Kyiv

[SwissAmerican]

LJ:

Thanks for your detailed and well thought response.

Yes I would concede some of these Kiev vs FKK (or similar) comparisons to begin with are inappropriate- akin to apple and oranges. Just because both have juice (pus.) does not make them to be the same.

Nonetheless one does expect things to be much cheaper in Ukraine as compared to Germany- standard and cost of living, FSU, etc. Is it right expect that- we can debate that. But unless it was somewhat cheaper easier- it does not become worth a trip for some of us (at least me). I certainly would pay extra for service, reliability and flexibility rather than other way around.

But yes it maybe possible to get better hotter chicks in Kiev clubs or Mamba (never looked at that yet) , FKK standards are falling anyway.

Thanks,

Tiger.

You should come over to Geneva and check out the Ukrainian women working in the cabarets, circa 400-600 swissies (450. 650 bucks) just for the bottle of champagne (which effectively gives you the "right" to talk with them) and about the same for 1 hour of action with them (rules may vary by Swiss canton, but in Geneva there is an exit bar fee which is the same price as the champagne and must paid to take the girl out, on top of the 1 hour that goes to her).

Depending on the establishment, quality can be very good; certainly beats German, Austrian and Swiss FKKs!

[Global Surfer]

Ukraine First centre of civilization in Europe.

Definitely more expansive than Thailand.

Number of possibilities, clubs, bars and working girls no way near Thailand.

Mongering is restricted to a few clubs and web sites.

As a tourist expect to pay USD 100 at the minimum. Thailand you pay average USD 30.

Ukraine is bitterly cold on winter (-20C) where is Thailand is tropical (30C) year round.

Ideally visit Thailand in winter and Ukraine in summer.

It also depends upon your location. For me Kiev is 2. 5 hour flight costing USD100 but Thailand is 15 hour flight cost USD900.

If you follow common sense rules both places are reasonably save.

(Scams, mugging and fights happen even in Central London and New York)

People warm and cold (good or bad) depends upon individual and the chemistry between you and them.

Ukraine or Thailand or anywhere else in the world GFE from girls is 'acting'. Anything more than that is mostly likely your delusion or in rare case an exception to the rule.

[SBTiger]

LJ:

Thanks for your detailed and well thought response.

Yes I would concede some of these Kiev vs FKK (or similar) comparisons to begin with are inappropriate- akin to apple and oranges. Just because both have juice (pus.) does not make them to be the same.

Nonetheless one does expect things to be much cheaper in Ukraine as compared to Germany- standard and cost of living, FSU, etc. Is it right expect that- we can debate that. But unless it was somewhat cheaper easier- it does not become worth a trip for some of us (at least me). I certainly would pay extra for service, reliability and flexibility rather than other way around.

But yes it maybe possible to get better hotter chicks in Kiev clubs or Mamba (never looked at that yet) , FKK standards are falling anyway.

Thanks,

Tiger.

Hind & Tiger,

Maybe the fault is mine for not writing more for clarification. But you've both reached incorrect conclusions and to the extent it was based on what I recently wrote, I feel a duty to clarify my opinion for you.

It is the primary recommendation from a majority of experienced Kiev mongers, that using mamba. Ru is the single best way of meeting beautiful p4p girls in Kiev who are asking low rates of below $100 / hr. How could you have missed that point if you have read the thread adequately.

And Tiger, I posted an analysis of the comparison of FKK's versus Kiev in the past, several times. And I recommend those posts to you for reading. Plainly put, the FKK is more expensive option than Kiev. You have to look at the per hour net cost, and do a comparison. Basically, in a Frankfurt FKK with the entrance fee included, if you do three hours of sex, your total cost would be 375 euro, and your net hourly cost would be 125 euro / hour, which is $169 / hr. In Kiev, a net cost of $100 / hour and less is routinely possible with girls from mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, and even when going with a higher priced option such as in a strip club, it is $300 for 3 hours, which is still a net cost of $100 / hr, and clearly less than the costs of 125 euro / hr at the FKK. Just comparing the two locations more accurately with regard to costs.

With regard to service level, all agree that nothing beats the FKK environment. But that doesn't end the analysis, in my view. I feel that Kiev has things to offer the mongering man that cannot be gotten in the FKK's. So as far as I'm concerned, Kiev is in some respects a superior place to monger. What I do is monger in both Kiev, as well as make stopovers at FKK's. I think both options are great.

To all the great pussy I have been enjoying here in Kiev.

Others have reached the same conclusion as you. But I disagree after personally trying and investigating both options. But to each his own. You will not suffer if you stay in FKK land, of that I am sure.

LJ

[SBTiger]

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1472241]Hahaha. That's hilarious.

Dude. Why don't you please first read my post before making assumptions.

Here from my original post.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1465386

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I found after reading so many post. Compare to South East Asia. For mongers. Ukraine, Russia, EE seems to be a tough environment for that soft touch and love. Its more business like with less emotions compared to the post one reads in Thailand thread. Where its more personal and emotions involved. Even though I read very very less scams compared to Thailand where one gets pushed and ends up dead in the end.

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Starchild:

Never heard of crimes and scams in Thailand- have visited all those areas many times, never seen anything but smiles and politeness.

Have not visited Kiev yet. So cannot comment on the crime scene here, but based on forum. Looks like lot of false Ads and that kind of stuff like (not entirely unexpected).

Tiger

[Rallim]

You are operating with an extremely tight window of time opportunity to execute a good p4p experience in Kiev. I have come to Kiev on two to three day stopover weekends and have refined for myself what should be the proper approach to p4p within those very constrained limits, and perhaps some of the principles involved can give guidance for your situation, which is even further constrained to a window of opportunity measured in hours and not even days.

LJ

LJ thanks for your detailed help, more info than I could have ever hoped for. Ill make sure to post my experiences shortly after my very brief visit to this slice of heaven.

/Rallim

[Compay]

Anyone in Kiev this week? Last minute meeting in Kiev and I extended until Monday. A friend of mine works for Senator apartment and they opened up a new 5 Star "Hotel" near Maidan. I got an Apartment for 80 Euros / Night. 50% discount as they just opened Senator apartments Maidan. I will report if good or not. Will visit Dante, Rio, Sky, Buddah, etc. If anyone is into this, please pm me.

Just saw, that you arrive on Wednesday? Well, let's say Wednesday then.

[Compay]

Anyone in Kiev this week? Last minute meeting in Kiev and I extended until Monday. A friend of mine works for Senator apartment and they opened up a new 5 Star "Hotel" near Maidan. I got an Apartment for 80 Euros / Night. 50% discount as they just opened Senator apartments Maidan. I will report if good or not. Will visit Dante, Rio, Sky, Buddah, etc. If anyone is into this, please pm me.

Just decided to head for Kiev from tomorrow until Sunday afternoon. Senator apartment could be an option, will contact them tomorrow morning. Let's grab a beer at Arena sports bar and then head to Shooters tomorrow evening. Just set up an account and waiting for my subscription to pm you.

Cheers.

[Kirch]

Anyone in Kiev this week? Last minute meeting in Kiev and I extended until Monday. A friend of mine works for Senator apartment and they opened up a new 5 Star "Hotel" near Maidan. I got an Apartment for 80 Euros / Night. 50% discount as they just opened Senator apartments Maidan. I will report if good or not. Will visit Dante, Rio, Sky, Buddah, etc. If anyone is into this, please pm me.

[LilJoey]

Note:

I should have added to the immediately prior post that walking up Bogdana Khmel'nytskogo from Khreshchatyk you will come first to the Teatral'na metro station, and the intersection with Pushkinska street, on which I believe is located the much lauded Dolly massage.

LJ

[LilJoey]

I haven't seen any handy shop at the airport, but there are many in the city center. For instance, there is.

A handy shop in the shopping center below Maidan plaza or at Khreshchatyk street. There you can get a prepaid SIM for 100 UAH, it can be also used for internet if this feature is activated (asked the guy in the shop to do it for you). The Nano-Sim for your iPhone5 might be less common, better take also an older cell phone with you. Providers are for instance "MTS" or "kyivstrat"

For the sake of having this information in one location on the thread, there are full service stores for both Kyivstar and MTC located on the street called Bogdana Khmel'nytskogo which intersects with Khreshchatyk Street in a "T" intersection just across from the large fountain in front of 25 Khreshchatyk. Proceeding from Khreshchatyk and walking up Bogdana Khmel'nytskogo, after a few steps you will find the Kyivstar store on your left, and further up the block, the MTC store on your right.

(Proceeding further up Bogdana Khmel'nytskogo to its intersection with Volodymyrs'ka street will bring you to the large and beautiful Theatre building, one of the truly beautiful buildings if Kiev. A few steps past the Theatre building, you will find Rio strip club on your right.)

[LilJoey]

I have a scheduled stop over next month end for couple of days. Your advice is much appreciated. And as always and every where, never goto the internet option. 90% of the time, we will be disappointed.

LJ-

Thanks for lot of practical information, Kiev sounds both expensive and not so easy.

Some places and establishments try to attract customers- make it easier- transparent- no (or at least less scams) , better quality, standardized prices (lower whatever). Prices like $200/$300-certainly don't seem cheap. You can get much better deals in German FKKs or BCN etc- for the same Ukrainein girls. And no hassles at all. (And you didn't mention price of drinks in all these bars?). But overall prices are determined by demand and supply. So whatever the market is bearing in Kiev. I am always willing to pay higher for better quality, and if necessary go the extra mile (literally). But all within reason.

So all the effort (and cost) of trip, unknown location, language problems will not make it worth a trip to Kiev. But if one happens to be there for business or tourism then it is another matter. So in my book Kiev will not qualify as 'destination'.

Thanks.

Tiger

Hind & Tiger,

Maybe the fault is mine for not writing more for clarification. But you've both reached incorrect conclusions and to the extent it was based on what I recently wrote, I feel a duty to clarify my opinion for you.

First, Hind, please bear in mind that my last post was in response specifically to the question posted by Rallim who has a very limited number of hours to fool around with p4p in a one night stopover. It was to him that I directed my comments that I don't think he has enough time to properly pursue the less expensive Internet options available in Kiev. I'm sure you read my emphasis on the factor of "Time" in my response to Rallim. It was only because of lack of time, that I stated that playing the Internet roulette wheel was not the best way of getting a beautiful p4p girl to be with in Kiev. This is because since you must assume that the pictures are all fake, even the ones labeled "real photo", it means that you will have to endure a process of waiting until a girl you booked from an Internet site shows up, and then getting a look at her appearance, and speaking with her briefly, and if she is not to your taste, then rejecting her and sending her away (on the basis that she was not the girl in the photo, as promised). And then you've got to go through this process again for the next girl. And you must repeat this time consuming process with girl after girl, until a good looking enough girl shows up who seems nice enough after speaking with her, and promises the service you wanted. This is a numbers game. And in order to properly play a numbers game, you need sufficient time. The more time you spend spinning the wheel, the greater the chance you have of getting what you want. When your time becomes very limited, your statistical odds of getting a pretty girl goes down. Every additional time you can spin the wheel of chance, improves your odds. So my reason for not recommending the Internet route to Rallim is that he doesn't have much time to spend doing this. So how would it be if he did one, two or three tries, and only comes up with homely or plain girls the few times he tried an Internet site in Kiev, and then his time ran out, and he got nothing in the end. So I recommended a more time efficient and certain approach for him.

But you should have been able to reach the conclusion that the converse is true too. That is to say, that when there is sufficient time, then the Internet girls can be a good approach to finding good and inexpensive p4p in Kiev. You must read the thread, and read it more carefully. It is the primary recommendation from a majority of experienced Kiev mongers, that using mamba. Ru is the single best way of meeting beautiful p4p girls in Kiev who are asking low rates of below $100 / hr. How could you have missed that point if you have read the thread adequately.

And Tiger, I posted an analysis of the comparison of FKK's versus Kiev in the past, several times. And I recommend those posts to you for reading. Plainly put, the FKK is more expensive option than Kiev. You have to look at the per hour net cost, and do a comparison. Basically, in a Frankfurt FKK with the entrance fee included, if you do three hours of sex, your total cost would be 375 euro, and your net hourly cost would be 125 euro / hour, which is $169 / hr. In Kiev, a net cost of $100 / hour and less is routinely possible with girls from mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, and even when going with a higher priced option such as in a strip club, it is $300 for 3 hours, which is still a net cost of $100 / hr, and clearly less than the costs of 125 euro / hr at the FKK. Just comparing the two locations more accurately with regard to costs.

With regard to service level, all agree that nothing beats the FKK environment. But that doesn't end the analysis, in my view. I feel that Kiev has things to offer the mongering man that cannot be gotten in the FKK's. So as far as I'm concerned, Kiev is in some respects a superior place to monger. What I do is monger in both Kiev, as well as make stopovers at FKK's. I think both options are great.

Your analysis of Kiev seems a little superficial and not based on personal experience. So perhaps you can benefit by more thorough reading of the thread. Language has not been a barrier at all, to all the great pussy I have been enjoying here in Kiev.

Others have reached the same conclusion as you. But I disagree after personally trying and investigating both options. If you read my prior reports, you will understand why. But to each his own. You will not suffer if you stay in FKK land, of that I am sure.

LJ

[Milan96]

Hey guys, quick question and your help is really appreciated.

I am going to be in Kiev for 3 weeks and how do you think I can use my Iphone 5? It is unlocked and I am interested in Life and would like to add 1000gb and some minutes. Is this possible with Prepaid? Can I do it at the airport (Borispy)

And how do you PM in this forum? I am trying to PM yummy but I do not know how.

Thanks!

I haven't seen any handy shop at the airport, but there are many in the city center. For instance, there is.

A handy shop in the shopping center below Maidan plaza or at Khreshchatyk street. There you can get a prepaid SIM for 100 UAH, it can be also used for internet if this feature is activated (asked the guy in the shop to do it for you). The Nano-Sim for your iPhone5 might be less common, better take also an older cell phone with you. Providers are for instance "MTS" or "kyivstrat".

[SBTiger]

You are operating with an extremely tight window of time opportunity to execute a good p4p experience in Kiev. I have come to Kiev on two to three day stopover weekends and have refined for myself what should be the proper approach to p4p within those very constrained limits, and perhaps some of the principles involved can give guidance for your situation, which is even further constrained to a window of opportunity measured in hours and not even days.

The second parameter that should be considered is the type of general approach to p4p involved, which can be divided into two broad categories. One: you can see the actual girls before selecting. Two: blind selection of girls using Internet websites.

The second category of "blind selection" using Internet websites, is further exacerbated in its difficulties, by the fact that all the websites, or should I say ALL the websites, are using fake pictures designed specifically to lure customers with the tried and tested unscrupulous business practice known as "bait and switch".

It is the truth of the foregoing analysis which leads me to the inescapable conclusion that for the best results, you must forgo the ultra cheap Internet options for Kiev, and focus your limited time on securing a sure thing by pursuing p4p of the first category, where you can see the actual girls before selecting. This generally is a more costly avenue, but in my opinion leads to more certain and potentially spectacular results, befitting a place like Kiev where scorchingly hot women, with perfect bodies and good looking faces are walking around all over the place. Won't you feel silly if you end up fucking an overweight, homely, piglet, that came to your apartment for the ultra cheap price of 300 UAH ($38) ,....... and focus on getting a hottie, even if it costs slightly more. Fortunately, in Kiev you can get pretty good stuff in the 800 UAH ($100) per hour range, which is still much cheaper per hour than girls of equivalent beauty would cost you elsewhere in the West.

And so I direct your attention to considering those options where you can see the girls in advance, which are:

(a) the street, including walking about outside, shopping in stores and malls etc. It is difficult to identify who might be amenable to p4p among such women, so this is not so efficient a method for a guy with such limited time, as you.

(B) girl apartments, which you can get to by asking taxi drivers downtown if they know where to find girls for sex, as the locations of many brothel type apartments are known to the drivers. Try to find a driver who speaks English a little, so he can help interpret for you, and go with you to take you into the apartment and communicate your questions with the Madame, and also for some personal security the driver's presence is good. Maybe hire him to give you a brothel or girl apartment tour, and go with you. The supply of girls in each apartment is not very large, but you only need one (or two. Hahaha) , and there may be some good ones available. The prices at such girl apartments are likely to be reasonable. This may be your best option, if your own apartment location is too far outside the downtown city area, so as to make you geographically undesirable as a client for outcall. As well, you can do this at hours of your own choosing. And therefore this meets your requirements as to the timing you referred to in your question. The other options in this category, are only open later in the evening, and I'm not certain you can take advantage of them adequately.

(C) the nightclubs, where the scene generally gets hopping later in the evening. So you will need to evaluate how well this fits with your timing. But generally there are some beautiful p4p girls to be had in the nightclubs. Their starting prices are higher, and negotiation is part of the process. If you can negotiate a really pretty girl down to around $300 for two hours ($150 / hr net rate) , then you are getting the best price at nightclubs or hangouts like D'lux or Buddha Bar. And reports of lower prices, like $200/2 hours can be found for other clubs, even some claims by members to a $100 fee. But there is sometimes difficulty in identifying which girls are p4p. So it is recommended to hang out by the bar in a dance club and watch for young girls looking at you. Try to catch their eye and hold their look with a smile. If a young girl holds your look while you smile at her, she is most likely looking for p4p company. One cannot be assured of the quantity or quality of the p4p available in any given nightclub. There are reports on the thread and you should be reading the thread.

(D) the easiest option, and one I would recommend, is the strip club that has "take out". There are a number of strip clubs which have this, but not all do. For example, the "Rhino" strip clubs do not have take out, although it has been said they have the hottest girls. I don't know that from personal experience though. The strip club with the lowest take out price remains Rio and it's sister clubs, Mandarin and Paradise, at $300/3hours (a $100 / hr net rate). Dolls was $300/2 hours last time I was there over a year ago. There is an all night take out fee of $400 at Rio (some girls have begun asking $500 if the all night begins before midnight) , while at Dolls the all night was $500. Considering the number of hours you get with the small increment in cost, it's a good option to know about. Although on this trip you will not be able to use it, since you must leave for the airport too early. If you are to try a strip club as a solution, it has a lot of girls all gathered in one place whom you can see in advance, and even have private dances with, and many of the girls are available for p4p, and a good percentage of the girls working at a strip club are generally very hot young girls with nice bodies. You would have to get in to the club at it's opening or shortly thereafter, and make a selection as soon as you see something good enough. It does take some time to sit through the line up, and then have a chat with girls of interest and proposition them if they would like to go home with you. So I cannot guarantee you a success with such limited time as you say you have. Obviously, in order to enjoy the three hours you are buying, you need to leave the club with a girl three hours in advance of when you must leave your apartment for the airport.

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Good luck with this.

LJ

LJ-

Thanks for lot of practical information, Kiev sounds both expensive and not so easy.

Some places and establishments try to attract customers- make it easier- transparent- no (or at least less scams) , better quality, standardized prices (lower whatever). Prices like $200/$300-certainly don't seem cheap. You can get much better deals in German FKKs or BCN etc- for the same Ukrainein girls - and no hassles at all. (And you didn't mention price of drinks in all these bars?). But overall prices are determined by demand and supply. So whatever the market is bearing in Kiev. I am always willing to pay higher for better quality, and if necessary go the extra mile (literally)- but all within reason.

So all the effort (and cost) of trip, unknown location, language problems will not make it worth a trip to Kiev. But if one happens to be there for business or tourism then it is another matter. So in my book Kiev will not qualify as 'destination'.

Thanks.

Tiger

[Hind31]

The first thing most experienced mongers would say to you is that is seems not worthwhile to deliberately come to Kiev for such a short mongering experience. Kiev p4p is best experience with a longer period of time at your disposal, day a week or more. I have never been able to spare a full week, and have been making do quite well with long 4 day weekends at best. So I will presume your presence in Kiev for the one night is incidental to other reasons, such as business etc. And that you didn't fly all the way to Kiev for just one night.

Although I like the strip club option myself, I don't know if it is for sure possible for you to score a hottie within the time available. I'm pretty sure the nightclub scene doesn't fit your schedule. So I'm thinking that your best bet is to start earlier in the day with a taxi driver and the girl apartments. Or go to apartments who advertise on top-modals. Com. If you want to roll the dice a few times on outcall girls from such a website, then try to order a few girls at a time for a "party" and reject those not good enough and keep the one that is good. But remember to ask her specifically any questions about her services provided before you give her money, or you may find your favorite thing on her forbidden list.

Good luck with this.

LJ

I have a scheduled stop over next month end for couple of days. Your advice is much appreciated. And as always and every where, never goto the internet option. 90% of the time, we will be disappointed.

[LilJoey]

I hate asking without actually contributing to the forum but I have found myself arriving in Kiev on the 18:th of oct at around 6 in the morning for a meeting and have to fly back around 05:00 the next day so unfortunately don't have time to hang around the nightclubs looking for action or get a feel for the place.

I usually prefer to dive into the deep end and just learn from my own mistakes and have a bit of fun with it but due to my work schedule I can't this time around so was wondering if there is anyone who can point me in the direction where to find some p4p for an early evening (18:00-21:00) Ill be staying just south of the city close to the Holosiivs'ky District.

Top modals dot com is that a trusted place to get some company from, the website seams very basic but some girls look stunning for around 300 UAH (can't be right can it)

Any help would be greatly appreciated and if you are ever in the UAE I'd be happy to return the favour.

Cheers

You are operating with an extremely tight window of time opportunity to execute a good p4p experience in Kiev. I have come to Kiev on two to three day stopover weekends and have refined for myself what should be the proper approach to p4p within those very constrained limits, and perhaps some of the principles involved can give guidance for your situation, which is even further constrained to a window of opportunity measured in hours and not even days.

The first thing most experienced mongers would say to you is that is seems not worthwhile to deliberately come to Kiev for such a short mongering experience. Kiev p4p is best experience with a longer period of time at your disposal, day a week or more. I have never been able to spare a full week, and have been making do quite well with long 4 day weekends at best. So I will presume your presence in Kiev for the one night is incidental to other reasons, such as business etc. And that you didn't fly all the way to Kiev for just one night.

The second parameter that should be considered is the type of general approach to p4p involved, which can be divided into two broad categories. One: you can see the actual girls before selecting. Two: blind selection of girls using Internet websites.

The second category of "blind selection" using Internet websites, is further exacerbated in its difficulties, by the fact that all the websites, or should I say ALL the websites, are using fake pictures designed specifically to lure customers with the tried and tested unscrupulous business practice known as "bait and switch". First lure you to contact them, and involve yourself in discussions or negotiations with them during which time all sorts of false promises are made to you, all in order so that you will place an order or make a booking with that business. You will not know what you actually purchased or ordered until it actually arrives on your doorstep. It will bear no actual relation whatsoever to the model you thought you were ordering based in what you saw in the Internet. So you will need to consider anew whether you wish to purchase or reject and return what was sent to you. And perhaps you will keep trying to order girls to come in the hopes that one will be a good one. And likely you will ultimately receive some girl that is acceptable looking. But the key element to be successful at obtaining a positive outcome when involved in such a hit or miss process is: time! You need time to be able to keep ordering and rejecting girls until a good one shows up by accidental chance. And time is a commodity that you are in short supply of, when you have only one night in Kiev, and in fact only several hours of that one night available for p4p mongering.

It is the truth of the foregoing analysis which leads me to the inescapable conclusion that for the best results, you must forgo the ultra cheap Internet options for Kiev, and focus your limited time on securing a sure thing by pursuing p4p of the first category, where you can see the actual girls before selecting. This generally is a more costly avenue, but in my opinion leads to more certain and potentially spectacular results, befitting a place like Kiev where scorchingly hot women, with perfect bodies and good looking faces are walking around all over the place. Won't you feel silly if you end up fucking an overweight, homely, piglet, that came to your apartment for the ultra cheap price of 300 UAH ($38) , as the crowning achievement of your Kiev foray? Surely you could find a dog to fuck for such prices back at your home wherever you are coming from, and you didn't need Kiev for that. Kiev is a place where you can aim much higher than that, and usually get something very much better. So unless you a a very cheap bastard, of which there are many such types who are members of this forum, who get so much more sexual excitement from the cheapness of the price, than they get from the beauty of the girl, I humbly suggest you reject such an approach, and focus on getting a hottie, even if it costs slightly more. Fortunately, in Kiev you can get pretty good stuff in the 800 UAH ($100) per hour range, which is still much cheaper per hour than girls of equivalent beauty would cost you elsewhere in the West.

And so I direct your attention to considering those options where you can see the girls in advance, which are:

(a) the street, including walking about outside, shopping in stores and malls etc. It is difficult to identify who might be amenable to p4p among such women, so this is not so efficient a method for a guy with such limited time, as you.

(B) girl apartments, which you can get to by asking taxi drivers downtown if they know where to find girls for sex, as the locations of many brothel type apartments are known to the drivers. Try to find a driver who speaks English a little, so he can help interpret for you, and go with you to take you into the apartment and communicate your questions with the Madame, and also for some personal security the driver's presence is good. Maybe hire him to give you a brothel or girl apartment tour, and go with you. The supply of girls in each apartment is not very large, but you only need one (or two. Hahaha) , and there may be some good ones available. The prices at such girl apartments are likely to be reasonable. This may be your best option, if your own apartment location is too far outside the downtown city area, so as to make you geographically undesirable as a client for outcall. As well, you can do this at hours of your own choosing. And therefore this meets your requirements as to the timing you referred to in your question. The other options in this category, are only open later in the evening, and I'm not certain you can take advantage of them adequately.

(C) the nightclubs, where the scene generally gets hopping later in the evening. So you will need to evaluate how well this fits with your timing. But generally there are some beautiful p4p girls to be had in the nightclubs. Their starting prices are higher, and negotiation is part of the process. If you can negotiate a really pretty girl down to around $300 for two hours ($150 / hr net rate) , then you are getting the best price at nightclubs or hangouts like D'lux or Buddha Bar. And reports of lower prices, like $200/2 hours can be found for other clubs, even some claims by members to a $100 fee. But there is sometimes difficulty in identifying which girls are p4p. So it is recommended to hang out by the bar in a dance club and watch for young girls looking at you. Try to catch their eye and hold their look with a smile. If a young girl holds your look while you smile at her, she is most likely looking for p4p company. One cannot be assured of the quantity or quality of the p4p available in any given nightclub. There are reports on the thread and you should be reading the thread.

(D) the easiest option, and one I would recommend, is the strip club that has "take out". There are a number of strip clubs which have this, but not all do. For example, the "Rhino" strip clubs do not have take out, although it has been said they have the hottest girls. I don't know that from personal experience though. The strip club with the lowest take out price remains Rio and it's sister clubs, Mandarin and Paradise, at $300/3hours (a $100 / hr net rate). Dolls was $300/2 hours last time I was there over a year ago. There is an all night take out fee of $400 at Rio (some girls have begun asking $500 if the all night begins before midnight) , while at Dolls the all night was $500. Considering the number of hours you get with the small increment in cost, it's a good option to know about. Although on this trip you will not be able to use it, since you must leave for the airport too early. If you are to try a strip club as a solution, it has a lot of girls all gathered in one place whom you can see in advance, and even have private dances with, and many of the girls are available for p4p, and a good percentage of the girls working at a strip club are generally very hot young girls with nice bodies. You would have to get in to the club at it's opening or shortly thereafter, and make a selection as soon as you see something good enough. It does take some time to sit through the line up, and then have a chat with girls of interest and proposition them if they would like to go home with you. So I cannot guarantee you a success with such limited time as you say you have. Obviously, in order to enjoy the three hours you are buying, you need to leave the club with a girl three hours in advance of when you must leave your apartment for the airport.

Although I like the strip club option myself, I don't know if it is for sure possible for you to score a hottie within the time available. I'm pretty sure the nightclub scene doesn't fit your schedule. So I'm thinking that your best bet is to start earlier in the day with a taxi driver and the girl apartments. Or go to apartments who advertise on top-modals. Com. If you want to roll the dice a few times on outcall girls from such a website, then try to order a few girls at a time for a "party" and reject those not good enough and keep the one that is good. But remember to ask her specifically any questions about her services provided before you give her money, or you may find your favorite thing on her forbidden list.

Good luck with this.

LJ