Kyiv

[DruidFire]

At EasyEase,

This advice is kind of round-a-about and not sure if it will help, but here is one thing you can try. There is a language learning website called iTalki. Basically you sign up for lessons with a teacher and communicate via Skype and you can learn pretty much any language. You can look for a Russian / Ukrainian teacher who lives in Kiev and ask him (you are probably better off with a male instructor for your purposes) he might not know anything about the mongering seen but he can at least write an ad for you in Russian and help you post it. And he may know someone who knows someone who can act as guide. It's a shot in the dark, but you will only be out the price of a couple of language lessons if it doesn't pan out. Something like 10 $/ hour or less.

Good luck! I like your dream and hope you live it soon.

[EasyEase]

Hi dear mongers,

I am travelling again to Kiev next month for a 3-4 day stay. I've been to Kiev many times and visited many places. Starting from back then Riverpalace to the'Lux, Arena and Shooters. The experiences I had in Kiev are the best I had. I've been to Thailand, Brazil, Dubai, USA, Ethiopia and many other places for Mongering.

This time I have a dream that I want to fulfill (isn't it about fulfilling dreams? I would like to shoot a movie with a Pornstar. I searched at the common Escort Pages and found only a few who are offering Photo / Filming in their services. And as I am only staying for 3-4 days, this adventure has to be planned well.

Can anyone guide me here, how to find Agencies who provide Pornstars in Kiev? I will also need a Cameraman. How would you plan this adventure?

I was thinking about placing an add in Ukrgo but it seems that only Cyrillic language is accepted. Which I can't write or read.

Any suggestions?

Happy mongering,

Easyease

[Gopnik]

Most definitely **NOT** what I was thinking. I was thinking that I while have plenty of P4 P experience, I have zero experience in finding the right sponsoree or semi-girlfriend. So what happened to you could easily happen to me and probably will. Though it will not be the same girl. I take that warning seriously.

Thanks again for relating this experience. Most guys want to report conquests and successes. Which is great. But we need to know about the bitter as well as the sweet.

No worries and good luck, man! The only thing that really bothers me is that she will probably continue to operate and get away with it. Someone has to swallow their pride and speak up. I've had a ton of success in Minsk and here in Kyiv. Sometimes I shake my head at the beauties I've dated or sponsored. However, this 'Lady' played me and hard.

[DruidFire]

I know what some guys on this site are undoubtedly thinking: "OK, Gopnik, maybe you're just some bum with no style, no brains and failed to rein this devochka in. ' Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. All I can tell you is if you decide to meet this *****, you've been warned. She wants to take and give nothing.

Most definitely **NOT** what I was thinking. I was thinking that I while have plenty of P4 P experience, I have zero experience in finding the right sponsoree or semi-girlfriend. So what happened to you could easily happen to me and probably will. Though it will not be the same girl. I take that warning seriously.

Thanks again for relating this experience. Most guys want to report conquests and successes. Which is great. But we need to know about the bitter as well as the sweet.

[Stevie69]

I read the response later on, and it seems a familiar tactic. It goes as follows. She acknowledges you before you show up, but otherwise does not spend much time on you. However, as soon as you arrive, and immediately after you arrive, she wants to meet you, desperately, at a place of her choosing. Actually, it is no an expensive place; it is a place where they have made an arrangement already. She will refuse to change venues! Try it! If she vehemently insists that she has walked far already, really likes the place, is waiting for you, and wearing high heels and tired of walking. All bad signs. It happened to me once, but I was suspicious and managed to stop it before it got out of control. I have recognized it a few times after that, and played along, and either not show up, or, if I happen to be around or curious, show up, say that I do not like the place, and leave.

Let us use our brains here. They earn 400 O-5000 UAH per month. A 50 UAH McDonald meal IS already expensive to them. A nice, normal meal for 2, with a couple of drinks, should not go over 300 UAH, and they should be very grateful for that. If they are not coming to your place after that, then they never will.

Gopnik,

Thanks for the heads up.

Your warning brings up a serious problem whenever dealing with the semi-pro "looking for a sponsor" type girl on Mamba. My first trip to Ukraine is in August, and while I have plenty of experience in pay for play, the part-time-girlfriend-for-gifts is a very different animal. I suspect it is very easy to end up being taken advantage of and then dropped like a load of coal. Not sure what precautions to take, what warning signs to look for. I guess with time and experience everyone figures it out and develops his own radar to spot the user types. Looking back at it now, Gopnik, is there anything she said or did while you were with her that might stand out as a red flag? Same for anyone else. I will certainly share my experiences, as I have no doubt it will happen to me at least once.

[Stevie69]

Maybe I will try her out and see whether I can manage her. I like a challenge. Of course, I will not open my wallet so easily, or follow HER around the city. Au contraire.

I consider myself a relatively experienced monger: I've mongered considerably in Hungary, Ukraine and Belarus. However, even an experienced monger runs into problems or people who are problematic.

Case in point: http://www.mamba.ru/mb1394963991?hit=3.

Be careful of this one, gentleman, as she claims to be looking for a 'man to take care of her' but in reality only looking for you to follow her all over Kyiv, be a human ATM and then abandon you at the end of the night outside of her flat near Troieshchyna without so much as a thank you or polite goodbye. She seems very sweet and lovely at first, but after a drink or two she becomes bitter, contrary and clearly someone who men have wronged by how abnormally distrustful and surprisingly vitriolic she is in regards to them. She told me she recently got out of a long-term relationship where the man was cheating on her at every turn. In my opinion, she has toyed with sponsorship but it never went her way so she's striking back. I've never encountered such a bitter woman before. She seems to really know what she's doing from the onset and no doubt has played more than one man in her past. For example, she has an iPhone 6 Plus (which costs nearly 2000 USD in Kyiv) but cannot afford credits on her phone. Her photos are real and she looks less pretty in person, but still attractive.

You have been warned, gentleman.

[Gopnik]

Gopnik,

Thanks for the heads up.

Your warning brings up a serious problem whenever dealing with the semi-pro "looking for a sponsor" type girl on Mamba. My first trip to Ukraine is in August, and while I have plenty of experience in pay for play, the part-time-girlfriend-for-gifts is a very different animal. I suspect it is very easy to end up being taken advantage of and then dropped like a load of coal. Not sure what precautions to take, what warning signs to look for. I guess with time and experience everyone figures it out and develops his own radar to spot the user types. Looking back at it now, Gopnik, is there anything she said or did while you were with her that might stand out as a red flag? Same for anyone else. I will certainly share my experiences, as I have no doubt it will happen to me at least once.

You know, I'm a well dressed, educated, well travelled gentleman. I treat women politely and with respect. Of course women love this an it opens doors for you. However, there will be those who take advantage of that and push the envelope, such as this *****. The only warning signs I had was how quickly she wanted to meet, insisted she pick me up in a taxi and how she picked the venue. The café we went to was expensive by Kyiv standards.

I know what some guys on this site are undoubtedly thinking: "OK, Gopnik, maybe you're just some bum with no style, no brains and failed to rein this devochka in. ' Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. All I can tell you is if you decide to meet this *****, you've been warned. She wants to take and give nothing.

Druid, you want my advice? Tell whatever girl you decide to meet to meet you in a place of your choice, or to come to your flat (if she is a semi-pro, she'll probably want to meet you in public first). Don't let her pick you up in a taxi and go somewhere of her choosing. That was my number one mistake. I should have known better. Also, make sure its clear between you what you are both looking for.

[Limarian]

Website address is: www (dot) private (hyphen) tour (dot) org.

All the girls are genuine (no bait and switch) and they have a very friendly owner who speaks English, so it's easy to arrange a booking. But I just didn't like either of the 2 girls I tried.

OK, now I recognize this place. I too met one of the girls 'Alena' who was very pleasant and s pictured and obliging in her flat where there was a choice of three. The district was miles from the center in one of the grottiest blocks I have found, although the inside was fine. Jut a regular walk up brothel set up. This place has nothing to do with private guides or tours. In fact the girls here advertise on the Relax escort portal where you will find their deals. Incidentally, it would be helpful to get the name of the no no that you found. I wouldn't want to make the same mistake myself. If anybody does have experience of a proper guide service, or one that offers the sex option as well. I would love to hear about that.

[DruidFire]

Gopnik,

Thanks for the heads up.

Your warning brings up a serious problem whenever dealing with the semi-pro "looking for a sponsor" type girl on Mamba. My first trip to Ukraine is in August, and while I have plenty of experience in pay for play, the part-time-girlfriend-for-gifts is a very different animal. I suspect it is very easy to end up being taken advantage of and then dropped like a load of coal. Not sure what precautions to take, what warning signs to look for. I guess with time and experience everyone figures it out and develops his own radar to spot the user types. Looking back at it now, Gopnik, is there anything she said or did while you were with her that might stand out as a red flag? Same for anyone else. I will certainly share my experiences, as I have no doubt it will happen to me at least once.

[Gopnik]

I'm talking with her. But I have not met her yet.

Did you had sex with her?

No, as I said in my report: she is all talk. She's only is interested in getting money out of you and nothing else, believe me. Arguably the worst experience I've ever had with a woman in Eastern Europe and I am no newbie.

[MrFlex]

I'm talking with her. But I have not met her yet.

Did you had sex with her?

I consider myself a relatively experienced monger: I've mongered considerably in Hungary, Ukraine and Belarus. However, even an experienced monger runs into problems or people who are problematic.

Case in point: http://www.mamba.ru/mb1394963991?hit=3.

Be careful of this one, gentleman, as she claims to be looking for a 'man to take care of her' but in reality only looking for you to follow her all over Kyiv, be a human ATM and then abandon you at the end of the night outside of her flat near Troieshchyna without so much as a thank you or polite goodbye. She seems very sweet and lovely at first, but after a drink or two she becomes bitter, contrary and clearly someone who men have wronged by how abnormally distrustful and surprisingly vitriolic she is in regards to them. She told me she recently got out of a long-term relationship where the man was cheating on her at every turn. In my opinion, she has toyed with sponsorship but it never went her way so she's striking back. I've never encountered such a bitter woman before. She seems to really know what she's doing from the onset and no doubt has played more than one man in her past. For example, she has an iPhone 6 Plus (which costs nearly 2000 USD in Kyiv) but cannot afford credits on her phone. Her photos are real and she looks less pretty in person, but still attractive.

You have been warned, gentleman.

[Gopnik]

I consider myself a relatively experienced monger: I've mongered considerably in Hungary, Ukraine and Belarus. However, even an experienced monger runs into problems or people who are problematic.

Case in point: http://www.mamba.ru/mb1394963991?hit=3.

Be careful of this one, gentleman, as she claims to be looking for a 'man to take care of her' but in reality only looking for you to follow her all over Kyiv, be a human ATM and then abandon you at the end of the night outside of her flat near Troieshchyna without so much as a thank you or polite goodbye. She seems very sweet and lovely at first, but after a drink or two she becomes bitter, contrary and clearly someone who men have wronged by how abnormally distrustful and surprisingly vitriolic she is in regards to them. She told me she recently got out of a long-term relationship where the man was cheating on her at every turn. In my opinion, she has toyed with sponsorship but it never went her way so she's striking back. I've never encountered such a bitter woman before. She seems to really know what she's doing from the onset and no doubt has played more than one man in her past. For example, she has an iPhone 6 Plus (which costs nearly 2000 USD in Kyiv) but cannot afford credits on her phone. Her photos are real and she looks less pretty in person, but still attractive.

You have been warned, gentleman.

[Seattle29]

Hi,

I googled your entry re. Private Tour Agency in Kiev to get a bit of info re. That agency but nothing matching the name you gave came up. I wonder if you were referring to 'Kiev Privat Guides'. This is a fantasy of mine. To get picked up at the airport by a GFE type guide and taken back to my flat for sex. However when I tried booking this agency they said they were only interested in four hour bookings for $50 an hour and that the guides were strictly for just guiding and nothing else. They did say however that they might be able to find me a girl interested in a proper matrimonal relationship and sent me a couple of stunning pics. I did not pursue this. I also note that the pics on this web site are at least five years old with the same girls. I would dearly love to get a bit more info re your experience and the web address of the agency you used to see if it is the same. I would be happy to exchange experiences. I have been going to Kiev for years and have tried all sorts although still of course looking for that perfect shag. Regards.

Website address is: www (dot) private (hyphen) tour (dot) org.

All the girls are genuine (no bait and switch) and they have a very friendly owner who speaks English, so it's easy to arrange a booking. But I just didn't like either of the 2 girls I tried.

[CleanHands]

Stevie69,

One of the best posts I've read on ISG. Informative, intelligent and shows you know the psyche of Kiev women (and I'm sure it applies to most women around the world, to different degrees. Even women in the west). I look forward to reading other reports by you, including your upcoming September trip.

Thanks,

CH

Greetings. I was there in May. Sorry for the delay in reporting. Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative ...

... Treat them well and appreciate their beauty.

Money is not a substitute for charm.

I plan to be back in September, when the market is flooded by returning students.

[Stevie69]

What type of business? Are you hiring? Temporary 1-month workers?

Stevie,

Thanks much for this wonderful report. I follow Kiev forum regularly and this report has summarized most of everything one can expect from Kiev.

I plan to visit Kiev and walk those legs filled streets. I also plan to open a small branch for my business to give me a more official reason to visit Kiev often.