Kyiv

[Harry Hardman]

Premier palace is in the upper echelons regarding price.

So it sounds more and more like a trap.

Thanks.

[Harry Hardman]

So it sounds like I may have to bust a few heads while I search for love in Kiev. Bring it on!

But how will girls react to a well off American visitor? Won't there be that much more curiosity or desperation?

Are there much fewer Western men around compared to two years ago?

You'll be a walking ATM. RTTF a good while back.

There's no curiosity because they've seen it all.

[EdWald]

So how does Kiev work? Is it most common to buy off the street, this "sponsoring" thing or does it have brothels and / or websites I can check?

[Epicurus]

Premier palace is in the upper echelons regarding price.

In the following conversation the girl was eager to meet now and she said: "I can call and pick up you", it sounds like last part of your post. Does it sound like a warning? Any thoughts?

And is the premier palace hotel, a tourist trap or something?

Me.

Hi, When do you have free time to meet?

Girl.

I have free time now.

Have 3 hours free.

Tomorrow fly to holiday.

Girl.

We can meet now in atmosphere in premier palace hotel.

Here nice place.

You will like.

Where you now?

Me.

I am near Maidan.

Girl.

I can call and pick up you.

And we can meet.

And going to that resort ant for a dinner now.

[SilverFox2015]

There are some unsavory characters around. Yesterday, I saw a guy got beaten up all bloody faced and blood dripping down his body on Kreschatik.

So it sounds like I may have to bust a few heads while I search for love in Kiev. Bring it on!

But how will girls react to a well off American visitor? Won't there be that much more curiosity or desperation?

Are there much fewer Western men around compared to two years ago?

[Harry Hardman]

You know, I'm a well dressed, educated, well travelled gentleman. I treat women politely and with respect. Of course women love this an it opens doors for you. However, there will be those who take advantage of that and push the envelope, such as this *****. The only warning signs I had was how quickly she wanted to meet, insisted she pick me up in a taxi and how she picked the venue. The caf we went to was expensive by Kyiv standards.

I know what some guys on this site are undoubtedly thinking: "OK, Gopnik, maybe you're just some bum with no style, no brains and failed to rein this devochka in. ' Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. All I can tell you is if you decide to meet this *****, you've been warned. She wants to take and give nothing.

Druid, you want my advice? Tell whatever girl you decide to meet to meet you in a place of your choice, or to come to your flat (if she is a semi-pro, she'll probably want to meet you in public first). Don't let her pick you up in a taxi and go somewhere of her choosing. That was my number one mistake. I should have known better. Also, make sure its clear between you what you are both looking for.

In the following conversation the girl was eager to meet now and she said: "I can call and pick up you", it sounds like last part of your post. Does it sound like a warning? Any thoughts?

And is the premier palace hotel, a tourist trap or something?

Me.

Hi, When do you have free time to meet?

Girl.

I have free time now.

Have 3 hours free.

Tomorrow fly to holiday.

Girl.

We can meet now in atmosphere in premier palace hotel.

Here nice place.

You will like.

Where you now?

Me.

I am near Maidan.

Girl.

I can call and pick up you.

And we can meet.

And going to that resort ant for a dinner now.

[Harry Hardman]

The supermarkets' prices fully reflect the current EX rate with most prices at least doubled from two years ago.

So the prices are not better with the better current EX Rate.

Most girls also seem to have at least doubled their prices in Grivnas or asking for $.

Even Ukrainain beer pices has increase dramatically from two year ago.

The prices are higher than you'd expect in $.

Basically, You are paying at least what would pay two years ago in $.

[Harry Hardman]

Everything is open and safe like in any state in the USA.

Concerning girls, we are back in the 90. You just sit down in a MacDonald and you show a 50 $ banknote (30 $ is not enough). You will be surprised how many girls sit around your place. Then you just have to pick up one or two and going to your hotel or apartment. Life is so wonderful, isn't it.

You are very funny! (LOL).

Don't kid the newbie. If the newbie flashes his 50 $ banknote, when he goes outside, he might be met with troubles.

There are some unsavory characters around. Yesterday, I saw a guy got beaten up all bloody faced and blood dripping down his body on Kreschatik.
There also seem to be increasing number of homeless or wanders scavenging the dumpsters.

[SilverFox2015]

What if I want to marry one and bring her back to Miami? I'm 50 by the way, but have a good job as a dentist and keep in decent shape.

[Volpone]

I have read a lot about the Ukrainian economy collapsing, rampant poverty, lack of basic services, etc.

http://qz.com/343660/ukraine-is-head...omic-collapse/

I want to take a vacation in Kiev, however what is it really like over there these days? Are the lights on, stores open, streets safe, people living normally? Are conditions much worse than a few years ago? Is it something like what I read about Greece?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/bu...aftermath.html

And most importantly are beautiful university girls desperate for $30 and prepared to entertain a distinguished, respectful, mature American tourist?

Thank you for your help.

Everything is open and safe like in any state in the USA.

Concerning girls, we are back in the 90. You just sit down in a MacDonald and you show a 50 $ banknote (30 $ is not enough). You will be surprised how many girls sit around your place. Then you just have to pick up one or two and going to your hotel or apartment. Life is so wonderful, isn't it.

[SilverFox2015]

I have read a lot about the Ukrainian economy collapsing, rampant poverty, lack of basic services, etc.

http://qz.com/343660/ukraine-is-head...omic-collapse/

I want to take a vacation in Kiev, however what is it really like over there these days? Are the lights on, stores open, streets safe, people living normally? Are conditions much worse than a few years ago? Is it something like what I read about Greece?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/10/bu...aftermath.html

And most importantly are beautiful university girls desperate for $30 and prepared to entertain a distinguished, respectful, mature American tourist?

Thank you for your help.

[Jojosun]

LOL , this article ... sounds like the Mamba girls (in Lugans, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and so on).


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chechen-gir...t-ploy-1513847

A group of Chechen girls posing on social media as potential recruits for Islamic State (Isis) have swindled the terrorist organisation out of $3,300 (2,120).

After being approached by an Islamic militant on a social network earlier in 2015, one of the girls revealed to Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets that she had accepted money for travel expenses to Syria. "he began to lure me, saying 'do you want to come to Syria? It is very good'. I told him that I had no money," the girl, speaking anonymously, said.

I for one applaud the girls for swindling the evils.

The Moral of the article, extra care is needed with all Travel Girls.

[Epicurus]

LOL , this article ... sounds like the Mamba girls (in Lugans, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and so on).


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chechen-gir...t-ploy-1513847

A group of Chechen girls posing on social media as potential recruits for Islamic State (Isis) have swindled the terrorist organisation out of $3,300 (2,120).

After being approached by an Islamic militant on a social network earlier in 2015, one of the girls revealed to Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets that she had accepted money for travel expenses to Syria. "he began to lure me, saying 'do you want to come to Syria? It is very good'. I told him that I had no money," the girl, speaking anonymously, said.

[Epicurus]

I am comfortable meeting beautiful women and asking for phone numbers and bringing them to a bed somewhere, when possible. Yet, offering them monetary compensation is very new to Me. I tried it tonight to start adding the skill.

Mainly seems that I am working past My own concepts about it. Was talking with a girl tonight that was flirty and seemed like she was open to amateur freelancing (yes I just invented that word) and was using Google translate in public asking her. And maybe the letters were too large in a public place for her to say okay.

So anyway. She kinda waffled from into it to acting mildly fake insulted.

Basically if she spoke English it would have been easier, obviously. I already speak Japanese because of women. Not so interested in learning Russian right now. If the political climate in Russia was nicer, I would consider learning Russian to be more valuable as there would be more available model style women to date using the language.

I have basically observed that, in Ukraine, like other relatively low income nations like China, women seem that they would literally date a fat turd if it spoke the language and had enough cash.

I would actually like to make a big plastic turd, put a speaker inside it, and put it in a nice car with tinted windows. Then remotely "roll up" on chicks to see how they respond. Have some guy talking to them with a mic remotely. See if the women would get in the nice car and roll with any fat disgusting turd.

Would they? Hmmm. Maybe only the chicks with the caked on make-up and ridiculously high heels.

I have no doubt that there are some that would.

I speak some Russian and that helps a lot indeed.

Many of the times I have lunch or dinner, I invite a girl to come along with me. I like to have my food in the companionship of a pretty girl. Usually I never have to spend more than 300 or 400 Grivn, much less than what I usually spend on myself if I go out to have a bite in Holland. Doesn't always lead to sex on the first date, or second or third, and with three girls I still haven't after more than 5. But one is a good hairdresser, so she cuts my hair whenever I am in Kiev, another girl always manages to make me laugh whenever she's with me and another girl is just stunningly beautiful in a classy way and I notice that people and other girls regard me very differently even admiringly when I am with her.

Funny thing is that the girl who makes me laugh has told her friends about me, and now this very beautiful girl has contacted me on vk.com to ask if I want to meet up with her in September, but to not tell her friend about it. Don't really know how to go about this. Could be a trap or a test, but she's really cute and much prettier than the girl who makes me laugh.

Anyway, my tip is if you want regular ( so no pro or semi-pro) girls, the slow game in general works en is also enjoyable albeit in a different way. It also helps that I come to Kiev about four times a year, but in total not more than a month, and you are staying in Kiev for more than a month.

[Muddy7]

I liked the club scene, but you have to be motivated to hunt. Just stay away from the glamour clubs where flashy Western dudes fag out with the super models and nobody gets laid.

Sharp post.