Kyiv

[Stevie69]

Great work! That is the actual price, everyone! Your perfect fantasy girl for about 100 USD.

........... She quoted 500 usd all night, 300 usd 1 hour. I had a feeling she was a pro and been to this hotel and bar all the time. I told her I didn't have that much money and left her table. I went back to my table and finished my coffee. I had to bang her, she would have get on my top 10 list. She was hot. I decided to make her an offer and see if she goes for it. I told her, she would worth the money she asks for but I only have 100 usd cash. Of course she did not accept. I went upstairs to my room and before I go to bed, I decided to go downstairs and see if anyone take her up on her offer. She was still there. I told her my offer was still on if she agrees. She asked if I would give her 100 USD plus 200 grivnas. Of course I would. She is only asking for 10 usd more.

She started to dance and strip on me while we were in the elevator. Once we are in the room, it was a hot sex and a few showers after she left with her 100 usd and 200 grivnas. I asked her why the 200 grivnas, she said she was going to pay people downstairs for letting her use the lobby to pick up clients. And she will save the 100 USD for her dream trip to USA.

[Stevie69]

I respectfully disagree. At least one million people take the metro every day. This includes people of all social classes, except the pretentious ones. Hordes of gorgeous, elegant ladies ride the metro every day. It is a great place for girl-watching. During the day, it is actually more convenient and faster than driving on the overcrowded surface roads. I take the metro every time I am there. Any girl who is too pretentious to take the metro, is probably too pretentious for me (and most of us.).

We have been accustomed of banks and airlines nickel and dime us to death, but we hate banks and airlines. We would like to screw them, but only metaphorically, not literally. The price of sex should cover all associated expenses, like transportation and condoms.

If you give a girl 100 or 200 UAH for a "taxi", she will just take a 3 UAH metro and lose all respect for you. Before she arrives, she will already know that you are an idiot foreigner. In my experience, you bet better sex when a woman respects you.

And by the way, a taxi ought to be no more than 50 UAH. Where is she coming from? Odessa?

S

Dude,

Man, that's extreme rude. Taking the Metro is considered low. And way low beyond anything expected of a foreigner to think of. Real Ladies don't take the metro. That's for old babushkas.

It's good to look for your money, but not taking a (private) taxi in Kiew produces you as a super-cheapnik. You've promised to pay her some large sum money to stay with you, and even before it starts, you're unable to cover some minimum expense? Even in business terms that's suspicious, and for sure not a way to treat someone where you expect a good experience afterwards. Asking her about taking the metro has been quite an insult and with 'not hearing' your question, she just played cool. Treat her with _some_ respect.

Serious, 100-200 Griwna for a taxi is fine for most inner city routes, not any kind of scam. And thinking about it, I guess she felt for sure more safe to find any way to pay the driver later on, than to stay. Maybe he got to taste her for the ride.

[Epicurus]

Not just the girl but also the driver / pimp. I'd like to avoid situation like that; in case, something went wrong.

Ok, I understand you. It is not something I worry about to be honest.))).

[Epicurus]

Not uncommon at all.

Girls fleaks out like that all the time!

They can really consume loads and loads of your time.

You can arrange the meeting time after time, they may fleak out again and again and that's not uncommon either.

For short visitors can be very frustrating!

That's why people end up with Gia or in Rio. (LOL)

But when I was here in July, everything went so smooth. I had a girl in the morning, in the afternoon and in the evening for 4 straight days, then I had to take a rest, cause I was totally spend. But it was ok, because I got to go to the theatre, visit some clubs, parks, where I met new girls. And it was good, because I felt no pressure to have sex, it was ok either way and perhaps that made me appear more confident which made certain girls interested in me. I also visited massage parlors where they can give good massage without a HJ, which they found weird, that I don't want "relaxation". And I can recommend when getting a massage to get a jacuzzi or shower treatment afterwards, it is such a nice feeling when a girl cleans your body. Anyway, I won't come in September again I think, at least not for more than a weekend.

[Horny Monger]

I still don't quite understand your nervosity or problem with an agency girl. Is it because you think that an agency girls is forced against her will unlike non-agency girls, or that the agency is taking too much of a cut?

Not just the girl but also the driver / pimp. I'd like to avoid situation like that; in case, something went wrong.

[Horny Monger]

UN effin'BELIEVABLE. At lunch I had 5 girls lining up to see me. But I wanted to meet a new talent, so I held off the others as backup. The new girl who showed up, was nothing like the photo. SO I send her away, then girls 2 and 3, who msged me almost every day since I came to Kiev on Friday tell me they are having a temperature and don't feel well so if I can meet them tomorrow. Then new girl number 4 says after almost an hour waiting if it won't be better if I come to her instead of her to me. After making a couple of jokey remarks about that, she deletes her profile. ANd then girl number 5 just tells me it is already late and it is better to meet tomorrow.

Well, I guess this is also Kiev. So far I really am not liking September in Kiev.

Not uncommon at all.

Girls fleaks out like that all the time!

They can really consume loads and loads of your time.

You can arrange the meeting time after time, they may fleak out again and again and that's not uncommon either.

For short visitors can be very frustrating!

That's why people end up with Gia or in Rio. (LOL)

[Epicurus]

I just don't like to see a girl (I don't know: pro, or semi-pro or amateur) in an unmarked car, which could be an agency driver, salon driver, pimps driver. It makes me nervous! Almost all the time, I would stop such meeting as soon as I see that. A girl waiting in a car with a driver (indicates to me she might have something to do with the driver); instead of her coming out and the car gone out of sight.

I still don't quite understand your nervosity or problem with an agency girl. Is it because you think that an agency girls is forced against her will unlike non-agency girls, or that the agency is taking too much of a cut?

Or is it because there is less chance of something happening if she's an agency girl. I agree with you on that, but not impossible. Girls in Kiev are usually semi-pro, wether they get jobs via an agency or not. It has happened to me often enough that girls gave me their private numbers to reach them directly and not via their despatcher.

[AColonizer]

What do people do when they are poor and they don't want to work because there are a lot of foreign gentlemen? Easy to guess: they invent one thousands ways to scam them! That's something similar to the tale of the countryside mouse and the town mouse.

Case 1- Contacted, by Mamba site, a girl for 150 $/12 hours, she came in time, she was ten years older than pictures, I decided to give her half money now and half money tomorrow morning, she wanted all money immediately, I'll trying to convince her this the best deal for both, she wasted time with personal tales (time to think what to do) and phone calls (her boyfriend / manager) and slim cigarettes (cigarettes just less strong than narcotics), I realized she didn't want to work and she was awaiting to run away with my money and to go to her boyfriend near my apartment, I gave taxi money and sent her away. I say, in my statistics, each face and appearance correspond to a specific mindset and behavior, therefore I wished to send her away from the first moment, but I wanted to challenge myself.

Case 2 - Contacted, by a prostitute site, an usual abbess / manageress (who always receives orders from a male boss) at +3806xxxxxx41, I asked for a young, blue-eyed, big busty girl, she sent a girl by a private light-grey car license plate AI8138 BI (not a regular taxi), a girl got out, she was pretty old, blonde, eyes with blue-colored contact lenses, she wanted taxi money immediately, I gave it, she wanted sex money immediately to give it to the driver (try to guess: who is the driver? Then I catch taxi money from her hand like a cat, I sent her away, the car remained five minutes on the road, maybe the girl and the driver were talking about something was wrong, I am sure the driver said the typical bullshit of Slavic men.

Now I am dealing with some girls in Mamba site but they are revealing a low-end brothel that publishes profiles of beautiful girls as bait-and-switch / stalking horses / mirror for larks and then that low-end brothel sends worn-out girls who try to scam gentlemen as much as possible.

This afternoon this girl arrived in an unmarked black car (the car looked quite new), which she called a taxi. She looks quite plain, skinny and older than her reported age.

I asked her telling the taxi to leave then I'll meet her and give her the taxi money but she insisted that I give her the taxi money to pay the taxi then meet. She claimed she didn't have any money, but how did she left with the same taxi after 25 min without any money? I aslo asked her why did she take the taxi if she didn't have any money to pay for it and why didn't she just take the metro. She didn't say anything but just kept on asking if I have money and if I'll pay the taxi. At the end, I ask her: "Are you an agency?" and she said she didn't understand. I told her again: "I think you are an agency! You and this unmarked black car makes me nervous!" Tell the black car / taxi to leave. Shortly, she left with the black car.

Any input from the veterans of this thread is welcome as to what's going on here with this girl's acton.

[Horny Monger]

It's good to look for your money, but not taking a (private) taxi in Kiew produces you as a super-cheapnik.

Serious, 100-200 Griwna for a taxi is fine for most inner city routes, not any kind of scam. And thinking about it, I guess she felt for sure more safe to find any way to pay the driver later on, than to stay. Maybe he got to taste her for the ride.

Thanks for your input and thoughful advice.

No one care about 200 grivnas! (LOL).

Didn't you read the post below in which I gave a girl, whom I didn't even have sex with, 500 grivnas. And I didn't plan to ever have sex with her.

At least, she didn't come with an umarked car sitting inside with the driver waiting.

Like I said, I don't want to see the girl has anything to do with the cab driver.

It would have been perfectly ok if either she came with a legal taxi or she paid the driver first then asked me for that money.

I had already said to her quite a few times that I would give her that money, which is actually more than what the illegal taxi costed.

[Epicurus]

UN effin'BELIEVABLE. At lunch I had 5 girls lining up to see me. But I wanted to meet a new talent, so I held off the others as backup. The new girl who showed up, was nothing like the photo. SO I send her away, then girls 2 and 3, who msged me almost every day since I came to Kiev on Friday tell me they are having a temperature and don't feel well so if I can meet them tomorrow. Then new girl number 4 says after almost an hour waiting if it won't be better if I come to her instead of her to me. After making a couple of jokey remarks about that, she deletes her profile. ANd then girl number 5 just tells me it is already late and it is better to meet tomorrow.

Well, I guess this is also Kiev. So far I really am not liking September in Kiev.

[Reef LostCause]

You're way off, dude!

Plenty of student girls and respectful office workers take the Metro or public transport.

And if you have no money and take a taxi, that's foolish.

It's even more foolish to come in an unmarked / illegal taxi and tell a foreign person that it's a taxi!

There are millions of "unmarked" taxis all around the world. That's called Uber.

[Horny Monger]

Man, that's extreme rude. Taking the Metro is considered low. And way low beyond anything expected of a foreigner to think of. Real Ladies don't take the metro. That's for old babushkas.

You're way off, dude!

Plenty of student girls and respectful office workers take the Metro or public transport.

And if you have no money and take a taxi, that's foolish.

It's even more foolish to come in an unmarked / illegal taxi and tell a foreign person that it's a taxi!

[Horny Monger]

Dude,

I really don't understand what you're expecting. Taxi is a general term for having someone drive you. In Kiev (and most of FSU) it's perfect normal to stop a car en route and haggle for a ride.

Every Lady. Really, everyone, not just working girls. Got several numbers of people who earn some additional dough by doing privat taxi. I'd be rather suspicious when a normal person show up with a marked taxi.

And if she's a working girl, she usually has a driver who's even waiting to pick her up later on. That's pretty much standard.

Hey Dude!

The thing is I don't know if it's a taxi if it's unmarked!

As I said in the post below, I don't want to see the girl has anything to do with the cab driver. So when any girl, pretty or not, shows up with a driver in an unmarked car waiting makes it suspicious.

I would rather pay her the higher taxi fare with an marked / legal taxi!

I don't need to save a couple of grivnas with the unmarked / illegal taxi, which might not even be a taxi and might be a pimp's car.

I've never seen a respectful Ukrainian or other foreingers taking an unmarked / illegal taxi.

You're obviously dealing with different kind of people.

[Horny Monger]

Hi, I should have been more clear on my last post to this subject. You are most likely dealing with a salon / brothel and not an agency like Gia. You mentioned that agencies send girls on time and that's generally true. But when you are dealing with a salon, they will delay delivering the girl until it is convenient for them. The problem with Kiev salons is they cater to locals and the quality is generally low. Theirs no issue for them to fancy up a druggy streetwalker and send her over to your place. As a general rule, quality girls want nothing to do with cab drivers or men that might suspect what they do.

I'm a Kiev novice, so take it with a grain of salt.

Thanks for the clarification. I fully agree with you! I certianly don't want to see the girl has anything to do with the cab driver. So when any girl, pretty or not, shows up with a driver in an unmarked car waiting makes it suspicious. And makes me nervous because there could be trouble during the current environment in Kiev.

[Horny Monger]

I prefer July over September. Weather was better, girls better dressed and it seems more girls in the park and on the street. Now they all have to go to college, or they have to be somewhere, not just walking around. I also like to be busy during the day and none of my current contacts can, only in the evening or in the weekend. And the quality of the massage parlors during the day is pretty bad.

It's gotten so bad, I even start to look at GIA. What's up with so many photos of the girl's feet? Is it trendy now to have a foot fetish in Kiev?

As soon as September arrives, the weather becomes generally cold and rainy and girls have to go to schools and they become pretty busy! Weekends they have training and family time; so the girls, who you hooked up with the month before, may have very limited time with you.