Kyiv

[Aek513]

And every agency has "real" photos in the internet. ?
The price 400/600 UAH is true. But they will try to charge you for every extra + The quality of the girls will be low. Better if you don't expect anything.
They post the photos to make the customers horny. Most of the photos even don't show the type of the girls that they offer.
If you call for a blonde slim beauty the chance is higher that they send a 40 year old Brunette (fat, of course) instead of a super-model.
Don't try to argue with "I send the girl home without any payment". After the 3rd, 4th, 5th girl you have to accept that kind of business-methods.

Honestly I haven't been there myself. What I did is sitting in my London flat I called them and checked the prices.

I am planning to travel to Ukraine next month.

And almost everything you wrote about pics looks like true.

However, what will happen if I arrange an incall appointment with that woman but I absolutely wouldn't like her?

When I come to them instead of "a slim beautiful blonde" will appear "an ugly fat cow" ha ha ha.

Can I say them that I don't like that lady and let me go please?

Have you ever had the similar situation?

[TeFab456]

More and more I find the general spirit in this forum a bit discomforting.

To go to Kiev to find escorts for 25 € (of which the girl will receive 10 to 12 €) should not be the standard by which to judge a city. And the chase for freebies will depend, as has been mentioned countless times before, on at least some sort of interest for the place, the culture and the conditions of living (not to speak of personal appearance and general degree of humanity).

For escort in Kiev I usually go to Backpage. There are some interesting semi agencies and also the occasional individual girl. Prices start at 2000 UAH per hour, and with a few extras for another 1000 you can get a very uninhibited GFE, OWO and CIM which is not cheap anymore, but frankly way beyond what you can get for that money in Western Europe. Read the ads, and if you have some sense for nuance you will find the girls I am talking about.

For all the other dreams you have to work the dating and travel websites, which are still very rewarding if you have the patience. And a walk on Kreshatyk or an afternoon in a cafe on Bessarabskaya can still pay off, if you are confident and don't appear too needy.

[Misterxxx]

Why so expensive?
I found a few escorts agencies on internet and then called them and they confirm that the price is from 400 UAH to 600 UAH an hour.
1 $ = 26 UAH. I called not just 1 agency but 5 escort agencies.

And every agency has "real" photos in the internet. ?
The price 400/600 UAH is true. But they will try to charge you for every extra + The quality of the girls will be low. Better if you don't expect anything.
They post the photos to make the customers horny. Most of the photos even don't show the type of the girls that they offer.
If you call for a blonde slim beauty the chance is higher that they send a 40 year old Brunette (fat, of course) instead of a super-model.
Don't try to argue with "I send the girl home without any payment". After the 3rd, 4th, 5th girl you have to accept that kind of business-methods.

[Aek513]

Day 2 in Kiev.

BS or not I pick her but then we talk price. 3000 uah / h. I negotiate but nothing under 2000..

Why so expensive?

I found a few escorts agencies on internet and then called them and they confirm that the price is from 400 UAH to 600 UAH an hour.

1 $ = 26 UAH. I called not just 1 agency but 5 escort agencies.

[CallSign Papa]

After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.

If you came to Kiev specifically for pussy, and you did zero prep or research, this is exactly what happens.

[Volpone]

After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.

So in Kiev we arrive on Thursday for first time in Kiev and went to Arena complex around 22 00 was almost dead we eat something and around 2330 went to shooters, I been in Bangkok for a year so I was looking for the freelance girls you find a BKK, so that day was Salsa day ratio was 1 boy 1 girl, girls between 7 and 9, but average 7, everybody dancing Latino music, I am very bad dancing but suddenly an 8 jump on me to dance and I think bingo lucky day, but she just wanted to dance no drink no anything, so I keep on trying many girls but they only want to dance, I also I do not find any other tourist to find if is any kind of code or anything. So I did not came here to work as hell, so we go back home and go to the net, do not do that, we call 800 grinas hour girls, we order 4 hours, it came a 3 (20) and a 5 (21), we both take the five and 2 hours later send them home. So first day a total disaster.

Next day we try the street, seems like the normal girls do not have money to go out, is possible to arrange dates, but we do not have time for that, I am talking girls that can be 7 or 8.

In the night we go to De luxe, since everybody said you could find working girls there. We get in and find many 8 and 9, the ratio is bad 2 guys 1 girl also some tourist from turkey and the others from Europe, everybody we the some plan. I see two nine without a drink with max 20 years old, we approach and they take the offer asking right away for champagne, we buy Prosseco since they did not have a clew what was champagne, the finish the drink and disappear, then we start again, I start to talk with a girl from Ukraine on 3 day holidays in Kiev and she tell me is tired that everybody think she is working meanwhile I talk to her more guys approach her is crazy, I talk all the girls available but no case, I take a trip to see who is having girls, and are only the ones having more than 3 bottles in the table, I get the idea to change club and try to check Caribbean club.

In the way out approach another tourist, they been in Caribbean club on Thursday and they tell me sucks, come with us we going to check a Strip club, I read here you can pay for a girl there so why not check it out, I take a car with them and since I read here you can get girls for 2000 grinas I ask the driver about that he said no problem, he leave the guys in the strip club and take me to an apartment since I tired and is late in the first apartment we find 3 sevens, I take one home for 100 grinas extra so everything 2100.

I take the drivers number so the next day before going out we go to checks apartments this time I pay attention, and this one is good for everyone if you are outside arena club, or vapiano or the Ferrari store, you looking to this places go to the left is the last door before the corner, you just ring and is those places where you take a drink and the girl dance, important do not order a drink a corona cost me 500 grinas.

Prices here are 1600 grinas for 6 or 7 or 2600 for 7 to 9, I got 1 from here 21 was an 8 she was amazing. Always 100 extra to take her home.

After that we go to Indigo I like it more than De luxe since the ratio was 1 to 1, we try here but we only find one working girl but was a 6, in this place you can see at least 10 nines many 7 and 8, it was some Turkish tourist is like you find them everywhere. This club is nice to have fun, I liked is clean friendly people but we could not get anything.

Then I say we do not try Forsage everybody is saying is the students club, I assume there must be the working girls, since all the ones I got were students. We get there the public is younger, cheaper, in the basement nice dance floor with non electronic commercial music but un ratio 3 boys 2 girls and not many beautiful, first floor many African and Turkish tourist again with Latino music ratio there is bad also quality, then second floor pop music ratio 1 to 1 and you could find some 9 but no one alone we try the 7 same of them are friendly some not but again we are tired so we give up.

I only recommend that club if you like electronic music, DJ was very good the some for the crowd in the basement they were having fun, the same at indigo but more commercial and upscale.

Even I did not went I heard a lot about Heaven between 6 am and 10 to have fun in after hour.

So coming back to the apartments another one that I remember is Velyka Vas street the building beside the restaurant puzata hata, the left one, in the 6 floor, you find many 7 some 8 and if you are lucky a 9 this place is 1500 grinas hour, just wait somebody go out and climb the 6 floor the left one.

So what I felt is take a one night stand and I not much easier that in another place is only that you have more money here, I see you could get nice dating but you need time for that, meaning you could get a hooter girlfriend that back home, then go for the girls is use in between 60 usd and 100 usd hour. So if you do not know anybody go outside a club find a driver that know the apartments and he will take you to a tour, he will get a commission from the agency around 500 grinas, so offer to pay 500 to him and get cheaper rate in the agency, if not the agency will charge full price every time you go.

My friend and many others recommend me the erotic massages, I did not tried but heard that is cheap and good 2 hours.

So despite that Kiev is a nice city to discover if you never been, is not many tourist, you can have for not to much money and the if you want the easy just go to the apartments and pick a girl because if you are not Brad Pitt or Justin no one will jump on you, if it was a time in Kiev that girls jump on you no does time are over.

Good report about the private apartments in Kiev.

Was BBBJ included in the price mentionned? I don't think so. Every time I was in that kind of flats, I had to pay an extra at least the fourth of the price. So when you pay 1500 UAH and with an extra of 500 for BBBJ = 2000 UAH, so more than 70 Euros. So still more expensive than many brothels or apartments in Germany and in Spain. There it's usually around 50-60 Euros for 30 minutes with BBBJ included. And you don't have to pay someone to go to the address, you don't risk to have some problems with the police like some guys told about it.

If you have to come in Kiev for private or professional reasons, that's still a good deal once in a while. However if you are coming from Western Europe or the USA or Asia to enjoy these prices, I don't think that's a bargain.

It's also interesting to see in your report, how hard it is to bring back home normal girls in the street or in discos even for a good looking guy, that has maybe more success at home.

I've been to Forsage, forget it. I didn't find any working girls there and nobody was impressed if you are from Western Europe or from the USA.

[Riina]

http://www.politico.eu/article/sex-t...-human-rights/

Worth reading.

[Stavagner]

After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.

So in Kiev we arrive on Thursday for first time in Kiev and went to Arena complex around 22 00 was almost dead we eat something and around 2330 went to shooters, I been in Bangkok for a year so I was looking for the freelance girls you find a BKK, so that day was Salsa day ratio was 1 boy 1 girl, girls between 7 and 9, but average 7, everybody dancing Latino music, I am very bad dancing but suddenly an 8 jump on me to dance and I think bingo lucky day, but she just wanted to dance no drink no anything, so I keep on trying many girls but they only want to dance, I also I do not find any other tourist to find if is any kind of code or anything. So I did not came here to work as hell, so we go back home and go to the net, do not do that, we call 800 grinas hour girls, we order 4 hours, it came a 3 (20) and a 5 (21), we both take the five and 2 hours later send them home. So first day a total disaster.

Next day we try the street, seems like the normal girls do not have money to go out, is possible to arrange dates, but we do not have time for that, I am talking girls that can be 7 or 8.

In the night we go to De luxe, since everybody said you could find working girls there. We get in and find many 8 and 9, the ratio is bad 2 guys 1 girl also some tourist from turkey and the others from Europe, everybody we the some plan. I see two nine without a drink with max 20 years old, we approach and they take the offer asking right away for champagne, we buy Prosseco since they did not have a clew what was champagne, the finish the drink and disappear, then we start again, I start to talk with a girl from Ukraine on 3 day holidays in Kiev and she tell me is tired that everybody think she is working meanwhile I talk to her more guys approach her is crazy, I talk all the girls available but no case, I take a trip to see who is having girls, and are only the ones having more than 3 bottles in the table, I get the idea to change club and try to check Caribbean club.

In the way out approach another tourist, they been in Caribbean club on Thursday and they tell me sucks, come with us we going to check a Strip club, I read here you can pay for a girl there so why not check it out, I take a car with them and since I read here you can get girls for 2000 grinas I ask the driver about that he said no problem, he leave the guys in the strip club and take me to an apartment since I tired and is late in the first apartment we find 3 sevens, I take one home for 100 grinas extra so everything 2100.

I take the drivers number so the next day before going out we go to checks apartments this time I pay attention, and this one is good for everyone if you are outside arena club, or vapiano or the Ferrari store, you looking to this places go to the left is the last door before the corner, you just ring and is those places where you take a drink and the girl dance, important do not order a drink a corona cost me 500 grinas.

Prices here are 1600 grinas for 6 or 7 or 2600 for 7 to 9, I got 1 from here 21 was an 8 she was amazing. Always 100 extra to take her home.

After that we go to Indigo I like it more than De luxe since the ratio was 1 to 1, we try here but we only find one working girl but was a 6, in this place you can see at least 10 nines many 7 and 8, it was some Turkish tourist is like you find them everywhere. This club is nice to have fun, I liked is clean friendly people but we could not get anything.

Then I say we do not try Forsage everybody is saying is the students club, I assume there must be the working girls, since all the ones I got were students. We get there the public is younger, cheaper, in the basement nice dance floor with non electronic commercial music but un ratio 3 boys 2 girls and not many beautiful, first floor many African and Turkish tourist again with Latino music ratio there is bad also quality, then second floor pop music ratio 1 to 1 and you could find some 9 but no one alone we try the 7 same of them are friendly some not but again we are tired so we give up.

I only recommend that club if you like electronic music, DJ was very good the some for the crowd in the basement they were having fun, the same at indigo but more commercial and upscale.

Even I did not went I heard a lot about Heaven between 6 am and 10 to have fun in after hour.

So coming back to the apartments another one that I remember is Velyka Vas street the building beside the restaurant puzata hata, the left one, in the 6 floor, you find many 7 some 8 and if you are lucky a 9 this place is 1500 grinas hour, just wait somebody go out and climb the 6 floor the left one.

So what I felt is take a one night stand and I not much easier that in another place is only that you have more money here, I see you could get nice dating but you need time for that, meaning you could get a hooter girlfriend that back home, then go for the girls is use in between 60 usd and 100 usd hour. So if you do not know anybody go outside a club find a driver that know the apartments and he will take you to a tour, he will get a commission from the agency around 500 grinas, so offer to pay 500 to him and get cheaper rate in the agency, if not the agency will charge full price every time you go.

My friend and many others recommend me the erotic massages, I did not tried but heard that is cheap and good 2 hours.

So despite that Kiev is a nice city to discover if you never been, is not many tourist, you can have for not to much money and the if you want the easy just go to the apartments and pick a girl because if you are not Brad Pitt or Justin no one will jump on you, if it was a time in Kiev that girls jump on you no does time are over.

[Harry Hardman]

I just want to add that it's not just the first time monger who arrives having done no preparation is doomed to failure but also the mongers that don't have your kind of extensive experience and network will also be disappointed now (after this summer).

The pay off rate is very low now even if the first time monger who arrives having done good preparation.

The pay off rate is much lower for mongers who's been here from 2013 to 2016 than that for the mongers who'd been here 2004 to 2007, for the same length of time!

The pay-off is even much lower now than that of last year for most mongers!

I was surprised after this summer.

Then we are both in agreement that the first time monger who arrives having done no preparation is doomed to failure. But my point is that this has always been the case. It isn't a recent thing. I do not agree that all the best girls have left at any greater rate than previously (although I hear Ukrainians aren't far way from getting access to EU travel, so that definitely will change things).

I live in Dubai and I can tell you that we've had no influx of pretty young Ukrainian girls. There have always been some here, they come and go.

What irks me, is that we get post after post of "Kiev is shit these days, don't come", with no responsibility being taken. It's the city's fault, not the poster's lack of prep or wherewithal.

I'm old and grumpy, it could just be that.

[Harry Hardman]

Both meaningful posts.

Thanks for your comment.

[CallSign Papa]

If you would mention about the tons of time and years of work you had to put in to get the experience in your reports, it'd be great and it will certainly help those who will get eluded otherwise.

Then we are both in agreement that the first time monger who arrives having done no preparation is doomed to failure. But my point is that this has always been the case. It isn't a recent thing. I do not agree that all the best girls have left at any greater rate than previously (although I hear Ukrainians aren't far way from getting access to EU travel, so that definitely will change things).

I live in Dubai and I can tell you that we've had no influx of pretty young Ukrainian girls. There have always been some here, they come and go.

What irks me, is that we get post after post of "Kiev is shit these days, don't come", with no responsibility being taken. It's the city's fault, not the poster's lack of prep or wherewithal.

I'm old and grumpy, it could just be that.

[Riina]

I've been going to Kiev since 2004 including a six month spell living in the city. I know my way around, I know the way it was and I know the way it is now. Your posts do not reflect my experiences or the experience of the mongers I see / speak to in Kiev. Sorry you're having a bad time there, have you ever thought the problem might be you?

People who suggest that you used to be able to just turn up to kiev 10 years ago and be rolling in pussy are perpetuating a myth. Kiev takes work, but the rewards are worth it.

If you're a first time visitor to kiev you had better have developed a good contact network before you arrive. Dating sites and social media have always been (for me) the easiest and best way of accessing young hot girls. The nightlife in Kiev is fun, but even in the old days, if you were a foreigner hunting solo, you were treated with suspicion until you could prove otherwise (unless you were at the RP).

The fact it, Kiev isn't a decent mongering destination for people who don't speak at least basic Russian (and Ukrainian is better these days). Agencies are hit (and mostly miss), strip clubs are expensive (for takeout) and there isn't a "red light" area like Bangkok or Frankfurt. You have to make your own luck, and it takes time and patience, the same as it's always been, and anyone telling you any different is bullshitting.

Thanks for your polite response).

I am sure you know your way around) I can see why you can still get your ways.

My posts do reflect the experiences of most mongers in Kiev, especially the newbies or the want to be Kiev mongers, though they don't reflect yours.

My experience stated in my posts is supported by other posts from other senior members. Most mongers here don't have a 12 years of network as you do. Neither do they have the language fluency as you do, and etc.

I simply wrote to bring attention to those mongers; so they won't be eluded if they so chose to come here.

You really should not be reading my posts and try to relate them to yourself but try to put yourself in the shoes of those mongers who have less years of network or are the new comers.

Thanks again for your politeness.

Both meaningful posts.

[Harry Hardman]

You know this how exactly?

Read my previous posts related to Kiev and you'll see that most of them contain information to help first time visitors. That's what this site is for.

Can you also please clarify what you meant by senior members questioning the validity of my reports? News to me.

If you've read my reports carefully, I never said they questioned the validity of your reports but the reports of others painting a rosy picture of the mongering scene here recently.

If you would mention about the tons of time and years of work you had to put in to get the experience in your reports, it'd be great and it will certainly help those who will get eluded otherwise.

[Volpone]

Well gentlemen, the last time I was in Kiev was in April 2014. It was my second time there and I had a great time both times. After that I started going to Russia and, although Russia was an amazing social experiment, and I ended up dating and bedding about a dozen "regular" girls aged 19-30 (only one ever asked for any "help" and it was a ridiculously small amount for the amount of fun I had with her), I have been saying once I lost my last girlfriend, I would return to Kiev. That time has come.

Now I have read so many reports about how bad things are in Kiev. How the good looking girls are all gone and how mongering has become a challenging endeavor. But it seems to me that most of the people making these reports are not going at it the right way. In Russia, almost every girl I was with after my first visit were through contacts I had from previous visits. I built relationships through relationships. I started seeing friends of friends.

It seems to me that everyone is complaining about high prices, bad agencies and apartments, expensive strip clubs and everything else. To say that all the opportunities in Kiev are gone and all the smart and pretty girls have left the city is absurd. Ukraine is an extremely poor country and there are plenty of beautiful girls around. I believe the trick is not meeting girls on Mamba, or online. I believe the trick to meeting "regular" girls is through making contacts and building relationships. As such, I am going to try a social experiment that I will try to share with this group. It will take time and money, and I will certainly sleep alone many nights, but I believe I can quickly build a solid core of girls that will feed an indefinite supply of contacts for as long as I want to keep going there (assuming Ukraine doesn't become a member of the EU).

I am 48 and certainly not a good looking guy. I don't have a nice smile and I don't have a deep voice. I am tall and have a damn good body for my age and I dress well, I am smart, and I am confident but caring and attentive. I believe I can bed at least two 7+ normal girls in the 11 days I will be there later this month. I believe the contacts I make will grow as I return to the city.

I think you new mongers to the city are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It does take work and time, but I think that time is not well spent on Mamba. Figure out how to make contacts, andbuild on those contacts. I assure you, opportunities will arise. Not every girl wants to move away from Kiev, and there are plenty of girls that would love someone to treat them well, even if only part time.

This is my belief. I will let you know how the experiment goes.

One expat, that has been living in Russia and in Kiev, told me that it was easier to date in Moscow than in Kiev. Some others expats working in Kiev told me how hard it was for them to get a girlfriend. They were surprised about that. I think you have an asset if you come from Poland and you understand Russian or Ukrainian. So you can meet another kind of girls, that haven't met so many foreigners. However be ready to be pinned, seen as a sex tourist. Furthermore foreigners are not the novelty they once were and many of these girls are Westernized.

Of course if you plan to bed some girls from 30 to 50 years old, well you must succeed. But if you prefer younger girls like I do, it will be so much easier for white guys to go to Central and South America, Africa and Asia, well nearly half of the world. Your whiteness has no value in Ukraine, but it's a big asset on these 3 continents, where you can definitely with some hard work bedding a few 18-30 years old girls.

Anyway let us know how your experiment goes.

[Rammstein2]

Kiev takes work, but the rewards are worth it. If you're a first time visitor to kiev you had better have developed a good contact network before you arrive. Dating sites and social media have always been (for me) the easiest and best way of accessing young hot girls.

That's 100 % true! The very most foreigners who are coming to Kiev are not able or willing to spent so many time and work for looking girls.