Kyiv

[Oppis]

Hi there!

Firstly, I am not native English speaker. Sorry about my poor English grammar. But let's try anyway.

My first place to be was Relax. http://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/en/.

It was quite easy to find. I walked there, and hostess spoke quite a good English. We agreed what kind of massage I wanted, how long and do I want some extras. Etc.

1 HR, 2 girls, and shower. (1250 uah). Then all those available girls came to room and I picked 2 nice ones. Nice brunette 7, and tall blond 8. They both spoke little English. You can watch masseurs from internet before visit, but I didn't saw any of those website girls at that place. What a surprise.

First I went to shower with blond girl, it was nice wash. After that girls massaged me, kissed allover, and gave good eye contact with smile. In the end I was very happy. Apartment was clean and comfy. Quite a stylish place I must say.

Very good value for money!

Next day went to Dolly http://salondolly.com/en/.

This place was hard to find. I needed to call Dolly and ask direction. It is located next to Irish pub. There is one door and they gave a pin code. First floor and that's it.

Place could be great, but it's not. It was lame and cheap, compared to relax. Too bright and small. Ceiling was great.

Hostess asked what I want, then girls came in front of me. Quality was 5-6. Internet pictures are real. At least Yana. http://salondolly.com/en/gallery/item/yana.html.

She is looking so much better at those pics We went to room with her. She started to prepare convertible sofa ready to massage. She kept sighing mean while preparation and during massage. No kisses, No eye contact, no smile. Just mechanical job. She even leave room for a while during massage. That's it. Poor attitude, no English. Total waste of money. (500 uah).

So, go to relax, it's way better place! Stay away from Dolly.

About call girls, All pictures were fake at http://sexbombua.com/ and http://escort-models.com/en-index.html... I ordered blond, I get brunette. I ordered another blond, tall one. I get short black head. I even tried http://www.ukrgo.com/ from that place I ordered one brunette. I get 4 girls to room to choose from. No one of these girls were like a girl I liked to order. So fake fake fake.

All those girls were 5-7 quality. So no stunners nor angels. Quite a normal girls. Maybe I should go to Rio or Skybar during my next visit, if I want to see first what I am going to buy. Over and out. Stop.

[LilJoey]

Any thoughts from Kiev regulars on my question about whether Jan 4-7 will be dead (and have short supply of girls) because of the holidays?

You already obviously know that the dates of your proposed trip Jan 4-7 coincide with the celebration of a holiday. So why are you asking a question for a second time whose answer is also obviously known to you. I must assume that since you claim to have visited Kiev numerous times before, that you must have been able to know that the majority of those participating in religion are Christians associated with the Eastern Orthodox Church. The date of the Christmas holiday for the Eastern Orthodox rite, is available for anyone to easily look up on the Internet. So I presume you are aware that the holiday is celebrated in Kiev on January 7. So therefore you already obviously know that there is a likelihood that such a holiday as Christmas, which typically involves families celebrating together, would be a time that young girls involved in the sex trade would likely take time off to be with their families. In such circumstances any seasoned monger knows that, given a choice, a sex mongering trip should be planned for the most optimal time for the intended activity, and not planned for the least optimal time. And the period of celebration of a holiday like Christmas clearly falls into that category of times that are the least optimal for sex mongering. So what are you really asking?

If you have no choice regarding your travel dates, then make the best of it, and try to get some good sex experiences during this period, as clearly not every girl goes home to her family, and probably the sex trade continues, even if at a lower pace. And be sure to post on this board your observations about the actuality of trying to monger during the Christmas holiday period leading up to Jan 7 in Kiev, and what limitations you noted. Such information will be useful for others on this forum, who have been avoiding mongering trips to Kiev during the holiday period. I remember reading reports of those mongers who ventured to the FKK clubs in Germany during the holiday period of Christmas-New Years with interest. So too here. Needless to say, if you do have a choice of when to travel, then choose a time period more optimal for sex mongering.

[Rutdude]

Any thoughts from Kiev regulars on my question about whether Jan 4-7 will be dead (and have short supply of girls) because of the holidays?

[Sorbonne]

All I can say is I recall exactly one night in Kiev in my life, which was not crowned by having sex with a pretty girl. Mamba is worth the effort. It can be frustrating, but of course there are a hundred gals or more working mamba.

I met a very pretty semi pro on mamba who I take whenever business takes me to this beautiful city. If you are short on patience, time or self confidence, go to Rio or Dolls strips clubs. As far as I am concerned, all girls are for take out. It has been correctly stated on this forum that strippers can be stuck up and unattractive, but I found the pretty ones can be found and can be had. To me, the struggle to have a pretty girl is part of the challenge and the the fun. I avoid strip clubs. If you tick differently and appreciate quick and sure results, resort to this venue.

This forum is still cool, but some of the entrants show a lack of understanding of the fundamental mechanics of the trade. Like the fellow who asks whether Russia or Ukraine are to be preferred. The answer for the very expensive high end may be Night Flight in Moscow (a city in Russia.), but in general GDP per person evaluated at market rates is a sure guide to where mongering is most likely to be successful. Ukraine is much poorer than Russia and therefor the better place to monger. German FKK I hardly know at all, but from the little I know, for stunners it is priced like Moscow.

Then there is the fellow who asks what a semi pro is. A semi pro usually leads a double life, making an extra penny by the side. Over the months or years she may quit offering herself (not the looks to make money or to have enjoyable experiences, a new BF, a full time sponsor, .) or she may leave her first life and concentrate her earnings on offering herself. I have met an orgasmic gal who works in a fitness studio in her daily life. Fitness studios hire gals by looks. Their criteria are like mongers' criteria: pretty and slim and sporty and gymnast body and English skills and good life story = good. Another girl accompanied me to Turkey, a mother, a cultured person, a secretary in her first life. Any more questions? I met both on Mamba.

Enough wise guying. Hope you enjoyed the read.

Yes, I have a question.

A mother accompanied you to Turkey? I thought from my experience that a single mother is usually preoccupied with her children such that she doesn't usually go on vacation with foreigners. Did you give her some daily allowance in addtion to the free trip?

[Riina]

These days to ensure you really make the most of your time there you need to have been plenty of times before and built up contacts, or have done a massive amount of research on this forum regarding where to go and what to expect. And add in a few weeks minimum developing contacts on Mamba (most of which are likely to be bait and switch agencies).
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I would also add that it helps if you set up a VK profile. Hookers will often accept friend requests from strangers as long as the profile looks real. Students usually will not but might be open to some limited communication if you look interesting. If you make the effort, it's not so difficult to locate Kiev students that might be open to play. On Fridays and Saturdays, I would send out the simple message of "you go disco". This would give a girl a chance to look at you in real life and see if you qualify to meet for fun.

[CallSign Papa]

Kiev has changed a lot since I first visited in 2004, and mainly because now if you're a guy alone in the city I think there's an automatic "sex tourist" suspicion which means you're going to find the student market a much tougher nut to crack. And no other venue really took up the torch when the River Palace sailed into the distance. There are still great bars and clubs to hang out in but the vibe has certainly changed.

These days to ensure you really make the most of your time there you need to have been plenty of times before and built up contacts, or have done a massive amount of research on this forum regarding where to go and what to expect. And add in a few weeks minimum developing contacts on Mamba (most of which are likely to be bait and switch agencies).

But, on the plus side, Kiev offers much more than just the awesome naughtiness we all chase. It's a beautiful city, the food is fantastic, the beer is up there with the best in the world, and there's culture galore, if you don't mind freezing your nuts off going in search of it.

[SmilySmartie]

All I can say is I recall exactly one night in Kiev in my life, which was not crowned by having sex with a pretty girl. Mamba is worth the effort. It can be frustrating, but of course there are a hundred gals or more working mamba.

I met a very pretty semi pro on mamba who I take whenever business takes me to this beautiful city. If you are short on patience, time or self confidence, go to Rio or Dolls strips clubs. As far as I am concerned, all girls are for take out. It has been correctly stated on this forum that strippers can be stuck up and unattractive, but I found the pretty ones can be found and can be had. To me, the struggle to have a pretty girl is part of the challenge and the the fun. I avoid strip clubs. If you tick differently and appreciate quick and sure results, resort to this venue.

This forum is still cool, but some of the entrants show a lack of understanding of the fundamental mechanics of the trade. Like the fellow who asks whether Russia or Ukraine are to be preferred. The answer for the very expensive high end may be Night Flight in Moscow (a city in Russia.), but in general GDP per person evaluated at market rates is a sure guide to where mongering is most likely to be successful. Ukraine is much poorer than Russia and therefor the better place to monger. German FKK I hardly know at all, but from the little I know, for stunners it is priced like Moscow.

Then there is the fellow who asks what a semi pro is. A semi pro usually leads a double life, making an extra penny by the side. Over the months or years she may quit offering herself (not the looks to make money or to have enjoyable experiences, a new BF, a full time sponsor, .) or she may leave her first life and concentrate her earnings on offering herself. I have met an orgasmic gal who works in a fitness studio in her daily life. Fitness studios hire gals by looks. Their criteria are like mongers' criteria: pretty and slim and sporty and gymnast body and English skills and good life story = good. Another girl accompanied me to Turkey, a mother, a cultured person, a secretary in her first life. Any more questions? I met both on Mamba.

Enough wise guying. Hope you enjoyed the read.

[Kiev Freak]

I am thinking of visiting Kiev Jan 4-7. Are these dates going to be dead (and have short supply of girls) because of the holidays?

I used to travel quite a bit to Kiev, but I haven't been to Kiev in 2 years. In the past, I have enjoyed from mamba (hit or miss), erotic massage (reliable and decent girls, but lack of sex made it somewhat frustrating), and models-com (again, hit or miss. Actual girls almost never same as photos).

It always surprised me that Kiev did not have bars / club like Dubai where working girls are everywhere. Given how many beautiful girls there are in Kiev, you should be able to just pay and entrance fee, walk in, talk the deal directly with the girl, and take her back to your hotel for a night of fun. Or perhaps these clubs exist but I never tried them. I do not speak Russian except for a few words here and there.

I exactly agreed you, Kiev is not easy destination for mongering.

[Rutdude]

I am thinking of visiting Kiev Jan 4-7. Are these dates going to be dead (and have short supply of girls) because of the holidays?

I used to travel quite a bit to Kiev, but I haven't been to Kiev in 2 years. In the past, I have enjoyed from mamba (hit or miss), erotic massage (reliable and decent girls, but lack of sex made it somewhat frustrating), and models-com (again, hit or miss. Actual girls almost never same as photos).

It always surprised me that Kiev did not have bars / club like Dubai where working girls are everywhere. Given how many beautiful girls there are in Kiev, you should be able to just pay and entrance fee, walk in, talk the deal directly with the girl, and take her back to your hotel for a night of fun. Or perhaps these clubs exist but I never tried them. I do not speak Russian except for a few words here and there.

[Jojosun]

Not yet.

I've been on mamba everyday in the last 4 weeks.

Which security software do you use? I use Norton.

I use a combo of phones, tablet. And a desk top computer. Haven't got a clue to the name.

In few hours time I will be on a long flight to LA. Tomorrow night should be a lot of fun at Killing Kittens Party, W Pico Boulevard.

For sure in the next few months I won't have Kiev or UA on my my mind. Fun times at KK Parties LA would be complete if my Donetsk girl was there.

Any Kiev old hands with knowledge of swingers parties in Kiev or close?

[Sorbonne]

Logged in to mamba ru 2 days ago for the first time in months and my device got hit a by adware.

Not being a very techie monger it took me ages to locate the virus and remove it.

I suggest you proceed with caution when you click on UA and Russian sites as the risk of viruses are higher these days with the UA & Russian mafia out to make an even quicker buck.

Anyone here got similar experiences when logging in to mamba?

Not yet.

I've been on mamba everyday in the last 4 weeks.

Which security software do you use? I use Norton.

[HendrixExp]

So with 200 $ I should hit 8 or 9 easily in the nightclub? What would be the best spots? Skybar, D'lux, Buddha still?

[Jojosun]

Logged in to mamba ru 2 days ago for the first time in months and my device got hit a by adware.

Not being a very techie monger it took me ages to locate the virus and remove it.

I suggest you proceed with caution when you click on UA and Russian sites as the risk of viruses are higher these days with the UA & Russian mafia out to make an even quicker buck.

Anyone here got similar experiences when logging in to mamba?

[Iceberg27]

Is there anyone here can make a suggestion for a website that is good for meeting Ukranian women?

[Haokool]

For what I have learned via PM on this and other forums it is 50 USD to 70 USD /1 HR basic sex. Anything else is plain stupid.

https://ladies.dosug.cz/en/d/part/335

Mamba. Ru (Ukraine region) has women, it does take time to connect.

Then Russia.

http://minuet.biz/main/

As you can read. Some start at 600 RUB and that is 8. 64 USD.

http://minuet.biz/girl/12389

Hi fellows!

Can anybody tell me the updated information to get pro-s or semipro-s in the bars or nightclubs (not meaning strip clubs hereby).

What will be the best places for this kind of action?

Prices? For 200-300$ is realistic to get fare 8 or 9?

What might be the ratio of normal and money-haunting girls?

I have working out threads about this in forum, but there haven't been so much lately. And situation might change fastly in these days in Ukraine. As I have one weekend in Kiev therefor some updated preparation would save time of my precious nights there.

Jimi