Kyiv

[DruidFire]

Hi Jelly Donut,

Thanks for the info. I plan on trying out Rio at least once. When you say 4 turned you down, that's 4 out of how many?

Update on my plans. I will be leaving for Kiev on the 21st. Will stay overnight in Frankfurt and hit FKK Oase for a night. Will get to Kiev on the 23rd and stay till the 31st. I've made some plans with a couple of Mamba girls, one of them recommended here, and I'm contacting a few others. If none workout then off to Rio and other apartments. I'm also contacting some women on travel girls, mentioned earlier by a member here. Don't know yet if that will pan out or if most women on the site are just scammers. I'll let you know if anything comes of it. If anyone is in Kiev on the above mentioned date and wants to meet for a beer, just PM me. Beer and lunch is on me.

[Jelly Donut]

Is it worth it? Whats included there? Are you allowed to touch?

Yes. In my case, Rio is worth it, the dances are worth it, but there are a number of members on this forum that will disagree and some have good arguments against it. The downside is you pay much more for women at places like Rio. On the upside it can save a lot of time, it allows you to quickly scope out a number of attractive women, most of whom will leave with you. The private dances are hands on. In most cases they are auditions, where the woman is attempting to convince you that you should pick her over someone else, while you are trying to make a decision. In rare cases, all you get is a private dance; the woman does not have sex with customers. In three years, I've had 4 women at Rio turn me down; three because they did not leave with customers at all and the forth because I did not speak Ukrainian / Russian. I'm not an expert on Kiev and I'm only slowly understanding the scene and language; I don't have a lot of free time and I don't mind the bar fine. So, Rio makes a lot of sense for me. Of the strip clubs I've been to in Kiev, it's been the most efficient.

In my experience there are other well-advertised clubs, but the cost of entrance is often higher, the dances are more expensive, the drinks are more expensive, it's generally darker and the ratio of women who are just dancing is higher. This can add a lot of 'discovery' cost that I was on about earlier. Finding a willing partner takes longer, costs more.

[DavidNelson]

I am in Ukraine now. I like it here quite a bit. However, I don't think this is quite the mongering destination it used to be. It is also getting unsafe. The people here are extremely racist against people who don't look like them. I blend in, but those who do not are treated badly. There have been many assaults in recent weeks against foreigners visiting Ukraine. As the political situation deteriorates, I imagine this will only get worse.

I am not a serious monger, but I did have a chance to visit with an apartment girl in Kiev. It was a nice experience, but she was only average looking and I spent about $150 for 1.5 hours. I have a couple of other friends here who have had similar experiences. Don't get me wrong, she was petite and the sex was good. The sex was better and cheaper and the girls were much hotter in Bangkok.

There are very hot girls in certain parts of Kiev, but to be honest, those girls are spoken for. There are more Range Rovers per capita in Kiev than in Chicago. The statics suggesting this place is poor are false. There is a huge black market here and there are a ton of rich guys.

I honestly think the sex scene in the FKK clubs in Germany is better for the average monger.

Also, there is absolutely zero value to being a middle class American. Unless you are willing to stay at the most expensive hotel in town, purchase a table at the best club in town, score drugs, and shell out $200/500 per night for the girl, you will not be achieving much with the 9's-10's you fantasize about and see on model sites and web porn videos.

You can get that girl much cheaper and easier in Germany at a high end brothel.

Also, the language barrier is fairly high. If you don't speak fluent Russian you will not be able to find a hot girlfriend in Kiev. You may find a decent middle-aged girl, but the quality is not that much higher than in the US or western Europe. Also, most single girls over 25 in Ukraine are high-mileage, and many are retired prostitutes. If you go to Lviv, you must speak Ukrainian (not Russian) to be able to connect with girls there. Otherwise, you are limited to about 5-10% of the population who are fluent in English. The monger scene in Lviv is nonexistent. The town is beautiful and worth a visit with your wife.

Prague is still very good. Germany has some of the best mongering in the world. Also, Bangkok is one of the best cities I've ever been to for pro and non-pro action. I've had great experiences in Colombia and have also heard great things about Rio. Argentina was better when Madahos was open.

If you are fluent in Russian and have a very large wad of cash to blow, Kiev may be your paradise. Otherwise, you are going to come here and window shop some amazing girls on the street, and then overpay for sex with an average high-mile hooker in a dirty apartment, or find a retired prostitute to date and financially support.

If you bring in $15-20 k per month, have the energy to chase girls, and are independent from work, I recommend you take Russian lessons for the next 6 months and head directly to Kiev for the full length of your visa. Otherwise your time is much better spent elsewhere.

I think the guys who linger in Kiev are living in a fantasy zone where they see extremely hot girls around town and think if they "hang around the hoop" long enough one will fall into their lap. If they study Russian or Ukrainian and become fluent, and have very good income, this would become a reality. But most of the foreign mongers I've met are not of that ilk, and they aren't getting laid by 9-10's in Ukraine.

If you are happy paying $100+ for 7-8 quality girls with petite bodies and high mileage and are coming for a short period of time, this place is fine. Just don't get your hopes up. The super-hot photos on the web are all fake.

My 2 cents.

[CallSign Papa]

Hey guys,

I have heard that 3 hours of service is 200 USD for Rio. By the way does that true? Also, what's the current price of lap dance in Rio and zolotoy nosorog?

Last time I was there (6 months ago), it was 200 grivna, not sure if the price has gone recently to offset the currency situation.

[Kuranyi]

At Rio, 400 UAH for a set of three.

Is it worth it? Whats included there? Are you allowed to touch?

[Jelly Donut]

On the other hand what's the cost of the lap dance for nowadays?

At Rio, 400 UAH for a set of three.

[Riina]

http://www.politico.eu/article/kievs...raine-culture/

Out with the mongers, in with the hipsters.

[Alaiddin]

Hey guys,

I have heard that 3 hours of service is 200 USD for Rio. By the way does that true? Also, what's the current price of lap dance in Rio and zolotoy nosorog?

[Alaiddin]

300 USD or 6000 UAH. In most circumstances, it pays to convert. The ultimate cost is higher, since you have to pay a cover and for drinks and dances while trying to figure out if the girl will leave with you. Most Rio girls can be taken out, but at least a couple of the real stunners are just dancing. The "discovery" costs are not completely trivial, but I believe they are lower than, say, at Dolls or many other venues.

Thank you for your reply but I heard the rates are about 200 USD for 3 hours in Rio? On the other hand what's the cost of the lap dance for nowadays?

[Jelly Donut]

Hey guys,
I have been to Kiev for many times and nearly know everything about Kyiv but I had to ask you about Club Rio that does it still open and do you know the current USD rates for 3 hours of joy?

300 USD or 6000 UAH. In most circumstances, it pays to convert. The ultimate cost is higher, since you have to pay a cover and for drinks and dances while trying to figure out if the girl will leave with you. Most Rio girls can be taken out, but at least a couple of the real stunners are just dancing. The "discovery" costs are not completely trivial, but I believe they are lower than, say, at Dolls or many other venues.

[AColonizer]

If you are actually happy indeed for that, then your money was spent wisely.

Upon my experience, I can't say anything about prices because I am away from Kiev for years but I understood you don't have experience enough to rate a sexual performance. If you thought by your Western mindset, then you mistook everything but you didn't realize that. First, throw all American porn movies to a litter bin because they don't show real sex and good performance. Second, you should meet a Slavic girl who teaches you the real sex. Otherwise you never understand what is Sex and Female for all your lifetime!

I met five girls from Relaxportal about a month ago over the course of an extended week in Odessa.

Anything is possible here. Photos are in general not correct, but that does not mean that the girl who shows up is not possibly very pretty.

First girl was not the slim blonde, but in fact quite curvy. But she was somehow pretty, and very lewd. Cost including OWO 1300 UAH.

Second girl was extremely cute, but new to the business and strictly offering everything with condom, even BJ. She was passionate, and arousable. 1000 UAH.

Third girl was young, quite good looking, but strictly professional, I. E. A little detached. 1000 UAH..

[AColonizer]

I hate injustice. Therefore I need to do something when a stupid girl wants to cheat me in a stupid way. My story is good as well as a girl's story. And I never tell the truth to police, of course. Yes, it is better do not phone the police. But I made something in some troubles and I should had to do some bad more. I reacted to those stupid prostitutes, anyway. Nothing rough but something cynical. I can't describe it here because pimps and prostitutes read this forum but it is sure everybody could do something to punish bad girls. The trick is to think like them and to behave like real men. Let go a fraud with no reaction is a personal defeat.

I've never been to Kiev, but as a general rule you never want to involve the police when in a foreign country (or for that matter even your own.) In this case, I'm pretty sure prostitution is illegal in Ukraine, so the last thing you want to do is tell the police you paid for "services. " So to avoid an early runner, best is to agree upfront on half now and half in the morning. If they refuse, I guess you can assume they will run. Other option is just agree to short time and if you click with her you can ask to upgrade.

After you've been scammed, though, you are infinitely better off just accepting the loss and moving on than calling the police. You can also try saying that you'll be in town for a while and wanted to hang out only with her, but if she runs off you won't. Worth a try.

[Alaiddin]

Hey guys,

I have been to Kiev for many times and nearly know everything about Kyiv but I had to ask you about Club Rio that does it still open and do you know the current USD rates for 3 hours of joy?

[JGomez90]

Great report!

What kind of sex were in these apartments? Was everything done with condoms in these aparments? Do you pay extra for BBBJ, CIM, COF, etc? Are these apartments in the center around Kreschatik?

There are a few factors that might play into this. Firstly I didn't negotiate anything other than sex, except for one girl who took 500 grivna extra for anal. That said some of the girls gave BBBJ no problem and others only wanted to do covered BJ. One girl wanted me to COB. I didn't try CIM or COF. I think it's possible to get them to do these things without paying but some women might ask for extra grivna. The sex was done with condoms. One girl said if I became her BF then we could do it without condom. She seemed serious about that. The sex varied between women. Some enjoyed it and were enthusiastic about it. Others were lazy about it. One girl didn't want to do it at all and I thought maybe she had some STD (her pussy smelled so badly and it was dark), I just let her do BJ and leave.

[Chenin]

The police can, and will, in fact, take you and the girl down to the station, if they are so inclined, if it is nearby, if you smirked, or if you do the ugly American bit, or who knows why. What they will then do is "register" your girl as a "known prostitute," in addition to the misdemeanor fine. This will certainly mess up your girl's mood. Whether or not being registered will also impact her future, job, travel visas, etc, is another story. She will probably think it will and the police undoubtedly will say so. I doubt it, because in my personal experience "registering" involved writing down her info in a book, with a pen, by hand, old school. . . They will also take down your passport number and such and enter you in the same book.

Oh, and in my experience, they will do this very, very slowly. We are talking 3 hours or so, from personal experience.

About the police, it is everyone's choice. What to do? I know that the fine was much much lower. The girl was not a prostitute and if she was one, I would have respected her the same. She was in the police car, quite shaken. Indeed they certainly threatened her. My choice was to solve quietly the situation in ten minutes. As I wrote, lowered the bribe because it was one.

Then end the night happily as we planned. Sushi and champagne cheered her up (plus a bonus, yes).

I do not live in Kiev but I am often there. Do not interfere with police, seems a good advice. Who has not been stopped by the famous street police and see your driver go to pay a bribe.

So my advice, if you go back with a girl from a club or somewhere, even if a nice walk would be romantic. Take a taxi. That was my mistake, I admit. Police is no friend to foreigners, particularly to English speakers.