out where I can find a standard higher than an average looking girl. I have come to the conclusion that unless I am willing to learn some Russian and live there for a considerable amount of time, then its not really likely.

Unless I return, I will keep my opinions of other countries and Kiev to myself.

Note. Non offence intended to anyone here, these were just my observations. Kiev is crap for mongering.

[Riina]

Why is it that the members posting about all the pussies they are meeting do not even have twenty reports to their handle? Must be the curse of Kiev. Once you toot your horn about all the great action you're having, you ghost the thread forever.

[MagicSheep74]

Ukraine is not Malaga. Or Spain. Apart the fact that you are telling that in Spain you can fuck 9 or 10 easily, I doubt, been to Ibiza many times and is all apart easy, and the 9 and 10, of my scale, will just drink all your 300 dollar in some hours, figure they got fucked.

The fact you won't go in Kiev anymore is only a plus really. The less people like you come Kiev the better. Normal girl are spoilt by tourist the less the better.

Thanks Luis.

So you are basically saying that living there and speaking some Russian could yield some success. I completely agree this would be true.

I said, and I quote about living in Spain - 'The standard is high and will always find someone very attractive' Not that I easily fuck 9 or 10's. I was referring to the 100's of clubs of all the countries full of Eastern European pussy of a high standard that can be taken for $80/30 minutes or $300 overnight.

Finally, my apologies us spoiling Kiev, I never realized I done so much damage to the girls looks and mentality in my 10 days there, LOL.

Like you say yourself, the girls now look like a 'A Monkey's Arsehole.'

So I will leave you to it.

All the best.

[MagicSheep74]

Jonaswray LOL. Totally agree.

I've been all over the world mongering all over the world and by far the women in Eastern Europe are by far the hottest with SE Asians being a relatively close second.

I've been to Ukraine twice in the last year and I had so many dates set up in a two week time span (all between 8 and 10's) that I had to stand some of them up.

And those are just girls I met randomly while I was there.

As for working girls, I used GIA and got a easy 8 girl for $100. She looked exactly like her pictures so I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of any of their girls. And if that is any indication, you can easily get 9 or 10 quality girls on that website for at most, $250 US short time.

[LuisVega11]

Luis,

Can you please tell me where I can fuck 9 or 10/10 in Kiev for $300 ? I paid $300 for a 9/10 Iranian in Dubai overnight. It was $3700 cheaper than you thought. If I can get a reliable source for fucking model material women for $300 in Kiev, I will jump on a plane and come back. I am only looking to pay money to fuck very attractive women, not average looking single mums from mamba, My reason for mongering is have memories for a lifetime by having sex with women that were to beautiful to forget. The type of women that are very difficult to obtain in normal day to day life. I did not find this in Kiev, nothing above a 6 or 7.

In conclusion, and my last ever post in the Kiev thread. The general consensus.

If you are unfortunate enough to live in Kiev. It is possible to get a good looking girl or build up some regular worthwhile contact.

If you are planning to visit for a holiday. Prepare to be disappointed, and set your standards low, then you might be pleasantly surprised.

Happy hunting,

MagicSheep.

Well I'm 4 years going in Kiev spending more than 50 days per year. So I think I'm mildly disappointed.

Some points.

- everybody has its scale. Personally I don't understand what is 9-10 for you or me'. You talk about dubai spin. Most of those girl for me don't reach 7-8. Maybe for you are 9 -0. I imagine silicone boobs, fit body, silicon lips, cheap face. Yes those girls you can find for example in Sky bar or Gulliver? Or in dubai. Well for me they not reach 7 but maybe for you 9-10. I have friend in Kiev, girl, who I'm sure you won't notice in the street, but if they undress and put bikini your jaw will drop to the soil.

- 300 dollar buy a lot in Kiev. But you need to be smart and self confidence. 300 dollar are a lot of money now in Kiev. So if you can't find a beauty for that sum. I think you have some problems. I don't look for pay girl already told.

Kiev paying is full of scum. Kiev is for thise who have time and know a bit off Russian. The rest will rely on mamba and clearly got fucked up.

- Ukraine is not Malaga. Or Spain. Apart the fact that you are telling that in Spain you can fuck 9 or 10 easily, I doubt, been to Ibiza many times and is all apart easy, and the 9 and 10, of my scale, will just drink all your 300 dollar in some hours, figure they got fucked.

- unfortunate? I live in Kiev and is much much better than many city. I walk all night never had a problem, people are friendly and girl amazing. Sure if you cannot find a normal girl, I agree Kiev sucks for pay only.

This girl, I don't know if it's a 6-8-7. I know I sponsor her always 700 gryvna meet, sometimes a little gift nothing fancy. And she was 18. Super tight pussy. Body that in any western country will make cover of playboy. But to find such gem you need to work hard, and know Ukraine. Unluckily after some months Kiev spoilt this girl, and thanks to foreigners like you probably, sh now ask for 150 200 dollar minimum.

The fact you won't go in Kiev anymore is only a plus really. The less people like you come Kiev the better. Normal girl are spoilt by tourist the less the better.

[EnricoMacias]

I checked the link and the girls seems familiar for me. Then I remembered some girls.

It is the best massage parlor of Kiev, it seems they launched new website.

Moulin = vipmassage.

I was there https://vipmassage.kiev.ua/en.

Hi Magicsheep,

Greeting from Doha. I have been working in Doha since 2012 but I have never been to Dubai. If such promotions are available, it is a must for me to visit Dubai at least 1 time each month)).

Luis,

Can you please tell me where I can fuck 9 or 10/10 in Kiev for $300 ? I paid $300 for a 9/10 Iranian in Dubai overnight.

MagicSheep.

[JonasWRay]

LOL. Totally agree.

I've been all over the world mongering all over the world and by far the women in Eastern Europe are by far the hottest with SE Asians being a relatively close second.

I've been to Ukraine twice in the last year and I had so many dates set up in a two week time span (all between 8 and 10's) that I had to stand some of them up.

And those are just girls I met randomly while I was there.

As for working girls, I used GIA and got a easy 8 girl for $100. She looked exactly like her pictures so I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of any of their girls. And if that is any indication, you can easily get 9 or 10 quality girls on that website for at most, $250 US short time.

So I have absolutely no idea where all the negativity is coming from with all the posts as of late. Ukraine is a thousand times better than here in the US. Where you have to pay 2 to 3 times as much to get a 6 or a 7 and ridiculous amounts to even think about anything higher than a 7.

First of all Kiev isn't a country, so it's kind of hard to compare just Kiev to whole other countries.

But you got dumped by a local girl and claim you'll never come back, so why stalk the board then? We get it, you hate Ukrainian women now, just move on.

BTW, you can take an average looking lady from Kiev and she'll be a 10 in Mexico, so your standards are WAY off.