Kyiv

[Ajaax]

Hello EnricoMacias,

How did you find the girls before you arrive? Do you get by some websites or some kind of social media platforms?

[Sean EZ]

And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up. There are not that many oligarchs to go around. Even if each oligarch keeps a small harem on call, of 10,20, or even 50 girls, that still leaves hundreds of thousands without sponsors. Furthermore, being on one of those harems is probably highly competitive and all the spots are taken by the hard-core pros.

In my experience, and I think Enrico would agree, the best is dealing with non-pros who just need a little extra money for the month.

The times of one guy sponsoring several girls are gone, economy is bad. Also many of these girls like to party and guys who know how to party (get tables, etc) that's why you see so many girls with turkish guys even though they all say they don't like them. An observation, on a busy Fri or Sat night a pair of girls walking through Arena will be approached by many turkish guys, some are very annoyed by this because not every girl is a working girl, some girls just want to go out and party and they are being offered money all night.

[Fijiman]

For the students which some mongers asked, they are being served me by a lady which I fucked 2012. She has promoted and now searching ladies for me. If it is 1200 uah (40 dollars) for one hour, I think 200 goes to student and 1000 goes for this lady. I do not negotiate with that lady. I just ask, "send me 5 ladies blonde and I will choose 1 of them). Then after some time (usually 40 minutes), the taxi comes with 4-5 girls and I chose one of them. If I like another one, I can choose 2 at the same time if I feel strong enough.
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This lady (agent) send you five girls in a taxi, you pick one, and you pay $40 total for the agent, taxi and the girl? Of which $8 goes to the girl?

[EnricoMacias]

I offered to join me for the Skybar so the afternoon girl left and went home for clothe change. We meet at the door of Skybar at 23:45 but unfortunately due to her shoes, bodyguard did not let us go inside. And they brought my money back which I paid before. We went to Caribbean, and it was good. Last 3-4, I did not enjoyed such. The girl satisfied me as a girlfriend and all kinds of dirty dance. My hands played her pussy all the night. We came home around 5:30. We sat and drink tea and then I fucked her one more time. We slept until 12:00 today then woke up. One more time I fucked her. Then we took shower, and had breakfast. Due to my evening program I had to find a lie to send her. Anyhow she went around 14:00. But she is keep asking me to come / stay this night.

Today evening, there will be no score for me only dinner and disco night with 3 girls I already booked and paid Skybar again.

And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up. There are not that many oligarchs to go around. Even if each oligarch keeps a small harem on call, of 10,20, or even 50 girls, that still leaves hundreds of thousands without sponsors. Furthermore, being on one of those harems is probably highly competitive and all the spots are taken by the hard-core pros.

In my experience, and I think Enrico would agree, the best is dealing with non-pros who just need a little extra money for the month.

Yes, 100% agree.

For this visit, I have not called any saloon or this lady yet to provide me girls. There are enough ladies on the internet who is looking for extra money because economy is really bad. (in 2011 one usd was 8 grivnas, now it is 26 grivna).

I did not search anything on the street because there are thousands of Arabs, Egyptian, Turks are already staring girls and stopping them.

That time I realized that the best girls of Ukraine are taken by local rich people. The remaining best girls are travelling to dubai, France, Maldives as a suitcase of a rich Arab, or European thanks to social media like Instagram.

The ones that we are chatting are the rest and most probably the worst of the product.

[CallSign Papa]

And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up.

Very true Steve, but don't forget the (unfortunately) larger group of rich guys external to Ukraine who are happy to import these girls to Dubai / Thailand / Maldives at the drop of a hat. Still, like you I think the general idea that girls in this age range have all "discovered their true worth" is at odds with my experiences in Kiev over the last three months.

Notwithstanding first time visitors to Kiev, given the currency issues the monger should still have the upper hand.

[Stevie69]

And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up. There are not that many oligarchs to go around. Even if each oligarch keeps a small harem on call, of 10,20, or even 50 girls, that still leaves hundreds of thousands without sponsors. Furthermore, being on one of those harems is probably highly competitive and all the spots are taken by the hard-core pros.

In my experience, and I think Enrico would agree, the best is dealing with non-pros who just need a little extra money for the month.

[Stevie69]

Thanks for the report. Please keep it up. (that is, keep contributing).

A while back I was managing to make it to Kiev 3 times per year, every 4 months, and it got progressively better. I had old contacts, and new contacts always came up, both from introductions from girls and my own searches.

Second, it is great that someone here is finally figuring out the real price. Top talent at GIA starts at 3000 UAH but half of that goes to the agency. Independent students are quite happy with 500 UAH. Of course, this guy (Enrico) has the edge by being 30 years old, not middle aged or older, but the principle remains.

Greetings from Kiev.

For the students which some mongers asked, they are being served me by a lady which I fucked 2012. She has promoted and now searching ladies for me. If it is 1200 uah (40 dollars) for one hour, I think 200 goes to student and 1000 goes for this lady. I do not negotiate with that lady. I just ask, "send me 5 ladies blonde and I will choose 1 of them). Then after some time (usually 40 minutes), the taxi comes with 4-5 girls and I chose one of them. If I like another one, I can choose 2 at the same time if I feel strong enough..

[Harry Hirsch]

Then I am again back from Ukraine.

This holiday I want none of FK withheld.

Since my last Longtime aunt had violently bye to me and nothing had found really good, I thought I new by start times).

New Mamba account, new images and new Girls writing.

I find nice girl, like her much.

24 not slim, so no hunger hook, great ass.

I would give her NE 7-8.

By writing with her was hard and need time.

She replied very slowly, but then again quickly.

There some signs, maybe she is an fake.

But it was not safe for me. There were no demands for money.

But the demand for various airplane tickets. But with justification.

I don't do it.

Behold one day had a different FK get carried away.

So she is real.

Then I have time for her at the beginning of September, 6 nights with me by the sea.

400 was agreed, gave her at the meet, even the taxi money, since the meeting was far outside of Kiev.

Getting to the sea lasted 9 hours (streets in UA another topic).

Once at sea, parked caravans in front of the sandy beach chairs out. Holiday.

On the way to the beach the atmosphere was loaded very sexy.

Little seems to be a Sexhorny bride.

After the rigors of the journey, there was the evening just an average blowjob CIM.

I thought opps what is this.

The next morning, ate breakfast, small talk. No sex. She wanted to go jogging OKI.

Came back, showers, Small Talk, pictures (normal).

A glass of wine.

"I need sex" purely in the caravan, the small as converted.

Wanted to smooch, licked gave hot blowjob and I have fucked nicely.

OK the tables are turned.

I do not really get the time now to the series.

I just write what went all.

It is, as I made on NE Longtime thing and takes a little time to thaw out. Everything there was not (no anal, and various other things, but totally OK).

She really Naturehorny and need 2-3 times a day sex.

She loves toys, I had sufficient here.

In the afternoon we could sit.

"I go masturbation" - "may I help you?

Yes, come with, I helped her with make horny video, she like make pictures and videos. I could always take the camera in my hand, and photographing and filming.

Have since a couple of horny Movies).

I had it a beautiful brand new bullet vibrator, she loved him and used him everyday.

She knew him to use and came pretty fast, I allowed her then to a short break and have then licked or congratulate her pussy.

When we sat outside it does every now and then let her tits flashes, so that I could then also beautifully photographing this.

Then was sometime a wine bottle empty, makes from the upper band, a cleaning cloth and already was the bottleneck in her pussy.

The Tits still exposed beautiful and already ran the camera.

After minute she pulls the bottle out of pussy out. Fully slimy, seems to have pleased her.

At some point I have to me outside the chair in front of her knees.

Was sentenced to her pussy licking.

Now it was clear for me. I want her.

I made her the offer, she gets 400 per month and we meet regularly.

Now in October she comes to me for good week.

Regular visits but also sex clubs.

She likes sex with several men and is full BI.

I found her in Mamba, I love it.

I using just Google translate. Sorry.

[EnricoMacias]

Greetings from Kiev.

I arrived yesterday. 4 girls were waiting for me but I managed to cancel 3 and invited one. She came around 22:00 and we were together until 03:00. She is 24 years old, 160 cm. Brunette. Since I live in Qatar, for the opening ceremony, it was great for me. Before, we agreed $100 for first meeting, and then everyday 1000 grivna. But I will not invite again her because I have 30+ girls in my list. If one of possible appointments cancelled, then this girl will be a backup for me.

Today morning I invited another around 13:00. She was 21 years old, only 158 may be. Blondie. But her photos were gorgeous in the website. She came but she was not like in the website. So I was not impressed and tried to find her back after 30-40 minutes chat. She was a gold digger looking for short term purposes, she always asked about iPhone's which is 900 dollar here. If I fuck her 10 days, OK then may be it is logical but at that moment I think I will never contact her again.

By the way, because of my good approach due to all the problem at my apartment, the real estate company girl came and visit me. She was gorgeous, I offered tea / coffee but she did not stay. She just brought the remote control of A/C but this task might have been done by the driver who always picks up me. However she did not showed me any interest, my feeling is this girl will contact me later. She seemed like doing her business, a gentle introduction. When I follow her, I saw she came on walking and my feeling is she just wanted to see me.

Around 17:00 o'clock, my new girl has arrived. She was 22 years old, 170 and blonde. She was really good, and this was one of my best sex in my life. I gave her $100 and sent back home around 20:00. She will accompany me in Skybar tonight. I need somebody to dance.

So the answer of critical question:

I am 30 years but seem much younger like 26. I am brunette, I have some extra kg but my body is average, 170 cm.

And desired tip:

I have been in Kiev 5-6 times since 2012. I have good network here. I have so many contacts.

For the students which some mongers asked, they are being served me by a lady which I fucked 2012. She has promoted and now searching ladies for me. If it is 1200 uah (40 dollars) for one hour, I think 200 goes to student and 1000 goes for this lady. I do not negotiate with that lady. I just ask, "send me 5 ladies blonde and I will choose 1 of them). Then after some time (usually 40 minutes), the taxi comes with 4-5 girls and I chose one of them. If I like another one, I can choose 2 at the same time if I feel strong enough.

This is the entrance of my 20 days holiday in 2016 September.

EnricoMacias:

300 $ was too expensive for you, but you want to reserve a table in Skybar for 4 days on the weekend. ? Expect that you can f**k 2 of your 300 $ girls for the table-money or 12 of you 1200 UAH girls. Minimum. But don't expect that you can find a lot of 1200 UAH girls in Skybar.

And: February is always a good time to monger in Kiev. The weather is bad, the girls spend all the money during the Christmas period and there are not so many "tourists" in town. That means it is more easy to find a girl and girls are more willing to meet you for less money.

Thanks for the criticism.

To harvest the fruits, first I have to invest. For example today night I will be in SkyBar, my table already booked.

Tomorrow, I shall eat with 2 ladies in Prag Restaurant and we will go to Skybar. These are investments and my prestige. Photos at that places, are even a reason to get response.

But when it comes to trade, I make negotiations first and give the exact amount of a product, neither much more or much less.

[AlpBora]

Hello EnricoMacias,

I am in Kiev now.

How can you find student girls? You find from where?



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[Misterxxx]

EnricoMacias:

300 $ was too expensive for you, but you want to reserve a table in Skybar for 4 days on the weekend. ? Expect that you can f**k 2 of your 300 $ girls for the table-money or 12 of you 1200 UAH girls. Minimum. But don't expect that you can find a lot of 1200 UAH girls in Skybar.

And: February is always a good time to monger in Kiev. The weather is bad, the girls spend all the money during the Christmas period and there are not so many "tourists" in town. That means it is more easy to find a girl and girls are more willing to meet you for less money.

[Sean EZ]

CHI by Decadance is the top club now, but book a table, otherwise it's a tough door. Sky Bar was great also, though I did find working girls had that look like they were working and many past their prime (some are in their 30's if you're into that).

[NoMarriage]

Hi everyone,

Wanted to know the 411 about Ukraine. I wanted to decide which city, Kiev or Odessa. Somewhere on the western side of Ukraine. I see the websites and some of the women look unbelievable.

2. I'd like to know the experience persons view. I am expert in Tijuana, Mexico and avoid all the tourist kill spots for cash. I was thinking of going to Ukraine in a month or two. And wanted to find the civie testing out the waters as a working girl.

3. Is this a bad time to go because it is so cold?

4. What about the HIV Epidemic? We all know BB goes on.

5. Any tips as I don't want to learn the Hard way.

I was thinking of renting out an apartment for 1 month.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[EnricoMacias]

Dear all,

This is my first post in that from.

I have been 4-5 times in Kiev since 2011. I will be there next 15 days arriving on 29 September.

From my last experience in February 2016, it was great. I will try to find the same.

One point I need a consultation. Last time I did not visit night clubs, only one weekday I went to Caribbean. Also I visited Rio but I asked 3 different girls in the private dance to takeout, all three asked 300 dollars so I make an though estimate. I laid with students 1 hour for 1200 grivn which was 40 dollars. So 300 was expensive for me which is 6 girls.

Anyhow, this time I want to reserve a table in elite night clubs. Which one is good? I talked to Skybar, and it seems I will be there for 4 nights (2 Fridays and 2 Saturdays respectively). I welcome if any gorgeous girl request to sit.

So Skybar is good? I heard Avalon is also good but it is under construction.

Do you have other suggestion for such purpose?

[Sean EZ]

There is a place called Disco Dance (big red sign on the door) right next to Mozgi in Arena, you ring up and go to 3rd floor, they've got 5 rooms and take out option is available for same price, girls from 1600-2600 per hour with some good quality girls, entry is 200 and beer for men is 200, don't bother paying girl drinks, expensive. Open 24 hours, and not a bad option if you want to step out from a club for a quickie.

Kiev may have gotten worse but the nightlife is booming on weekends, lots of gorgeous girls, amazing clubs, great music (non hip hop / top 40 shit you get in US / EU clubs), plenty of opportunities to go out and make an effort. Unlike Kharkiv for instance which may have cheaper options but the city lacks the scene and is dark and boring place.