Kyiv

[Michi T]

You can take girls to most hotels, that's not the issue. The issue is that once you do, you are "marked". As stevie69 says, you have no control & things go. Well the way they generally go in corrupt countries. Most of the bad stuff gets hushed up, for obvious reasons, or certain words are used to aviod embarrasment. (example, strip club becomes "casino") Story below is a classic example.

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/a...ail/story.html

Oh wow, so how shall one act in Ukraine if one wants to order a girl and if they ask for hotel and room number? I ordered once in Romania a girl, she came directly knocking at my door. How about in Ukraine? I have in particular the cheaper hotels with a hotel lady on each floor and a guardian on ground floor in mind.

PS: I do not understand that story in the news paper. Why was that fat child kidnaped? He was harly mongering in Odessa, was he?

[Johneash]

Kiev might be different from other cities then? In the Odessa discussion, they say that taking girls to any hotels is no problem whatsowever.

You can take girls to most hotels, that's not the issue. The issue is that once you do, you are "marked". As stevie69 says, you have no control & things go. Well the way they generally go in corrupt countries. Most of the bad stuff gets hushed up, for obvious reasons, or certain words are used to aviod embarrasment. (example, strip club becomes "casino") Story below is a classic example.

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/a...ail/story.html

[Michi T]

...Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. ...

Kiev might be different from other cities then? In the Odessa discussion, they say that taking girls to any hotels is no problem whatsowever.

[Jonathan Pine]

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.

This post is a must read. Thank you Stevie.

[Stevie69]

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. You do not want big guys in dark suits to be the ones regulating your access to pussy. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And finally, you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.

What else motivates them? Money! You can show them the money, but do not pay until the deed is done.

I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out.

[Stevie69]

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And then you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.

I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, ..........

[Vitrea]

It's more complicated then just "paying for it" in Kiev. Sure, you can call Gia which is fine, but those girls have rubbed a jillion dicks. Not really the essence of Ukraine travel. Kiev is an investment. It starts with repeat travel, Mamba, VK, the spirit to go out at night, and most importantly, just not being shy.

Agree independent free lancers is the way to go and in any city those take time, effort and building connections. I did not use Gia either. Wanted to but did not have time.

My point is don't expect to land in Kiev and bang a gazelle model type for 400 Grivnas.

[Riina]

I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, but she was sort of OK in the dark and she was friendly and I was in the mood, so I got in the taxi with her. (She told me hotel Ukraine and hotel Dnipro are girl friendly.) We drove 5 minutes to a street off Maidan. She made a lot of funny finger signs at the driver. I guess she was saying "charge him too much and give me half later" he asked for 200, which is outrageous but what could I do stuck in a car with a tough driver and a hooker? We went upstairs, there were two other girls and a madam in the flat. The madam was actually the hottest. One of the girls was better than mine but I wasn't sure if I could swap. She sent me off to shower by myself.

Now this girl whose name is Lera and her pictures have long dark hair (I think there's a blonde Lera on relaxportal too) has absolutely the worst possible temperament to be a prostitute. She accepted no input from me about what to do. She started with a bad covered BJ. Then she got on top and started grinding away. Every time I tried to touch her she pushed my hand away roughly with her elbow. I moved my mouth towards her breasts. No kissing. After a couple of minutes she started sighing and muttering to herself and shaking her head. Under the circumstances I couldn't maintain an erection. As soon as she felt me getting soft she climbed off and after a lot of complaining about "not normal sex" she tried giving me a rough handjob. She went on sighing and muttering and after a few minutes she gave up. She spent a bit of time sitting on the bed sighing and swearing and looking at the wall, and a bit of time doing something with her phone, then she said time was up. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here? Her number in the URL on relaxportal is 15925. Keep away. She's nothing special to look at anyway.

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

Incidentally, I'm a breast man. I find it frustrating when girls won't let me kiss or suck them. Some of these websites have long lists of what the girls will and won't do, but they never mention tit-sucking. I wonder why that is. I don't really need to know about anal fisting and crap (give) but I'd like to be able to pick a girl who'll let me suck her tits.

One last thing. I stayed earlier in Hotel Bratislava, another cheap but acceptable 3-star, by metro Darnitsa. They have a nightclub called something like Monsieur Gustave. The posters in the lift say it has a strip show with "extended crazy menu". I guess that means you can take girls out? Might be worth checking out. I only noticed it as I was coming down in the lift to check out. Too late.

Thank you Roger for an honest report. Great information about the challenges a newbie may encounter in Kiev.

I'm a risk taker when in Kiev and one of the biggest problems for me was the terrible service provided by most of the easy to access cheap prostitutes. I never met so many girls so quick to buzzkill you once the cash is dropped. Smelly pussies, purposely so you would be disgusted, rough blow jobs, and every other mood killer. I like semi pros but they were hard to find on my last trip.

[Johneash]

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

LOL, you know what's funny is, you really don't know how close you came, jesus! Idk, maybe you look like a young Chuck Norris or the mountain from Game of Thrones, but wow! No offense man, but get some street sense! Where you going next Kingston Jamaica, Johannesburg, Caracas. Or maybe San Salvador? (smile).

[Riina]

I just came back form Ukraine. It was a short trip and I plan on going back. My experience is that you need 8-10 times the price quoted above to bang a classy, beautiful girl that does BBBJ and DFK (3000 grivnas). I personally don't have time, game or interest to pick up chicks on K street. May be it is possible but then they might as well bang you for free.

I want 3 sessions a day and one overnight. I don't want waste time looking for them. All of that is available but you have to pay.


I am not talking Rio or Buddha bar either. There it is even more expensive, and most of you know that.

It's more complicated then just "paying for it" in Kiev. Sure, you can call Gia which is fine, but those girls have rubbed a jillion dicks. Not really the essence of Ukraine travel. Kiev is an investment. It starts with repeat travel, Mamba, VK, the spirit to go out at night, and most importantly, just not being shy.

[YellowPaul]

Has anybody stayed at the ALFAVITO Kyiv Hotel?

The prices are good as usually I stay in private apartments but this is about the same price and convenience of hotel.

Any problems bringing girls up in a hotel? Do they have to sign in?

[Vitrea]

600 to 700 grivnyas (20-25 $) HR for the young 20's girl, that is the rate in Kiev now. 300-400 you can still get the nice one, but takes time.

I just came back form Ukraine. It was a short trip and I plan on going back. My experience is that you need 8-10 times the price quoted above to bang a classy, beautiful girl that does BBBJ and DFK (3000 grivnas). I personally don't have time, game or interest to pick up chicks on K street. May be it is possible but then they might as well bang you for free.

I want 3 sessions a day and one overnight. I don't want waste time looking for them. All of that is available but you have to pay.


I am not talking Rio or Buddha bar either. There it is even more expensive, and most of you know that.

[RogerThis]

I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, but she was sort of OK in the dark and she was friendly and I was in the mood, so I got in the taxi with her. (She told me hotel Ukraine and hotel Dnipro are girl friendly.) We drove 5 minutes to a street off Maidan. She made a lot of funny finger signs at the driver. I guess she was saying "charge him too much and give me half later" he asked for 200, which is outrageous but what could I do stuck in a car with a tough driver and a hooker? We went upstairs, there were two other girls and a madam in the flat. The madam was actually the hottest. One of the girls was better than mine but I wasn't sure if I could swap. She sent me off to shower by myself.

Now this girl whose name is Lera and her pictures have long dark hair (I think there's a blonde Lera on relaxportal too) has absolutely the worst possible temperament to be a prostitute. She accepted no input from me about what to do. She started with a bad covered BJ. Then she got on top and started grinding away. Every time I tried to touch her she pushed my hand away roughly with her elbow. I moved my mouth towards her breasts. No kissing. After a couple of minutes she started sighing and muttering to herself and shaking her head. Under the circumstances I couldn't maintain an erection. As soon as she felt me getting soft she climbed off and after a lot of complaining about "not normal sex" she tried giving me a rough handjob. She went on sighing and muttering and after a few minutes she gave up. She spent a bit of time sitting on the bed sighing and swearing and looking at the wall, and a bit of time doing something with her phone, then she said time was up. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here? Her number in the URL on relaxportal is 15925. Keep away. She's nothing special to look at anyway.

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

Incidentally, I'm a breast man. I find it frustrating when girls won't let me kiss or suck them. Some of these websites have long lists of what the girls will and won't do, but they never mention tit-sucking. I wonder why that is. I don't really need to know about anal fisting and crap (give) but I'd like to be able to pick a girl who'll let me suck her tits.

One last thing. I stayed earlier in Hotel Bratislava, another cheap but acceptable 3-star, by metro Darnitsa. They have a nightclub called something like Monsieur Gustave. The posters in the lift say it has a strip show with "extended crazy menu". I guess that means you can take girls out? Might be worth checking out. I only noticed it as I was coming down in the lift to check out. Too late.

[Ringudor]

¿Some knows about strip club Mandarin?

http://striptease.ua/eng/clubs/cabar...urant-Mandarin

I heard about it from a taxis some time ago, but I never was, if someone knows the place or like to explore together, just tell me.

[Volpone]

You can find girls on Kreshatik. Just take them to club and back for all night.

Yes with a device to go back in the past, that would work. That was like that in the nineties when girls were impressed with foreigners. Forget it now, most of them don't care about foreigners, they have enough middle class or rich Ukrainian boyfriends available.

By the way where are your reports, your own experience about Kiev, the real Kiev? I would be delighted to read them, but, pajalousta, the real Kiev, not some fantasms or wrong visions to make believe that you can get very easily a pretty young chick for 20-25 $.