Kyiv

[Limarian]

It depends on your luck. And cash. The main thing here is the sense of freedom. There are way more escort agencies and massage places in London although Kiev is the cheapest place in Europe I think if you are on a budget or want long call outs. The girls on average are better looking and the street scene is excellent but when it comes down to it, since River Palace went there's not much between this and any other Euro city. If you take into account the cost of the plane fare and accommodation, you would be better off staying where you are living in a Holiday Inn for a week and spending the money saved on up market hookers. On the other hand, there is an excitement in just being naughty somewhere different.

You tell me!

It's way seriously overhyped! Especially by some members, and I can tell you their reports read very embellished!

Bottom line is Kiev is expensive place to monger both in terms of time and money unless you go to strip clubs then it's only money, but why??

You can get the same at home or better and save money on hotel and airfare.

And save time on travelling and hassel of airports.

[Horny Monger]

This thread is seriously overhyped. To say that Kiev is a sex paradise is just nonsense.

If you don't speak any ukrainian or russian everything there is extremely tiring.

You tell me!

It's way seriously overhyped! Especially by some members, and I can tell you their reports read very embellished!

Bottom line is Kiev is expensive place to monger both in terms of time and money unless you go to strip clubs then it's only money, but why??

You can get the same at home or better and save money on hotel and airfare.

And save time on travelling and hassel of airports.

[Horny Monger]

I thought it interesting that devs are no longer using the v sign to suggest pussy in their photos, Ukraine or anywhere else. They now use a more discreet pinching of their fingers or an opening between fingers.

Another solid piece of intel by Riina.

Hey, that's interesting! Maybe next time, if and when I saw a pretty girl doing a V sign on the street, I'll go, grab her and take her to . . . . . .

[Horny Monger]

Great Report!

This report fully reflects my experience and what I saw here in Kiev.

I stayed here many, many days the last two years.

Always in the prime area in the center on Kreshschatyk, right around the Metro and Mcdonald's.

There are only very few 8's or 9's these days during the day on Kreshschatyk.

I saw a lot more of better looking and hotter available girls in other E. E. Cities.

If you think about coming here for mongering, you'd better forget it!

Kiev is becoming more dangerous and as a mongering destination, it's pitiful.

Save your time and money and go elsewhere.

Could it be that hot girls have joined the National Police?? INSANE!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&fref=nf

Maybe they all have left Ukraine and are somewhere in Western Europe, I. E. UK, France!

[Riina]

I thought it interesting that devs are no longer using the v sign to suggest pussy in their photos, Ukraine or anywhere else. They now use a more discreet pinching of their fingers or an opening between fingers.

Another solid piece of intel by Riina.

[Guntherus]

This thread is seriously overhyped. To say that Kiev is a sex paradise is just nonsense.....

This a realistic evaluation. In the last few month, number of guys have written on this board about their intentions to go there, asking for simplest advice and promising a report, and we never hear from them again. Go figure how effective they have been. Really, I find German FKK easier, better and far less expensive.

[Kuranyi]

This thread is seriously overhyped. To say that Kiev is a sex paradise is just nonsense.

If you don't speak any ukrainian or russian everything there is extremely tiring.

[ZfNuka]

I have set up a Tinder account in Kiev, to line up some women to contact upon my arrival in October. What is the best way to make my proposition? Wait until I am in town, then invite them out for a drink and negotiate? Or should I drop some hints beforehand that I am looking for an arrangement?

If my plan to convince an amateur doesn't work, I have a few agencies etc. In mind thanks to you guys in this thread. So either way I think I will be OK.

Somebody also wrote that they chose to rent out 2 hotel rooms. One for play, one for sleeping. In case something went wrong. Does anyone else think this is a good idea, or is this a bit overkill? The closest I've been to Kiev was when I was in Krakow, Poland. Never had any issue with safety there whatsoever.

[Reallywildone]

I was very happy after my first experience with Relax (Katya), and decided to visit them for my next experience. As usual, I asked them to email me photos of girls who were working that day. No faces, but 2 or 3 photos of each girl's body, enough to give an indication of what the girl might be like.

I has some slight difficulty finding the place, because their address is "31 B". No 31 is marked on the main road, and you need to go into the courtyard from the entrance to 31; the building 31 be is on the opposite side of the courtyard. Also, the entrance to the salon is hidden away behind a small outhouse / building in the courtyard, so look around carefully. Don't go out of the entrance on the opposite side of the courtyard as I did!

The line up that day was four girls. I was in the mood to choose two girls, so I chose Lera (who doubles as the receptionist on her working days), and Nika, who has a very bright smile. They are somewhat different physically: Lera is about 5'08", wide face, big eyes and has dark hair; Nika is about 5'02" and blonde. Both girls are pretty and have nice breasts. Initially, Lera seemed a little bored / tired, but once the session began she seemed to warm up to me and her mood perked up. By the end of it she was giggling and laughing a lot.

The session started with a normal massage. Lera massaged my legs, while Nika did my back and hands. I could tell that Lera was better at the standard massage: good pressure and nice strokes. Nika was doing what she could; I think she just did not have much experience. We chit chatted a little about my work, travel, etc. , and it became apparent very quickly that Nika was keen to travel. I made a mental note to speak with her about this later. After about 25 minutes, the erotic massage began. That's when I realized that it probably wasn't the best idea to have two girls for an erotic massage (I mean these two specific girls). Lera was doing her thing grinding herself over me, and at the time Nika had nothing to do, so she was just touching my shoulder etc. And when Nika did her thing, Lera was a bit more engaged, but not as much as I'd have hoped. I suspect the girls just don't have enough experience on how to engage a man together; something I hope to teach them in further encounters).

Lera has this fantastic way of looking straight into your eyes, and she also breathes onto your face and ears during the body to body massage. She opens her lips, grazes her cheeks against your lips and so on. Highly erotic!

I explained to the girls that I did not want to cum and just wanted to continue experiencing pleasure. They found it a bit strange; especially Nika, who kept saying their aim is to "make you finish". I finally managed to convince her it wasn't really necessary, and it was by choice that I did not wish to ejaculate. I then talked to both of them a little about the theory of tantra, and showed them a few strokes and tricks that would delight a man and keep him coming back for more, asking for them by name. They both seemed to like that idea, and enjoyed what I taught them!

So overall, very pleasurable experience with two pretty ladies. That said, I'd probably stick with one girl at a time from now on, unless I have seen both separately and think they will be able to really engage 100% together; they way a real four-handed massage should be.

After one hour was up, I decided to have another hour immediately after with Lera. Separate post about that later.

[ChessB]

Great Report!

This report fully reflects my experience and what I saw here in Kiev.

I stayed here many, many days the last two years.

Always in the prime area in the center on Kreshschatyk, right around the Metro and Mcdonald's.

There are only very few 8's or 9's these days during the day on Kreshschatyk.

I saw a lot more of better looking and hotter available girls in other E. E. Cities.

If you think about coming here for mongering, you'd better forget it!

Kiev is becoming more dangerous and as a mongering destination, it's pitiful.

Save your time and money and go elsewhere.

Could it be that hot girls have joined the National Police?? INSANE!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&fref=nf

[Limarian]

Thanks for an excellent posting. All postings should be like this with proper info about where to go, what's on offer and how it was. Incidentally, Relax Massage is no to be confused with the Relax Portal aka Relax Escorts where the full service is available. As for the intercrural experience. This could really catch on, I wish I had realized this could be a non-sexual option in massage places with almost as much pleasure as full sex and without transgressing the parlour's no sex rules. Looking forward to further postings.

Just catching up on posts from my last visit to Kiev earlier this month.

After my first massage experience with Sonya from Dolly (I had gone to them), I decided to try Relax Massage. I asked for a girl to visit me at my apart hotel, and chose Katya. By the way, only a few of the girls are on the web site. Relax will email photos of the girls working that day; just call up and ask. I was busy all day that day, so asked for her to arrive at 12:30 at night. The price was 1000 UAH flat, and that includes transport, so you don't need to pay anything 'for taxi', 'night charges' etc. My apart hotel was in Holosiivska, and they are happy to send girls there (Salon Dolly only sends girls near the centre). I met Katya downstairs and then took her up to the apartment. Nice, tight, slim body!

I was told Katya spoke English, but in reality, she hardly spoke more than a few words. I wasn't seeing her for the conversation of course, so wasn't too bothered. After payment was sorted, she also asked me for 'taxi money'. I sort of knew by now that this was probably a way of getting some extra money out of the client, so I pretended not to understand, and then said I'd call the agency. On hearing this, she typed into a translator "I won't get anything for the visit"..

[Reallywildone]

Just catching up on posts from my last visit to Kiev earlier this month.

After my first massage experience with Sonya from Dolly (I had gone to them), I decided to try Relax Massage. I asked for a girl to visit me at my apart hotel, and chose Katya. By the way, only a few of the girls are on the web site. Relax will email photos of the girls working that day; just call up and ask. I was busy all day that day, so asked for her to arrive at 12:30 at night. The price was 1000 UAH flat, and that includes transport, so you don't need to pay anything 'for taxi', 'night charges' etc. My apart hotel was in Holosiivska, and they are happy to send girls there (Salon Dolly only sends girls near the centre). I met Katya downstairs and then took her up to the apartment. Nice, tight, slim body!

I was told Katya spoke English, but in reality, she hardly spoke more than a few words. I wasn't seeing her for the conversation of course, so wasn't too bothered. After payment was sorted, she also asked me for 'taxi money'. I sort of knew by now that this was probably a way of getting some extra money out of the client, so I pretended not to understand, and then said I'd call the agency. On hearing this, she typed into a translator "I won't get anything for the visit". Not entirely true, of course, but I appreciated the fact that she was being a little more honest than the 'taxi money' malarky. So I typed back into the translator saying that if she made me happy, I'd give her a very nice tip. That seemed to settle it for her. She did not ask how much the tip would be: a good sign.

Down to the action: I asked Katya not to bother with the standard massage for 30 minutes, and said I wanted erotic massage for the full hour. She was okay with that after our earlier discussion about a nice tip. I also asked if she would do oral for an extra tip, and she said she did not (I do think this could be possible after a few meetings with the same girl; have to check). By the way, the 1000 UAH for an outcall visit includes you being able to touch the girl and kiss all parts of the body except the lips and the privates.

First Katya had me lie on my back, oiled her breasts and massaged my back with her breasts. In a few minutes she turned me over, and the real fun started. She was pretty good at it; plenty of oil, rubbing every part of her body: breasts, belly, hips, thighs against the penis, and very good with her hands too. After a while, I asked her to lie down, got some of the oil off, and kissed her body, exploring to see if she'd stop me at any point. No problem with the neck, ears, navel or sucking her breasts. She got quite turned on after a few minutes (I know a few tricks from my study of erotic tantra techniques); could tell from the way she grabbed my hair, the way her belly started to convulse up and down uncontrollably, etc. There was quite a bit of enjoyable rubbing of bodies together over the next 45 minutes or so, in different positions. One cool trick she did was to squirt oil up the crack of her bum and then grind on top of me in cowgirl using her bum crack instead of the pussy for friction. Great view, and great sensations too!

Eventually I decided to cum, so had her oil her thighs some more, then got on top of her, while kissing her breasts and ears. She held her thighs together tight, and it felt very good. When I came, Katya caressed me and waited till I was fully done. The cum was all over her thighs and some even on her belly, and she did not flinch for a moment. We had a shower together, and I tipped her UAH 200 (I think in hindsight UAH 100 would do. I don't mind paying 200 personally, but am aware of keeping it realistic so she does not start to think that is expected from every punter). She was very happy with the tip, and I was very happy with the experience!

More reports later.

[Reallywildone]

Highly recommended.

Shall post some experiences shortly.

Can anyone recommend another good massage place with happy end in Kiev?

So far salondolly and luxmassage is on my list.

[CityHunter77]

Great Report!

This report fully reflects my experience and what I saw here in Kiev.

I stayed here many, many days the last two years.

Always in the prime area in the center on Kreshschatyk, right around the Metro and Mcdonald's.

There are only very few 8's or 9's these days during the day on Kreshschatyk.

I saw a lot more of better looking and hotter available girls in other E. E. Cities.

If you think about coming here for mongering, you'd better forget it!

Kiev is becoming more dangerous and as a mongering destination, it's pitiful.

Save your time and money and go elsewhere.

Hotter girls available in what other E. E Cities?

[Horny Monger]

I am in Ukraine now. I like it here quite a bit. However, I don't think this is quite the mongering destination it used to be. It is also getting unsafe. The people here are extremely racist against people who don't look like them. I blend in, but those who do not are treated badly. There have been many assaults in recent weeks against foreigners visiting Ukraine. As the political situation deteriorates, I imagine this will only get worse.

I am not a serious monger, but I did have a chance to visit with an apartment girl in Kiev. It was a nice experience, but she was only average looking and I spent about $150 for 1.5 hours. I have a couple of other friends here who have had similar experiences. Don't get me wrong, she was petite and the sex was good. The sex was better and cheaper and the girls were much hotter in Bangkok.

There are very hot girls in certain parts of Kiev, but to be honest, those girls are spoken for. There are more Range Rovers per capita in Kiev than in Chicago. The statics suggesting this place is poor are false. There is a huge black market here and there are a ton of rich guys.

I honestly think the sex scene in the FKK clubs in Germany is better for the average monger.

Also, there is absolutely zero value to being a middle class American. Unless you are willing to stay at the most expensive hotel in town, purchase a table at the best club in town, score drugs, and shell out $200/500 per night for the girl, you will not be achieving much with the 9's-10's you fantasize about and see on model sites and web porn videos.

You can get that girl much cheaper and easier in Germany at a high end brothel.

Also, the language barrier is fairly high. If you don't speak fluent Russian you will not be able to find a hot girlfriend in Kiev. You may find a decent middle-aged girl, but the quality is not that much higher than in the US or western Europe. Also, most single girls over 25 in Ukraine are high-mileage, and many are retired prostitutes. If you go to Lviv, you must speak Ukrainian (not Russian) to be able to connect with girls there. Otherwise, you are limited to about 5-10% of the population who are fluent in English. The monger scene in Lviv is nonexistent. The town is beautiful and worth a visit with your wife.

Prague is still very good. Germany has some of the best mongering in the world. Also, Bangkok is one of the best cities I've ever been to for pro and non-pro action. I've had great experiences in Colombia and have also heard great things about Rio. Argentina was better when Madahos was open.

If you are fluent in Russian and have a very large wad of cash to blow, Kiev may be your paradise. Otherwise, you are going to come here and window shop some amazing girls on the street, and then overpay for sex with an average high-mile hooker in a dirty apartment, or find a retired prostitute to date and financially support.

If you bring in $15-20 k per month, have the energy to chase girls, and are independent from work, I recommend you take Russian lessons for the next 6 months and head directly to Kiev for the full length of your visa. Otherwise your time is much better spent elsewhere.

I think the guys who linger in Kiev are living in a fantasy zone where they see extremely hot girls around town and think if they "hang around the hoop" long enough one will fall into their lap. If they study Russian or Ukrainian and become fluent, and have very good income, this would become a reality. But most of the foreign mongers I've met are not of that ilk, and they aren't getting laid by 9-10's in Ukraine.

If you are happy paying $100+ for 7-8 quality girls with petite bodies and high mileage and are coming for a short period of time, this place is fine. Just don't get your hopes up. The super-hot photos on the web are all fake.

My 2 cents.

Great Report!

This report fully reflects my experience and what I saw here in Kiev.

I stayed here many, many days the last two years.

Always in the prime area in the center on Kreshschatyk, right around the Metro and Mcdonald's.

There are only very few 8's or 9's these days during the day on Kreshschatyk.

I saw a lot more of better looking and hotter available girls in other E. E. Cities.

If you think about coming here for mongering, you'd better forget it!

Kiev is becoming more dangerous and as a mongering destination, it's pitiful.

Save your time and money and go elsewhere.