Kyiv

[Jojosun]

Rio 4 me is OK as a warm up before the main course. Been there nearly every night I was in Kiev but never took a girl out of the club.

On few occasions I even took my regular girl there, she did it enjoy as well as she is BI.

I've had better times at Tixi Omut club on the other side of the Dnipro but most the girls there weren't on the same level as Rio's in the looks dept.

I wouldn't pay $ 300 for one session in Kiev. Some hot UA & Russian girls can be found in Bangkok for US $200 and I don't mean from Uzbekistan.

300 dollar is very expensive.

I was in Kiev in may 2015 for 5 days, the price is not expensive only the clubs are expensive, Ukrainian amateurs or freelancer are cheaper.

If you speak the local language or find a good local person, you can have a good experience.

Learning Russian or paying a local person hourly to show you where to find the cheap girls are the two solutions.

In Russia they cost 40 dollars per hour.

In Bangkok you can find some Ukrainian girls in the hotel for 2500 -3000 baht for short time 2 hours.

1. US $300 isn't expensive for someone who is cash rich time poor and enjoys the atmosphere at strip clubs.

2. I don't speak the local language and I always had good experiences. С1087;1072;1089;1080;1073;1086;.

Spasibo on its own goes a long way and opens many doors.

3 . Re Your only solution, pay a local person "hourly " to show me where to find the cheap girls??

Why would I need to do that? I don't fly to Kiev looking for Cheap Girls and if I wanted to, I know where they are.

Pay a local person hourly 2 find cheap girls? LOL. What you lose on the swings, you make up for on the roundabouts. Anyways I am not interested in that kind of P4P mongering.

As for UA & Russian girls in Bangkok. I know that infamous hotel in BKK (Rajah) it caters mainly to Subcontinental & gulf Arab mongers and the girls there are mainly from the Asian republics of the former Soviet Union. The hotel and its girls ain't for me.

You won't find The $200 Hot UA & Russian girls in BKK at Rajah hotel. There you need a Russian pimp or local ex-pats contacts to find them.

I only referred to prices in BKK for comparison purposes only and as a guide.

We are all different on here, different ethnicities, different budgets, ages, hence our mongering habits and tactics, goals are different. One size doesn't fit all.

That said, thanks for your pointers and tips.

[Cheema]

I am planning to visit Kiev in April, is there one local person willing to help me, I will be there foe 2 weeks. The person who can help me can pm me for further details.

[Gopnik]

Thank you for the kind words, Jojo and others. However, that's the third time in six month that same member has ripped me. The first two times his response didn't match with my post meaning he didn't actually read it. I'm a pretty thick-skinned guy and have been criticized before and I don't mind it if it's from someone who is either a respected member who posts useful information or does it in a respecftul, constructive way. But I don't need this shit. The first time I dealth with it politely. The second time I was baffled at the inaccuracy of the response to my post. The third time meant enough is enough. For me, it is a hobby and I like to share info and my unique exeriences living here, but now the fun has been taken out of it.

I live and work in Kiev. I come in contact with hundreds of people and go to areas a tourist would never go here in Kiev each week and have actually convinced girls to take the step into sponsorship that they might not have otherwise. A number of these girls are now on Mamba and other sites. I've even passed on two girls because I don't need them most of the time. I like sharing my experiences for other mongers to learn because many just enjoy reading them. Unfortunately, that will not happen any longer. I'm more than happy to answer questions about safety in Kiev, good cafes / restaurants, how to use the metro etc. And post about any Mamba members who are clearly trouble. But I will not post my experiences with girls, what advice they give me about where their friends are looking for sponsors or pass their friends to other members, post photos or answer PM's about women any longer. I don't need to be insulted every time I post. LuisVegas is apparently the only expert on this board and has made that very clear through his numerous attacks using substandard English on me and other posters. Good luck to all of you and stay safe in this lovely city!

[BrasilSoccer0]

Thank you for this info. I followed the link for the article you included and found a treasure of Ukraine related stuff.

One thing surprised me though on the salary map in the article, they show a higher salary for Dnepropetrovsk, a region I am very interested in, than Keiv. Do you agree with this or you believe Dnepropetrovsk has lower salaries than Keiv?

Also, I agree better small cities as I always avoid capitals! The cities I'm considering are Dnepropetrovsk and Nicolaev. I read western ukrainian women are more attractive than eastern ones.

Thinking in spending 2-3 months renting an apartment from locals, enroll in local gym. Basically set up a base for hunting and befriending regular girls from universities, cafes, supermarket. . etc.

What do you think? Any advice on the above would be appreciated and also have you considered Medellin, Colombia? I'm currently living there and renting a 16th floor apartment with a great view for 500 k cop. Life is great. Got a sweet setup here and I can easily see myself replicating it globally provided I get accurate economic info on the country including salaries and rent!

AND GUYS PLEASE STOP THE INFIGHTING, JUST STICK TO THE FACTS. EVERYONE'S INPUT IS APPRECIATED. EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH YOUR MOD TRUST ME I LEARN FROM WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

Hi,

Cannot say all salary.

But bills supermarket workers take 2000. Some directors and higher position earn 5500. I read once an advertise of job offer outside a bill, kind of directors managers was offered 5500 gryvnia (to say a secretary of 19 unskilled can't earn more than 4000).

Coffee machine people 100 gryvna day.

Officiant, basic from 2 to 4 k plus some tips.

Bank workers, from 4500 to a lot but only for manager of top level, a corporate finance specialist earn 10000 probably.

Shopping girl, hairdresser, manicure 4000 6000 sometime more depends on salon position. I had a girl doing manicure and was skilled working freelance, she was earning no more than 150 gryvna day.

Best sector for salary medium size is IT sector, I wrote from 1000 dollar up, but I doubt these are the level of salaries, probably if you work with it foreign company.

In Kiev big money are manager of foreign and user corporation, some sportsman TV cinema some not every, most of rich are official of government corrupted 100%, and some gold diggers can have more than 10 k euro month from various providers, I know some one earn 6000 euro fixed month.

http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/sal...ng-in-ukraine/

Anyway it's clear that all those iPhone, fur, machine, luxury life of all those girl in Kiev are the results of prostitution, pro semi pro indi sponsor any means, and that without sex industry, including wedding agency, providers, scums etc the level of life of most of the girls in Ukraine r would be near African level.

Let's consider that once, in the famous boat everybody remember, you could find girl at night for 150 dollar, it was time where foreigners needed visa to come here. These girls were top model, like you see in arena or Gulliver.

Now for 100 dollar you can fuck mostly short and 6 6,5 level girl in Kiev,. And salary and economy is much worse than 6 7 years ago. How can it be explained? Simple: free visa, lot of foreigners overpaying every girl. And the game is over.

I think Moscow in this moment is much better. No tourist, rub. 85 . Russian love cock more than ukr. I you go. In Ukraine, you'd better trying smaller cities. Grivnia is falling down, probably it will go 30-35 soon. In small cities there will be lot of pussy happy with 500 600 gryvna. In Kiev the flow of tourists will rise, including the flow of donetsk millionaire and rich people, and the prices will rise too. The only winner again will be the devuska.

[BrasilSoccer0]

Thank you for this info. I followed the link for the article you included and found a treasure of Ukraine related stuff.

One thing surprised me though on the salary map in the article, they show a higher salary for Dnepropetrovsk, a region I am very interested in, than Keiv. Do you agree with this or you believe Dnepropetrovsk has lower salaries than Keiv?

Also, I agree better small cities as I always avoid capitals! The cities I'm considering are Dnepropetrovsk and Nicolaev. I read western ukrainian women are more attractive than eastern ones.

Thinking in spending 2-3 months renting an apartment from locals, enroll in local gym. Basically set up a base for hunting and befriending regular girls from universities, cafes, supermarket. . etc.

What do you think? Any advice on the above would be appreciated and also have you considered Medellin, Colombia? I'm currently living there and renting a 16th floor apartment with a great view for 500 k cop. Life is great. Got a sweet setup here and I can easily see myself replicating it globally provided I get accurate economic info on the country including salaries and rent!

AND GUYS PLEASE STOP THE INFIGHTING, JUST STICK TO THE FACTS. EVERYONE'S INPUT IS APPRECIATED. EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH YOUR MOD TRUST ME I LEARN FROM WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

Vega,

We all have our opinions and healthy debate should be one of the benefits of this board. But if you are too combative it's going to discourage people from posting. Gopnik has been a great contributor. He has posted good field reports with his thoughts and observations and photos (which is hard to do).

We really do not want to make people like this decide that they're not going to bother posting.

Why not say hey Gopnik. That's great that you got some action and thanks for the report. I think you can do it even cheaper, and here's my suggestion. This is how I did it oh and here's some pictures to, and so on.

A couple of google clicks and its here http://www.unian.info/economics/1105...e-almost-hits-.

As of 27 July 2015 " Last month, the above-average wages were traditionally recorded in the air transport industry. An average of UAH 18,800. The financial sector offers nearly UAH 8,700. The IT sector saw a UAH 6,900 average salary, while Science and Technology specialists got close to UAH 6,700. The average level of wages of regular industry workers amounted to UAH 4,800.

The lowest level of the average wage of UAH 2,800 was registered in the health sector, and of UAH 2,200 in postal services. The average wage in the education sector was at UAH 3,700".

Maybe the 19 years old girl is working in the Air Transport Industry and the girls on the whole who work there are usually more attractive and we know how much demand there is for a Trolley Dolly who wants to do few tricks on the side.

LOL Anyone with a fetish for uniforms should target Nurses and Post women in Kiev as they are the lowest paid there.

I for one read with much interest and appreciate your in-depth posts from Kiev especially as you live there. You or anyone else don't need to justify how much you pay or paid for sex as we mongers are not in some kind of a union regulating prices paid for sex and anyway the price of sex isn't related to the average salary, wages in Ukraine or elsewhere.

LOL. As posted before, the formula for paid sex for (One hour) is 10 times the price of a Hair cut.

And here is the latest price as of 17 January 2016. "The price of Standard men's haircut in expat area of the city in Kiev is 4.12 (108₴ " UAH 108.

https://www.expatistan.com/price/men...?mobver=mobile . The price of sex for one hour should be UAH 1080 .

You had sex with a young 19 years old for US $ 70 over 2 hours. =(UAH 1722.) ie one hour was (UAH 861). So it worked out cheaper for you by UAH 219. An hour and UAH 438 in 2 hours.

And who is counting anyway when you're having a ball.

Cheers Gopnik.

Hi,

Cannot say all salary.

But bills supermarket workers take 2000. Some directors and higher position earn 5500. I read once an advertise of job offer outside a bill, kind of directors managers was offered 5500 gryvnia (to say a secretary of 19 unskilled can't earn more than 4000).

Coffee machine people 100 gryvna day.

Officiant, basic from 2 to 4 k plus some tips.

Bank workers, from 4500 to a lot but only for manager of top level, a corporate finance specialist earn 10000 probably.

Shopping girl, hairdresser, manicure 4000 6000 sometime more depends on salon position. I had a girl doing manicure and was skilled working freelance, she was earning no more than 150 gryvna day.

Best sector for salary medium size is IT sector, I wrote from 1000 dollar up, but I doubt these are the level of salaries, probably if you work with it foreign company.

In Kiev big money are manager of foreign and user corporation, some sportsman TV cinema some not every, most of rich are official of government corrupted 100%, and some gold diggers can have more than 10 k euro month from various providers, I know some one earn 6000 euro fixed month.

http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/sal...ng-in-ukraine/

Anyway it's clear that all those iPhone, fur, machine, luxury life of all those girl in Kiev are the results of prostitution, pro semi pro indi sponsor any means, and that without sex industry, including wedding agency, providers, scums etc the level of life of most of the girls in Ukraine r would be near African level.

Let's consider that once, in the famous boat everybody remember, you could find girl at night for 150 dollar, it was time where foreigners needed visa to come here. These girls were top model, like you see in arena or Gulliver.

Now for 100 dollar you can fuck mostly short and 6 6,5 level girl in Kiev,. And salary and economy is much worse than 6 7 years ago. How can it be explained? Simple: free visa, lot of foreigners overpaying every girl. And the game is over.

I think Moscow in this moment is much better. No tourist, rub. 85 . Russian love cock more than ukr. I you go. In Ukraine, you'd better trying smaller cities. Grivnia is falling down, probably it will go 30-35 soon. In small cities there will be lot of pussy happy with 500 600 gryvna. In Kiev the flow of tourists will rise, including the flow of donetsk millionaire and rich people, and the prices will rise too. The only winner again will be the devuska.

[Ddillo7]

Well, in my opinion, as someone living and working in Ukraine with plenty of experience here and in other countries, your options are extremely limited. First, do not stroll the streets looking for a girl, sir. That is precarious for a gentleman your age, with all due respect. Second, you don't need Russian unless you are bent on taking her out for dinner or whatnot. Russian isn't even an issue as money and sex are a language of their own.

You're an older gentleman, you're in Kyiv for one night and that leaves you with few quality options, in my opinion. The first is to go to a strip bar and try to take out one of the girls. I don't recommend this but there are mongers on here much more versed in how easy / difficult that will be for you. Second is to contact an escort agency and order a girl. Might be the most practical option considering your circumstances. Last is to work the internet and try to find one. To be honest, the fact you are much older and only in for one night means you're going to have to offer a lot of money to someone. Young girls aren't keen on men your age even for cash (unless you're throwing down more Euro's than you're probably willing to spend) and how many 40-year old women will offer their pussy for one night and one night only? If you were here for a week you could probably find someone that would satisfy you. One night is tough.

As for the airport, why not just take a taxi from your hotel? Why bother with the train and a bus? The train station is in Vokzalna which is on the red line and very convenient to reach from Khreshchatyk or Teatralna metro stations. Even if you are in different areas of the center, there is always a metro station near that will get you to the red line quickly. You can zip from Zoloti Vorota, for example, to Vokzalna in 20 minutes. The Kyiv metro is outdated but easy and efficient to use.

Is the Dnepo hotel safe and easy to get to? Is it a girl friendly hotel to bring an escort to? Have you found one escort service to be more reliable and straight forward than others? I mean, do the photos match the girl, will I be hit with "extra " charges or a huge man demanding payment for something I am not getting?

[Uphigh]

Vega,

We all have our opinions and healthy debate should be one of the benefits of this board. But if you are too combative it's going to discourage people from posting. Gopnik has been a great contributor. He has posted good field reports with his thoughts and observations and photos (which is hard to do).

We really do not want to make people like this decide that they're not going to bother posting.

Why not say hey Gopnik. That's great that you got some action and thanks for the report. I think you can do it even cheaper, and here's my suggestion. This is how I did it oh and here's some pictures to, and so on.

[Jojosun]

The 8000 salary sounded exaggerated for me as well especially for a 19 yrs old. One thing I've learned with young girls they like to sound more mature and of higher value .

For me economics 101 is mandatory to determine value! And a big part is salary. We already know demand outnumber supply.

So LuisVega11, can you give us sample of salaries of girls working in different jobs? Feel free to pm me to avoid fights and unnecessary argument.

A couple of google clicks and its here http://www.unian.info/economics/1105...e-almost-hits-.

As of 27 July 2015 " Last month, the above-average wages were traditionally recorded in the air transport industry. An average of UAH 18,800. The financial sector offers nearly UAH 8,700. The IT sector saw a UAH 6,900 average salary, while Science and Technology specialists got close to UAH 6,700. The average level of wages of regular industry workers amounted to UAH 4,800.

The lowest level of the average wage of UAH 2,800 was registered in the health sector, and of UAH 2,200 in postal services. The average wage in the education sector was at UAH 3,700".

Maybe the 19 years old girl is working in the Air Transport Industry and the girls on the whole who work there are usually more attractive and we know how much demand there is for a Trolley Dolly who wants to do few tricks on the side.

LOL Anyone with a fetish for uniforms should target Nurses and Post women in Kiev as they are the lowest paid there.

[Jojosun]

. I have lived here for 3 years and have a working knowledge of the language and the culture. If I wanted a dirty, smutty girl from Troeschyna, Shuliavska or Lisova for 200-500 UAH, I can get one. No problem. However, I prefer classier girls. I can see my knowledge is not appreciated here and I apologize for wasting people's time..

I for one read with much interest and appreciate your in-depth posts from Kiev especially as you live there. You or anyone else don't need to justify how much you pay or paid for sex as we mongers are not in some kind of a union regulating prices paid for sex and anyway the price of sex isn't related to the average salary, wages in Ukraine or elsewhere.

LOL. As posted before, the formula for paid sex for (One hour) is 10 times the price of a Hair cut.

And here is the latest price as of 17 January 2016. "The price of Standard men's haircut in expat area of the city in Kiev is €4.12 (108₴ " UAH 108.

https://www.expatistan.com/price/men...?mobver=mobile . The price of sex for one hour should be UAH 1080 .

You had sex with a young 19 years old for US $ 70 over 2 hours. =(UAH 1722.) ie one hour was (UAH 861). So it worked out cheaper for you by UAH 219. An hour and UAH 438 in 2 hours.

And who is counting anyway when you're having a ball.

Cheers Gopnik.

[LuisVega11]

The 8000 salary sounded exaggerated for me as well especially for a 19 yrs old. One thing I've learned with young girls they like to sound more mature and of higher value so most likely she lied to Gopnik.

But he should know thesalaries in Ukraine if he lives there.

For me economics 101 is mandatory to determine value! And a big part is salary. We already know demand outnumber supply.

So LuisVega11, can you give us sample of salaries of girls working in different jobs? Feel free to pm me to avoid fights and unnecessary arguments.

By the way I can tell from your words you have good experience with Slavic culture.

Hi,

Cannot say all salary.

But bills supermarket workers take 2000. Some directors and higher position earn 5500. I read once an advertise of job offer outside a bill, kind of directors managers was offered 5500 gryvnia (to say a secretary of 19 unskilled can't earn more than 4000).

Coffee machine people 100 gryvna day.

Officiant, basic from 2 to 4 k plus some tips.

Bank workers, from 4500 to a lot but only for manager of top level, a corporate finance specialist earn 10000 probably.

Shopping girl, hairdresser, manicure 4000 6000 sometime more depends on salon position. I had a girl doing manicure and was skilled working freelance, she was earning no more than 150 gryvna day.

Best sector for salary medium size is IT sector, I wrote from 1000 dollar up, but I doubt these are the level of salaries, probably if you work with it foreign company.

In Kiev big money are manager of foreign and user corporation, some sportsman TV cinema some not every, most of rich are official of government corrupted 100%, and some gold diggers can have more than 10 k euro month from various providers, I know some one earn 6000 euro fixed month.

http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/sal...ng-in-ukraine/

Anyway it's clear that all those iPhone, fur, machine, luxury life of all those girl in Kiev are the results of prostitution, pro semi pro indi sponsor any means, and that without sex industry, including wedding agency, providers, scums etc the level of life of most of the girls in Ukraine r would be near African level.

Let's consider that once, in the famous boat everybody remember, you could find girl at night for 150 dollar, it was time where foreigners needed visa to come here. These girls were top model, like you see in arena or Gulliver.

Now for 100 dollar you can fuck mostly short and 6 6,5 level girl in Kiev,. And salary and economy is much worse than 6 7 years ago. How can it be explained? Simple: free visa, lot of foreigners overpaying every girl. And the game is over.

I think Moscow in this moment is much better. No tourist, rub. 85 . Russian love cock more than ukr. I you go. In Ukraine, you'd better trying smaller cities. Grivnia is falling down, probably it will go 30-35 soon. In small cities there will be lot of pussy happy with 500 600 gryvna. In Kiev the flow of tourists will rise, including the flow of donetsk millionaire and rich people, and the prices will rise too. The only winner again will be the devuska.

[Gopnik]

I'm not shitting nothing man. You are the typical forging who can't have a nice girl in Kiev without paying and overpay. Girl like you show here are easily found in Kiev for 1000 1200 gryvna for 2 hours, she's normal girl in Kiev, nothing fancy. The problem is that foreigners overpay normal girls the market goes fuck off for quality girl who clearly ask 200 300 dollar.

You can even be happy paying 1000 dollar if you earn them, but this is the way why this country is now fucked up for free and pay.

I'm surprised you work in Kiev and not even know nothing about salary. She lied to you to have more money. Had she said 4500, the sum she probably score in month, you would have offer 1000 instead 2000.

I repeat a girl like this you could have fucked free if you would have the quality. 2000 are 80 dollar. You could have score a sponsor deal for 400 500 dollar and fuck her 2 3 times a week.

I don't need to go with crack or bla bla. I fuck free and pay very small, most of time only a gift.

I'm not going to get into a long exchange with you. I know your game: if I had said I paid the girl 1000 UAH, you would have said I should've paid 500 because now I am inflating the market. If I had said 500, you would have said I got ripped off and should have paid 250. If 250, you would have said I should have asked her for money for sex. If I had asked her for money for sex you would've said I am pathetic. You are only here to criticize and inflate your ego. Your comments are always the same; no substance, always bragging about how great you are but not giving any constructive advice. I have lived here for 3 years and have a working knowledge of the language and the culture. If I wanted a dirty, smutty girl from Troeschyna, Shuliavska or Lisova for 200-500 UAH, I can get one. No problem. However, I prefer classier girls. I can see my knowledge is not appreciated here and I apologize for wasting people's time. I don't mind being criticized but not from people who post nothing useful and half the time respond without reading the actual posts, such as you're inclined to do.

[BrasilSoccer0]

The 8000 salary sounded exaggerated for me as well especially for a 19 yrs old. One thing I've learned with young girls they like to sound more mature and of higher value so most likely she lied to Gopnik.

But he should know thesalaries in Ukraine if he lives there.

For me economics 101 is mandatory to determine value! And a big part is salary. We already know demand outnumber supply.

So LuisVega11, can you give us sample of salaries of girls working in different jobs? Feel free to pm me to avoid fights and unnecessary arguments.

By the way I can tell from your words you have good experience with Slavic culture.

I'm not shitting nothing man. You are the typical forging who can't have a nice girl in Kiev without paying and overpay. Girl like you show here are easily found in Kiev for 1000 1200 gryvna for 2 hours, she's normal girl in Kiev, nothing fancy. The problem is that foreigners overpay normal girls the market goes fuck off for quality girl who clearly ask 200 300 dollar.

You can even be happy paying 1000 dollar if you earn them, but this is the way why this country is now fucked up for free and pay.

I'm surprised you work in Kiev and not even know nothing about salary. She lied to you to have more money. Had she said 4500, the sum she probably score in month, you would have offer 1000 instead 2000.

I repeat a girl like this you could have fucked free if you would have the quality. 2000 are 80 dollar. You could have score a sponsor deal for 400 500 dollar and fuck her 2 3 times a week.

I don't need to go with crack or bla bla. I fuck free and pay very small, most of time only a gift.

[LuisVega11]

Yeah, man, I know who you are and what your game is. You only come on here to shit on everyone else's posts (when you read them properly as half of your responses don't match the posts) but contribute nothing. 2000 UAH is 70 USD right now. For two hours with a sexy 19-year old, I'll do it every time. To hell with what you think. I hardly consider that inflating prices, especially how expensive things are becoming for people in Kyiv. I'm not broke like you, I have a good job here and can easily afford 70 USD for two hours of entertainment. The girls you are meeting are probably crack-heads with STD's.

I asked her, she made 7600 UAH a month. Close to 8000 UAH.

Do me a favor a refrain from commenting on my posts in order to make yourself look better.

I'm not shitting nothing man. You are the typical forging who can't have a nice girl in Kiev without paying and overpay. Girl like you show here are easily found in Kiev for 1000 1200 gryvna for 2 hours, she's normal girl in Kiev, nothing fancy. The problem is that foreigners overpay normal girls the market goes fuck off for quality girl who clearly ask 200 300 dollar.

You can even be happy paying 1000 dollar if you earn them, but this is the way why this country is now fucked up for free and pay.

I'm surprised you work in Kiev and not even know nothing about salary. She lied to you to have more money. Had she said 4500, the sum she probably score in month, you would have offer 1000 instead 2000.

I repeat a girl like this you could have fucked free if you would have the quality. 2000 are 80 dollar. You could have score a sponsor deal for 400 500 dollar and fuck her 2 3 times a week.

I don't need to go with crack or bla bla. I fuck free and pay very small, most of time only a gift.

[Gopnik]

My friend work western bank in Kiev, in Paris building. She's corporate finance workers, with more than 13 years of experience and responsibility with big customer in Kiev. She earns 10000 gryvna apart some small bonus. 8000 gryvna no way. If she take 45000 ius a lot. Maybe people don't know but low salary is 50 dollar and mediums salary now is less than 150 dollar. If you pay 2000 for some hours to no pro you are inflation everything. She's nice but not nothing fancy. So it's clear 8 9 girl ask 500 dollar. You are paying money you pay in developed country because you can't convince her with other means.

1000 should have been enough for her if she was interested, probably 2000 she didn't like you a lot but money were a lot for a girl that no work.

Yeah, man, I know who you are and what your game is. You only come on here to shit on everyone else's posts (when you read them properly as half of your responses don't match the posts) but contribute nothing. 2000 UAH is 70 USD right now. For two hours with a sexy 19-year old, I'll do it every time. To hell with what you think. I hardly consider that inflating prices, especially how expensive things are becoming for people in Kyiv. I'm not broke like you, I have a good job here and can easily afford 70 USD for two hours of entertainment. The girls you are meeting are probably crack-heads with STD's.

I asked her, she made 7600 UAH a month. Close to 8000 UAH.

Do me a favor a refrain from commenting on my posts in order to make yourself look better.

[LuisVega11]

If she was working full-time, probably 8000 UAH a month.

My friend work western bank in Kiev, in Paris building. She's corporate finance workers, with more than 13 years of experience and responsibility with big customer in Kiev. She earns 10000 gryvna apart some small bonus. 8000 gryvna no way. If she take 45000 ius a lot. Maybe people don't know but low salary is 50 dollar and mediums salary now is less than 150 dollar. If you pay 2000 for some hours to no pro you are inflation everything. She's nice but not nothing fancy. So it's clear 8 9 girl ask 500 dollar. You are paying money you pay in developed country because you can't convince her with other means.

1000 should have been enough for her if she was interested, probably 2000 she didn't like you a lot but money were a lot for a girl that no work.