Kyiv

[CleanHands]

Stevie69,

One of the best posts I've read on ISG. Informative, intelligent and shows you know the psyche of Kiev women (and I'm sure it applies to most women around the world, to different degrees. Even women in the west). I look forward to reading other reports by you, including your upcoming September trip.

Thanks,

CH

Greetings. I was there in May. Sorry for the delay in reporting. Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative ...

... Treat them well and appreciate their beauty.

Money is not a substitute for charm.

I plan to be back in September, when the market is flooded by returning students.

[Stevie69]

What type of business? Are you hiring? Temporary 1-month workers?

Stevie,

Thanks much for this wonderful report. I follow Kiev forum regularly and this report has summarized most of everything one can expect from Kiev.

I plan to visit Kiev and walk those legs filled streets. I also plan to open a small branch for my business to give me a more official reason to visit Kiev often.

[Stevie69]

In Kiev is the "walk of pride". The problem is the security guys want their cut.

About hotel lobby girls, I have not tried them in many years. I assume the prices are not reasonable.

Stevie69,

Thanks a lot for a great report.

Regarding hotels vs apartments, has anyone who has stayed in a hotel had any trouble when bringing a girl up to his room? Is there a big "walk of shame" problem or any hassles with desk staff / security? Also, is there any talent in various hotel bars or lobbies? Obviously they would be way overpriced, but still nice to know they are there. And if it's late and they aren't having any luck they might be ready to be reasonable? Just curious.

[Stevie69]

No Russian. Just perseverance and experience.

Stevie69,

Thanks very much for the extensive and informative report.

Do you speak Russian at all or did you accomplish all this without speaking Russian?

[Stevie69]

Thanks. I have had a few threesomes, but not enough. During them, there are moments, when you definitely think that moment is the best of your entire life. Just make sure you have taken for a ride at least one of the girls already, and had a great experience.

I just take a couple of thousand in cash. Of course, one has to take precautions. For instance, I "sanitize" my apartment before receiving any girls. Other than what I am planning to pay her, the money is well hidden and inaccessible.

Maybe the ATMs work. I think they do. I used them once. But they screw you with service and exchange charges. I hate giving money to banks. I would rather give it to the girls.

Great report Stevie!

I'm going to Kiev on July 19th - 29th and hope to have at least half of a great experience in which you described. When I'm done I'll post a report of my own as well.

Love the detailed report and very surprised you got to meet a couple women together in one setting. I'm 25 and confident I can do the same but haven't attempted that yet.

Question:

Is it better to take money with you or can I just pull from the ATM when I get there. Reading the forum it seems like a lot of members are taking money with them and exchanging it when they get there. Or are they just upset about the international transaction fee?

[Vian07]

Stevie,

Thanks much for this wonderful report. I follow Kiev forum regularly and this report has summarized most of everything one can expect from Kiev.

I plan to visit Kiev and walk those legs filled streets. I also plan to open a small branch for my business to give me a more official reason to visit Kiev often.

Greetings. I was there in May. Sorry for the delay in reporting. Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative.

SOME ROOKIE MISTAKES.

....

Money is not a substitute for charm.

I plan to be back in September, when the market is flooded by returning students.

[Gopnik]

Iceberg.

Keep It Simple and Stupid.

I NEVER would spend a 280 $ perfume to a woman I NEVER met. I should say particularly to a russian or ukrainian woman / girl (my mongering target).

The best relations (personnal and sexual) I had with russian / ukrainian women were ALWAYS the cheapest. With "normal" "average" women.

By bringing such a "gift" to a target you do not know there is a 99 % probability you will fall in the category "weak" which is very negative for you.

Never spoil the opportunity to pay spontaneously for a cheap "gift" whatever it is (coffee, tea (chai), necklace.

I remember the tremendous effects on an ukrainian guide in Kiev of a "Merci" chocolate box (german) (3 euros) and of a crystal necklace (4,30 euros) in Karlstein (Czech republik) on a russian tourist!

Very well said. I couldn't agree more!

[Limarian]

Hi,

I googled your entry re. Private Tour Agency in Kiev to get a bit of info re. That agency but nothing matching the name you gave came up. I wonder if you were referring to 'Kiev Privat Guides'. This is a fantasy of mine. To get picked up at the airport by a GFE type guide and taken back to my flat for sex. However when I tried booking this agency they said they were only interested in four hour bookings for $50 an hour and that the guides were strictly for just guiding and nothing else. They did say however that they might be able to find me a girl interested in a proper matrimonal relationship and sent me a couple of stunning pics. I did not pursue this. I also note that the pics on this web site are at least five years old with the same girls. I would dearly love to get a bit more info re your experience and the web address of the agency you used to see if it is the same. I would be happy to exchange experiences. I have been going to Kiev for years and have tried all sorts although still of course looking for that perfect shag. Regards.

I used an agency called "Private Tour Agency" last month, you can find it on Google. I tried out 2 girls, both outcalls to my hotel. They only have 5 girls and all are real, no bait and switch.

First girl was stunningly beautiful, but very reluctant to offer a GFE experience, didn't want to kiss, very robotic, quite boring really. I gave feedback to the agency and they apologized, giving a discount on my next booking.

The next girl was a complete mess. Her face was pretty as per her photos online, but her body was covered in scars from self-harming, and suspicious track marks (drug abuse?) I was scared to send her back in case the agency had mafia links, so I kept her for 2 hours. Was not attracted to her at all though. She offered anal luckily which was a saving grace, it made the experience slightly less bad.

I wouldn't use this agency again.

[Slavicgourmet]

Iceberg.

Keep It Simple and Stupid.

I never would spend a 280 $ perfume to a woman I never met. I should say particularly to a Russian or Ukrainian woman / girl (my mongering target).

The best relations (personal and sexual) I had with Russian / Ukrainian women were always the cheapest. With "normal" "average" women.

By bringing such a "gift" to a target you do not know there is a 99 % probability you will fall in the category "weak" which is very negative for you.

Never spoil the opportunity to pay spontaneously for a cheap "gift" whatever it is (coffee, tea (chai), necklace.

I remember the tremendous effects on an Ukrainian guide in Kiev of a "Merci" chocolate box (German) (3 euros) and of a crystal necklace (4,30 euros) in Karlstein (Czech republik) on a Russian tourist!

[Iceberg27]

Thanks for all contributions. I don't know but I am more in buying side because perfume in Paris is really cheaper than in any other countries. And it is not available in Ukraine so it is normal for a friend to ask for. but the bad possibilities are:

1) she takes the perfume and we have a nice dinner and she goes home. Plus wasted 50 for dinner.

2) when I had arrived in Odessa she has a sick mom or a bad accident and we never meet with her.

3) she takes the perfume we had dinner. Came to my apartment and only gives some hugs and go home after 30 minutes.

Good possibility.

She takes the perfume had a nice dinner with lots of hugs dfks during dinner and she comed to my apt after dinner and we have a good sex till morning. But the question is does it worth to pay about 320 usd cost (perfume and dinner) while it is available for 30 usd a 20 university student?

To hide the perfume in apartment will mean that you tell her she is a wg have sex with me and let me give you perfume. Insulting.

I don't know very hard situation.

[EasyEase]

Iceberg,

Many of Ukrainian ladies are poor, but they do know the difference between a fake and not a fake Louis Vuitton or perfume. If you say she is very attractive, buy her the perfume, use some.

Charm and I am sure you will have a great time. Option no 3 really not going to bring you nowhere as she will think you are a cheap guy to forget what she wanted.

My 2 c.

Easyease

OK here is the case;.

I have met a normal woman through a website from Ukraine. I added her to my viber. And after a few messages she didn't reply my messages. Tonight I send her a message that I will come to Ukraine next week and she was quite interested and apologised many times that she didn't respond my earlier messages.

She asked me to buy a 280 USD perfume from Paris beucase hers is over and she can't find this in Ukraine. She is claiming that she is very shy about it and will definitely pay for it.

I think I have three options;.

1) To buy the perfume and leave it in my apartment and if she comes to my apartment than give her and maybe I get some full intercourse or at least some hugs and kisses.

2) To buy a 50 USD perfume and apologise from her because I couldn't find the one she wants..

[JGomez90]

Iceberg,

Option #4 - Buy a fake / duplicate.

Don't worry she's probably never smelled it. LOL.

[Sorbonne]

OK here is the case;.

I have met a normal woman through a website from Ukraine. I added her to my viber. And after a few messages she didn't reply my messages. Tonight I send her a message that I will come to Ukraine next week and she was quite interested and apologised many times that she didn't respond my earlier messages.

She asked me to buy a 280 USD perfume from Paris beucase hers is over and she can't find this in Ukraine. She is claiming that she is very shy about it and will definitely pay for it.

I think I have three options;.

1) To buy the perfume and leave it in my apartment and if she comes to my apartment than give her and maybe I get some full intercourse or at least some hugs and kisses.

2) To buy a 50 USD perfume and apologise from her because I couldn't find the one she wants.

3) Not to buy it. And again meet with her and apologise some more.

I don't know. She is very attractive.

Note: All my budget for my travel is around 2000 USD. If she sleep with me I wouldn't care to pay the overrate.

Regards.

I just think it is completely wrong to spend such money for someone, especially in Ukraine, whom you have never met in person.

It is also wrong of her to ask you, whom she has never met in person, to bring such thing.

Besides, as soon as she learned that you were coming to Kiev, she answered to your message and asked you such. It sounds like the perfume is more important to her that you are.

Meet her in person, and if you still like her, offer her to bring the perfume in the next trip. She should be able to live without it until you return.

But if you don't bring it this time, my guess is that she wouldn't meet you.

[FiddyCent]

Well, only you can really decide as only you understand the dynamic between you and her. Meaning, if you can trust her or whatnot. In my opinion, I would tell her I couldn't find the perfume but if you meet her and like then you'll gladly take her to a perfume shop and buy her what she wants. That way you get to meet her and see if she's worth it. That's what I would do. Because if you meet her and she's not worth it, you're out 280 USD but smelling pretty.

That is good advice Gopnik, considering that is a fair chunk out of Iceberg's budget.

On the flip side, if you are able to deliver such a nice present, she may look at you as the Man and a good provider. Give it to her as a present after the meeting. Normal girls never ask for anything up front, as a condition for a meeting. That is a dead giveaway for her being a pro or a user. There was once a girl that asked me for money to be able to travel to and meet me. That may have been legitimate, but I never went through with her request. That type of request to me was more of a shady move than a request for perfume. At least, you can keep the perfume if the girl does not deliver with a promise of sex. You can always give the perfume to another girl that you meet in the future. Expensive stuff like that will earn you brownie points. She did say that she could not get it in Kiev, so taking her to the perfume store might not fulfill her wants or needs. You did say the girl is quite the beauty. Ask yourself the tough question. Are you confident in yourself to be able to land this girl without the perfume? If the answer is NO, then buy the perfume. 285/2000 = 14.25% of your budget. I hope the girls are still familiar with the barter system. .

FiddyCent.

[DruidFire]

Iceberg27,

I'd have to so no go, unless the store will let you return the perfume if it doesn't pan out. Otherwise you're stuck with a pretty expensive paper weight. If you are really hot for this particular girl and no other, you can viber her (once you're in Kiev) that you forgot / couldn't find / bought but forgot to pack, the perfume. However, you did bring her another "gift" if she'd like to come by your place and pick it up. If she's a semi-pro she'll understand and play along. If she's a user then better to know it before spending too much money.