Kyiv

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I've taken the overnight train 8 times over the last 8 years both with a girl and alone. I have stayed in both the 2 birth and 4 birth rooms. I Always felt safe. Not sure how much luggage you have, but if you are in a 2 birth room, there is space for a small bag beneeth your bed and also above the door.

I don't now why you couldn't book both beds in a 2 birth room. You would just have to pay for both.

Correct. Buy 2. I used to buy 1, and when the train is already moving, I ask the service person (conductor?) to move me to a vacant one, and pay like half or even less to him / her cash directly.

Did travel with girls as well. Lotsa fun.

Could be faster than a flight.

Lviv or Odessa certainly go by train. Besides it is much better safety than by car or even a bus. Too many accidents on the latter.

The only concern was Ukrainian Customs officer running their bribery extortion plays. I enjoyed it full extent being amused. If you do not cross the border. No worries. It is safe.

The other problem could be noise if someone is drinking. Happens on cheaper trains after soccer / football games. Again, I never experienced that in more expensive suits.

Make sure you choose fast train. And in the end, Ukraine is not that large, you are not traveling through Siberia for days and weeks.

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Guys,

Thanks for your help here, which was useful in so many ways over the past and I decided to register here for our trip to Kiev. We'll be there the next days and I guess it will be fun, no matter if some sex is involved or not.

Of course we did some preparation and we have now a couple of girls on our phones.

My favorite is suggesting to go dancing at the Queens Kyiv", which I was googling and of course finding some rip off warnings from customers.

Have you heard of this place?

Where is it good to take the girls maybe after dinner? Do you have a recommendation for a cozy bar / speakeasy with some high class cocktails?

Like I was reading here: Better we choose the place.

WinBar in Podol is great for coctails:

Khoryva St, 16/7.

Serves good food as well. Not cheap, but not expensive either. Great for people watching. Older crowd - 25-40 years old.

Definitely good honest people. Ask for a tour of their wine cellar downstairs.

Queen is expensive, but kinda cool. Entertainment and shit:

https://en.queenkyiv.com/

Also honest, but certainly check your itemized receipt, as everywhere in Kiev or New York, or Paris.

Girls like it. I don't care. Prefer Avalon. Is not cheap either, but can be made affordable.

None of the above are for pickup. I have seen Italian boys leaving Avalon totally pissed off. Wrong expectations!

Where to go after dinner? Someone with high IQ recently said here that it is better take the girl to your apartment first, have a glass of champagne, make love to her, then another glass of champagne, followed by BJ or 69 or whatever strikes her fancy, and then 2-3 hours later go for food.

I usually rent my AirBnB next to Avalon, and call them for take out. These days they even do delivery. So my girl doesn't have to dress up, unless we leave for entertainment. Concert, music, theater. Kiev never stops.

To qualify and validate I invite my girls to Puzata Hata, very cheap fast food chain all over the Kiev. If she refuses. Ditch her, and go alone, or find another.

[YummyPL]

Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.

I've taken the overnight train 8 times over the last 8 years both with a girl and alone. I have stayed in both the 2 birth and 4 birth rooms. I Always felt safe. Not sure how much luggage you have, but if you are in a 2 birth room, there is space for a small bag beneeth your bed and also above the door.

I don't now why you couldn't book both beds in a 2 birth room. You would just have to pay for both.

[VinDici]

I'm already planning my next excursion for some Kyiv mongering. However this time I plan to visit Lviv first, then onwards to Ivano Frankivsk, then finally landing in Kyiv.

My plan was to take the overnight train from Ivano-Frankivisk to arrive in Kyiv in the morning.

Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.

[Ritzi01]

Guys,

Thanks for your help here, which was useful in so many ways over the past and I decided to register here for our trip to Kiev. We'll be there the next days and I guess it will be fun, no matter if some sex is involved or not.

Of course we did some preparation and we have now a couple of girls on our phones.

My favorite is suggesting to go dancing at the Queens Kyiv", which I was googling and of course finding some rip off warnings from customers.

Have you heard of this place?

Where is it good to take the girls maybe after dinner? Do you have a recommendation for a cozy bar / speakeasy with some high class cocktails?

Like I was reading here: Better we choose the place.

[Adindas]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57358241

For $250,000 he could f*ck thousands of Ukrainian girls better look and younger than his bride.

How many times we have read the story like this, but it keeps happening again and again. Because for some idiots their cocks rule their head.

There are already tons of Evidence. This is a another recent news in the Newspaper.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...=1490&ito=1490

Dumped 'sugar daddy' spared jail for stalking terrified ex-girlfriend after break-up.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk...d-jail-5731072

He loaned her 160,000 to help her launch her boutique caf business, gave her a 33,000 Land Rover Discovery and paid her a 2,000-a-month allowance.

160,000 + 33,000 + 2,000-a-month allowance With this sum of money he could visit FKK almost everyday for the the rest of his life.

[Ivan Buyan]

Ukraine reformed police few years ago after revolution. Some locals say that nothing has changed but most admit that bribing-the-cops rates went down (though of course it is still possible) and police now works more effectively (since they increased their salaries and try to hire new young motivated people there to minimize the corruption).

The truth Ukraine police has a shit load of things to investigate besides 100 $ scams. Don't forget that Ukraine is on war which brings a lot of negative consequences to the society. Crime rates go up all over the country (especially robbery and theft).

You must be really naive to think Police has resources to investigate single cases of scam in regards to drunk foreigners at local night clubs.

The good thing is Ukraine is doing its best to be friends with EU and attract tourists, so when number of scam cases grow (especially in regards to foreigners), cops will investigate. Also remember that more than 50% of Ukrainians don't trust police which makes its hard to investigate scams cause most Ukrainians won't snitch=).

If you think that restaurants scam is a big issue, then you better know that Ukraine is among top leaders of call center scams in the whole world which is multi billion industry. Just check this article.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/inv...240710551.html

I advise you 3 things.

1) Don't get too drunk.

2) If you see you are being scammed. Call the police immediately (especially if they say you bought and did not pay).

3) Visit only places with good reputation, there's a plenty of them in Kyiv.

[Guntherus]

….. short girls see high demand so the prices have actually gone little up. ….

I want to confirm this. In July I was told that the Saudis can now travel visa-free to UA and occupied most of the apartments in Kyiv-centre. I stayed off-centre for the first time, and it was actually OK for my regular friends.

[ChronoTrigger]

Flip. Seems mongering prospects are at an all time low in Lviv, Odessa, and Kiev. Not from lack of trying, the only good results I had was old contacts: A 6.5 in Kiev that let me bareback creampie for 2000 HRV+taxi, and a 7.5 in Odessa that lets me bareback but no creampie for 2000 HRV. Was coming on here to lament, but from the prices and services others are reporting, I feel like I'm boasting. Moral of the story: If you find a good one, keep her.

A year ago I had a 6. 5 in Odessa that let me bareback creampie for 1500 HRV but she decided to play the 'I'm pregnant give me 3000 HRV " so we stopped business.

[NorskKing]

Law enforcement doesn't exclude that the girls luring the foreigners in, would also be treated as suspects.

https://www.unian.net/incidents/poch...-11501119.html

Ukraine clearly want to please EU leaders and need to sort and reduce such crime. It is his that girls fear this might happen. I had a week in Kiev and just returned. I will write my detail post soon. In short girls see high demand so the prices have actually gone little up. Some aggressive scammers in the kreschatick street but most of the tricks are already mentioned here.

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While they arrested the men, and good riddance to them, it seems to me that the girls who were the key part of this scam should also somehow be arrested, as well.

Law enforcement doesn't exclude that the girls luring the foreigners in, would also be treated as suspects.

https://www.unian.net/incidents/poch...-11501119.html

[Uke Boy]

We recently had some discussion about ladies taking nave, horny and unsuspecting foreigners to restaurants and clubs where they would then charged huge amounts of money. Here is the link to the Russian version of the report:

https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/43...i-ynostrantsev

Translation is as follows:

Law enforcement detained 10 men who are suspected of committing robberies against foreigners. Members of the criminal group operated in three entertainment establishments in the center of Kiev, according to the press service of the Office of the Prosecutor General. The criminal group consisted of waiters who gave foreign citizens bills, overinflating them by five or even 10 times.

"If foreigners refused to pay the bill, the members of the criminal group invited them to the administrator's room, where, using violence and psychological pressure, they forced them to pay the bills, and if they refused, they took away their cash, mobile phones and other valuables by force," the message says.

Law enforcement officers detained the organizer of the group, a native of the Russian Federation, an Israeli citizen, who is wanted by Interpol for financial fraud, as well as citizens of Ukraine and Azerbaijan. At the same time, one of the group members turned out to be an employee of the capital's patrol police. Investigative actions are now underway, and the question of choosing their means of detention is being decided. The involvement of members of this criminal group in committing almost 150 attacks on foreigners since the beginning of 2020 is also being investigated, the department added.

While they arrested the men, and good riddance to them, it seems to me that the girls who were the key part of this scam should also somehow be arrested, as well.

BTW, it would help that if anyone on the board was a victim of such a scam to at least name and shame the restaurant or club where this has occurred. They are not mentioned in the article.

[Piekass]

I went 3 times to Red Light Massage last week, each time with another girl. The overall experience was good. They usually have a good choice of girls (5-6 during daytime and 2-3 at night). Although the place is terribly difficult to find. You have to call them. First time a lady in a foul mood said "Why you speak English? And hung up. Then someone else called back and guided me with very poor English to the reception of Iris Hotel (3rd floor) and picked me up. Took a long time. It's a really dodgy address, but I was up for adventure.

I'll start with the worst one:

A) Kira.

Iteration factor: 0%.

Kira is a tall girl (a bit more than 170 cm) with long dark hair and large creoles, purportedly from Odessa. She's bossy, arrogant and aggressive. Even likes to boss around her colleagues. Spreads gossip, laments a lot and considers herself as smart. Yet the opposite is the case. The goldfish lips enforce the dumb appearance. Service is professional and cold. She jerked my cock as is it was a dead fish, with such a speed that I thought she would rip it off. Terrible. I should have stopped the whole session right from the beginning. When I came eventually (with closed eyes and a lot imagination) she said: "I don't ask if it was good, because I could see in your face that it was. " Ridiculous. Then she made it clear that she expects a generous tip. Otherwise she would spread the word that I'm a lousy customer. To avoid under all circumstances! She actually shouldn't belong to this establishment, because she ruins the whole reputation.

B) Jenya.

Iteration factor: 80%.

Jenya (I hope I'm spelling this right) is a very kind girl. Long blond hair, very fit body, petite. She barely speaks English but tries to make up for it with kindness and a lot of giggling. Her massage skills are sensitive and she really takes an effort to make you happy. Which she did. I recommend her.

C) Luna.

Iteration factor: 100%.

My personal highlight. Luna is a petite black girl from Nigeria, studying in Kiev. Perfect body. She is playful, smart, charming, likes to tease right from the beginning, before you even reach the bed. She knows exactly how to treat a man and enjoys it. She has a natural body and good personality. Her English is excellent, by the way. Fondling and kissing is possible, if the mood is right. Please treat her kindly and with respect. She's a good girl.

All in all an interesting joint. The rooms are quite large, the shower is clean, there is a certain professional attitude. A downer is that the mamasan knocks at the door after 45 minutes or even earlier. Because showers and dressing / undressing and waiting for the girl is included in the 60 minutes. But for the price of 1.100 UAH that's fine. I tipped 400 UAH, because the girls only earn 400 an hour.

[Stevie69]

No. She is not crazy. You have to sanitize your apartment and lock all valuables, or at least put them out of reach. This applies to your cash, wallet, passport, watch, and phone. I put these in a small safe I carry along with the key to the place that will be necessary to open the door when she leaves. When she is ready to leave, I go and open the safe, open the door for her, and show her out. No, I do not leave any valuables in the safe when I am not in the apartment. This is basic hosting hookers etiquette.

More importantly, however, it is that you do not need to impress professionals by wearing diamond rings or gold chains.

It has been stated many times (incuding few times in SprKiev21 awesome posts) that when inviting any girl to your apartment you must be careful with your belongings.

Here's a a story from Summer 2015.

My partner came from abroad and rented an apartment for few weeks in the center of Obolon (for those who don't know. Obolon is a nice district which gets really busy in summer because it has a lot of beaches. Its more of the residential area but it does have tons of hot ladies in warm months and some really good restaurants). Anyway, my partner speaks good russian, we had some drinks, weed and decided to invite couple girls from a website.

We were not drunk, we knew all the precautions and had all the valuable things stored in a place unreachable.

So a pimp sent us a taxi with 2 girls, they were good looking and we took them. We did drink some more whiskey all together, talked, smoked and had fun. The girls were easy going and I liked their company.

We were super horny after couple hours of such talking to semi naked girls all on weed and booth..

[Rugga]

Also, the visit Ukraine site is listing Great Britain along with Russia and India.

Visit Ukraine site says vaccinated people from UK, Russia, India need to do a rapid antigen test at airport and nothing about isolating for 14 days.