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05-31-21 17:16 #21520
Posts: 7The golden days of Kyiv have gone maybe forever!
I am a regular visitor of Kyiv since 2006! I have seen my days in this beautiful city! But now sadly, everything has changed! The prices are sky rocking! The gills left to Europe and Dubai! They don't need visa as used to be! .also Ukraine removed the visa for all people from the rich gulf states! They ruined the sex industry! That, unfortunately the sad reality right now!
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05-31-21 14:53 #21519
Posts: 242Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]
As we saw with oil, which went from $160/ barrel in 2008 to $60/ barrel now (and that's not counting devaluation of the dollar over those 13 years), increasing supply can be a very powerful factor, because world demand for oil certainly hasn't decreased since 2008. Compared with oil, increased pussy supply is much easier to bring online. Currently, at most 10% of girls are semi-pros or pros. All it would take is a slight change to maybe 15% to devastate pricing power.
Also, it's just laughable these numbers we're throwing around here (2000 uah, 3000 uah) when you compare with what Bill Gates paid for 27 mostly sexless (I'm guessing) years with Melinda Gates. That's an extreme case of the general rule, which is that married guys are the ones who really overpay and distort the total pussy market.
One reason less than 10% of girls are semi-pros is that most girls don't want to risk ruining their chances for the marriage jackpot. Take away hopes of that jackpot, and semi-pro supply (especially semi-pros for long-term mistress relationships, which is much easier on girls than one-shot deals) would vastly increase. In other words, instead of blaming guys FilthyBeaver for pushing prices up, blame guys that still fall for the marriage racket.
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05-31-21 10:22 #21518
Posts: 34Why Kyiv Girls' price is increasing
Hey fellas, so I observe a kind of the holy war on the last few posts here.
I just want to share my opinion (as a guy who stays in Kyiv for many years) on why sex sells at higher prices each year here and who is the one to blame.
First of all I really think that most of you started Visiting Kyiv since 2013-2018. Those were pre and post revolution years and as some of you perfectly know from history lessons. Revolutions drop down the local currency to the bottom, cause everyone is getting rid of the assets that belong to the country on war / revolution. Ukraine had both. War and revolution. During 2014 - 2015 prices were rediculously low. Check this out. Now $1 is around 27-28 UAH. Back than I remeber exchanging $1 for 38 UAH (though few months before the rate was $1 - 8 UAH). I rented a perfect apartment in the center of Obolon for 7 k UAH which back then was 200-230 USD.
So being a foreigner on a visit to Kyiv you felt like GOD with your $$$ in the pocket.
From 2015-2016 economy started to recover and reaching its pre 2013 level. And before 2012 Ukraine and Kyiv was never that cheap. I used to visit Prague in those years and I should say it was cheaper than Kyiv by all means: food, fun, living. If you look at the real estate prices then you will see that they are just now coming to the pre 2013 lever when 1 square meter in a residential level on the outskirts of Kyiv had a price for 1000 $ min.
Another reason. Tourism. Due to war and revolution, Ukraine and Kyiv got its own piece of hype in 2013-2014 and tourism boomed, I have friends from Israel who come visit Ukraine every weekend like its Las Vegas (not in corona time of course). These guys advertise Kyiv in Tel Aviv like its the heaven in eastern Europe and more of them come to sped money here and Israel is just a part of the game. Tons of foreigner are attracted by Kyiv low prices and women each year, and these are foreigners who skyrocked the prices for escorts.
So regardless we like it or not, Kyiv sex and fun will be getting more and more expensive.
And someone said it right. Do not forget that Kyiv is one of the top tech and digital nomads places in Europe. Tons in foreign companies pay crazy salaries to tech guys here. Currently the amount of tech vacancies is 15% higher than the amount of tech job seekers.
So my advice. Come here only if you don't aim to save but want to have exclusive and still best value for money type of fun. If you want just sex regardless the GFE experience then Thai and Latin America is the way to go (or Germany clubs).
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05-31-21 09:40 #21517
Posts: 324Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
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05-30-21 20:44 #21516
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
Big businesses routinely pay key employees more than market rate to avoid even higher cost of losing / replacing them. Suppose a key employee produces $200 K value and would cost $200 K to replace, but competitors will only pay $100 K, because most of the employee's skills are company-specific and useless to competitors. Then company might raise pay to $150 K to lock the employee down with "golden handcuffs". This makes sense because there is still a savings of $50 K versus replacement cost.
Same situation can exist with girls, though usually it's long-term arrangements, not one-time situations. Some guys want a special girl, not just any girl, but what is special about her might not be valued by other guys. That is, she is worth more to him than to other guys. In this situation, it's smart to raise the bid over market to lock her down. I overpay my girl for this reason.
Milk analogy is a bad one because all milk is the same and there is plenty more milk in the supply chain. Better analogy is real-estate. People routinely bid up the prices of one-of-a-kind real-estate, like coastal real-estate, because they really want a specific property and not just any property. Do you think girls are like milk, all the same, or like real-estate, each unique? If all the same, then yes, always pay the minimum. If each girl unique, and you want one girl in particular and there is competition for that girl, offering more money is one way to win the competition. (Offering other things that girls want, such as good sex or friendly and respectful attitude, is another way to win.).
There are also guys who overpay just so they can boast how much they paid, similar to guys who know nothing about art but nevertheless pay $500 million for a Picasso just to show off. I would not worry about these big spenders ruining the pussy market. On the contrary, every time a girl gets paid $10 K for one night with an oligarch, news quickly spreads, more poor girls decide to be semi-pros, and that increased supply quickly brings prices back down.
In general, cause of high prices is not excess demand from simps and mongers throwing more and more money at girls, but rather insufficient supply. If every woman everywhere was for sale, prices would be very affordable for average girls. Obviously, this scenario is unrealistic, but there are many girls who would like to semi-pro but don't because of risks. Guys to condemn are guys responsible for those risks, and resulting reduced supply: guys who mistreat girls, PUAs who try to avoid paying, white knights who shame girls for being semi-pros or advocate for harsh laws targeting the sex market, etc. Small group of guys who overpay probably reduce prices in the long-run, because of the increased supply they create.
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05-30-21 17:40 #21515
Posts: 133Originally Posted by Sorbonne [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
Now, as in any business, you get the product that is being sold easily if you pay over it's value. Pay more than the competitors are ready to pay for it. But, if you are a businessman, you don't want to do this. You don't want to pay too much. Because you know you will need to get that product another time, and again and again. If I'm a milk drinker and I see people willingly pay 50% over the regular price in the local market for milk, I get thoughts like "Whatta fuck, are they nuts? Don't they know it will increase the cost of the milk? Why are they doing it?" Now, with girls, it's a bit different. But the baseline is there. And that is what was called in question when FilthyBeaver said that "I'll happily pay more to price people like you out. " Why would a person do that? What kind of person would increase the cost of milk just to make it more expensive for his neighbor? We are on a forum dedicated to this habit, addiction or way of life. Whatever it is. If someone's modus operandi is called in question, I would hope that instead of this kind of "cavemanish" reactions of "Ohh I do what ever I want! You suck!" there would be actual, logical arguments to support that behavior. Maybe even so good that others would start to adopt them as their own.
Kozerog, it seems that everyone here is able to afford the financial cost of traveling to another country to enjoy their prostitutes. Maybe the difference between 2000 and 3000 UAH ain't the crucial point here. It's the cost of two pizzas with cokes.
And no, I wasn't angry. I'm calling this rhetoric into question. Let's not behave like cavemen, even if we have money.
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05-30-21 13:52 #21514
Posts: 558I find one of the thrills of p4p in using my wit to get the girls of my liking at lower price.
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05-30-21 10:05 #21513
Posts: 242Originally Posted by Desin [View Original Post]
Your anger at Filthy Beaver is same as that of PUAs at mongers in general. They hate that we use our superior financial strength to get the girls we want, and invent all kinds of reasons why it's wrong to pay girls. But they show no hesitation about using their superior physical strength, or looks, or youth, or charm or anything else in their toolkit to win the competition. In their eyes, only money is bad, because money is the thing they lack.
We could do without calling each other "dolt" however.
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05-30-21 08:13 #21512
Posts: 114You guys ripping into FilthyBeaver are clueless about Kyiv. I work for an American tech company and we are literally paying over 1000 programmers at least $3000 per month. These are nerds from the age of 25-30 and with good English they can make $4000 a month without any problem. The prices have not increased because a few guys are paying too much. They have increased because 10 years ago Kyiv was poor, but now it is a booming tech city. Girls have the option to bang a guy their age that will spoil them or to bang an old foreigner for 2000 uah for one night. The choice is pretty simple for the majority of Ukrainian girls now. My last Tinder girl is two years out of university and making 30000 UAH a month with average skills in graphic design. There are a few other factors like English skills and Instagram, but just walk by all the nice restaurants here in Kyiv and they are full of young Ukrainians. Even a website like Showaround. Five years ago you could meet a beautiful girl for a walk for $5/ hour and now it is $20.
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05-29-21 12:42 #21511
Posts: 133Well, even though I liked your earlier posts FilthyBeaver, these guys have a point in what they are saying. It's something to be considered in general level. If somebody pays now and then a higher amount than usual, okay. Maybe it doesn't have consequences. But if the attitude is "Ohh fuck you guys, I have more money than you and I spent it the way I like", then it's something else. It reveals one's true personality.
The more people pay over the average price, willingly, the more the prices will increase. Taking Rome and Vietnam to this discussion as if they were valid arguments ain't nothing but a bad rhetoric and lack of real arguments to support one's standpoint.
Where I live, 200 euros was a standard and 250 for those who looked really good and knew it. These were the prices on the 'open market', where the ads were for everyone to see. For 100 euro it was possible to find a amateur student, through social media. Now, as this channel became more commonly known for people seeking services, the prices have gone up. It's 200 for the amateurs. This happened in two years (For a year I had most exquisite sex with a petite redhead, doing all kinds of fun of cnc and bondage, with 120 fee each time varying from an hour to three hours. She was found through aforementioned social media. Now that she went public, her price: 300 euros per hour. Because guys are throwing messages to her where the say this. She's had 200 euros for 15 minutes of webcam show. When it happens once, okay. But if it starts to happen regularly, she'd be a fool not to adjust her price up accordingly.
Oh. And as it is a habit in this forum, I'll too throw in my self-congratulations: she told me I was her favorite and that I can always have her for our regular fee, 120. I guess it was all those orgasms I licked her, even though she said only two people had been able to do it previously. But I don't expect to find such a rare treasure again for that price. Not in my country. (luckily, I have another gem for the same price too, but when she'll quit I'm fucked.).
For searching girls in Kiev, I've used this tactic: I mention 100 euros, but not the time. Once I'm there and get a feeling of each girl that I end up meeting, then I can suggest that if they come for a 30-60 min meeting when I ask (depending if I want one or two rounds), they'll get 50 euros each time. If someone I really like doesn't accept this offer, then I can offer more. But all I need for my vacation is one or two good girls who are willing to serve my needs when I ask. One for the day and one for the evening.
I ended up on this 100 euros because that was what was asked each time if I were the one presenting the question.
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05-29-21 06:00 #21510
Posts: 25Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver [View Original Post]
A small question please about takeout from a club. This option, if the girl agree, is to go in a restaurant, a walk. Or you also agree on sex before leaving the club?
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05-28-21 11:32 #21509
Posts: 363Great, here we go. In case English isn't your first language "people like you" means ignorant morons who want to complain about prices other people pay because it's more than they paid recently or in the past. Back in the Vietnam era you could get a girl in Thailand for $5, why not whine about that? Ancient Romans paid even less and is even less relevant to the discussion.
What someone pays for a service that we're all here to discuss is nobodys business, the whiners need to be thankful people are sharing numbers for edification and education. If you don't like it shut up and move on, you're not going to change my behavior anymore than I'm going to change yours.
Fuckin dolt.
Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]
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05-28-21 08:20 #21508
Posts: 324Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver [View Original Post]
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05-28-21 02:54 #21507
Posts: 21111
Originally Posted by VinDici [View Original Post]
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05-27-21 19:34 #21506
Posts: 114Originally Posted by Argo1990 [View Original Post]