Kyiv

[Chill Bill]

Hello. Anyone here of this website?

http://www.phototours-ukraine.com

The allow you to come in a book a session with their models for erotic and nude photo shoots. Was wondering if anyone tried it and if they had success with it?

[LifeSavour]

I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.

Hey Irish guy. Didn't know you "cared about me ". But thanks for writing about me! Xa xa.

[Jojosun]

On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.

Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .

You have been Warned.

Jogged my memory. It was on the other side of the Dnipro River.

Will try to get the name and post it here. Why are you interested in SWS?

[Prosal]

I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February.

Just for the record, average costs in Tashkent.

* light lunch for self at a mall foodcourt : 4 €

* meeting in nice cafe for two, coffee and either salad or dessert: 6 €

* light dinner for two in mid-level restaurant with drinks (beer) : 20 €

* heavy dinner for two in upmarket restaurant with many drinks (wine plus cocktails) and additional courses: 40/50 €

* light night clubbing at one mid-level club with average volume drinks for self and occasional drinks for girls: 30 €

* heavy night clubbing at glam club with VIP table, multiple drinks for self and drinks (bottles) for girls : 120 €

* heavy night (10pm-6am) at strip bar, with multiple lapdancings / neck massages and multiple drinks for self and girls: 100 €

* quality pro Russian pussy (for all night) : $50 to $100.

It would be interesting to have the same kind of estimations for Kiev. I guess that you can multiply those costs by three. In Moscow or Piter, you definitely spend easily five times more.

As a side note, I now sometimes spend weekends in Bucarest, and at 4, 5 RON for 1 €, bar prices are a steal there. An imported beer in the most exclusive glam clubs (Bamboo, Barletto, ect) costs an average of 15 RON per bottle, a mojito an average of 22 RON.

[Prosal]

I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?

Just to bring a grain of salt to what has been said about financial "compensation". In FSU you can meet girls whose primary interest is NOT money. Girls who will like you as a person, and not because they see a financial benefice to be with you. Honest girls who prefer romantic cafes to expensive fusion-food restaurants, and enjoy more an evening at home fucking a guy they really like to be with instead of going out to a glam money-obliterating club. Not of girls are money-hungry bittches. I concur with Irish. Instinct and intuition are your best weapons. Many guys don't have those qualities though.

Just to say.

[Irish Lad]

acolonizer you are a sick fuck but i like your style.

climaxnow and irish lad, you input is very interesting. while it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?

i really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? i mean, i can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 uah. if i take a sponsorette shopping, might i expect to spend more? or is shopping typically less expensive? do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?

i am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but i am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? i know the sex is probably much better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?

i am budgeting $4, 000 usd for 2 weeks in february. i could get a lot of p4p with that. assuming i have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?

i'd love some details on how that conversation goes. .

your thoughts are encouraged.

-ypl

i am not 100% sure of the meaning of the term "sugar daddy" but i think that has more a long term and larger financial commitment than is more common here. true, there are many stories of oligarchs giving cars etc to girls after 1 meeting, but the normal financial implications of being a sponsor range from taking care of personal expenses totaling $200-$1, 000 a month, up to providing an apartment, a car and a few thousand dollars spending money per month. i know 2 girls who it turned out had the same lover. 1 girl got $3, 000 a month whereas the other got $300. the example i referred to earlier is more a casual one off arrangement where my friend implies that he will take care of the girls without calling them prostitutes. dinner, chocolates and $100 the next day is his normal mo.

it's quite difficult to answer your "how much" question as the range of possibilities is quite varied. during my 6 years here i would guess the average cost would be $100 per night. that is a weighted average based on freebies, mini sponsorships and straight out mamba. i have used standard deviation to arrive at this figure and have left out the following:- regular 3 somes. 4 somes and 5 somes where it's me and 2/3/4 girls at no cost and at the other end of the scale, holidays in thailand, where it's me and 3/4 girls at a huge cost.

on your other question, i would guess that shopping is cheaper until it becomes more expensive- girls usually expect more and more and no, i have never taken a girl shopping in advance and rarely after the fact.

the problem with "budgeting" is that your behavior will work against you. better to go with the flow. i am not suggesting you splash out on every girl you meet but girls here are cutely aware of how a man spends his money. be generous in small ways and control the situation so you don't get taken advantage of. decide the restaurant and what the girl is eating and drinking. don't be stingy or too flash. trust your gut instincts 100% and if it feels wrong it is wrong. a girl who orders "fresh" grapefruit should be thrown away. it's taking the [CodeWord140]. whereas a girl who orders "juice" is a good bet. apelcine "sock" is orange juice, apelcine 'fresh" is freshly squeezed orange juice.

to continue the theme, the difference between pros and regular girls, sponsored or otherwise is like comparing apples and oranges. each has its pros (excuse the pun) and cons. short term visitors here are a little restricted in their options unless they have the game my friend has or the organizational skills that cruiser d or hunter dave have.

[YummyPL]

AColonizer you are a sick fuck but I like your style.

Climaxnow and Irish Lad, you input is very interesting. While it sounds like the percentage of the population willing to engage in a sponsor type situation is high, what difference do you see between this and a "sugar daddy" situation?

I really like the idea of picking up "freebies" and even sponsorettes, but what do you think about overall cost? I mean, I can find a girl on mamba that will do all night for 2500 UAH. If I take a sponsorette shopping, might I expect to spend more? Or is shopping typically less expensive? Do you normally fuck a girl before shopping happens?

I am sorta kidding here, wanting to spur discussion, but I am curious on how much cash you guys might lay down in a typical week to keep your beds full of the "freebies" you pull? I know the sex is probably MUCH better than with pros, but what of the actual cost?

I am budgeting $4,000 USD for 2 weeks in February. I could get a lot of P4P with that. Assuming I have decent "game," is this enough to keep my bed full of "freebies"?

His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money.

I'd love some details on how that conversation goes. ;-)

Your thoughts are encouraged.

-YPL

[Jojosun]

I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.

On the way back from Tixi Omut Strip club (Thank you QT for the tip) I asked my young taxi driver out of curiosity if there were any prostitutes on the streets in Kiev? He drove to a Wide dark Street away from the centre, forgot the name. Looked dodgy like anywhere else in Europe or the US.

Ask a young Taxi Driver on the Night shift and he will take you there. .

You have been Warned.

Once I met an Attractive young girl whom I thought gave me a nice smile walking along Krischatick daytime, I just went up to her and we started chatting. Spoke very good English and I thought bingo.

Offered to show me how to use the Metro, went with her to shooters, Katyn monument, other place.

She really got angry when the fucking taxi driver told her in Russian that I asked him to me to Roxolana Massage later on in the night. It turned out she really wasn't a Prostitute.

Didn't drink or liked to go to clubs or come back to my room. And when she left me she turned round and said " I am not a Prostitute ". I really felt sorry for her. But I was hoping she was a Prostitute or a semi.

I posted on her here back in Nov 2009.

[AColonizer]

oooh, what a bizarre! men looking for "fun" and women looking for "husband". but a "coital meeting" is not fun, that is one of the many aspects of loneliness, through the payment of basic sex. that "fun" is not prostitution, strictly speaking. prostitution is any "body" service that a man can't get easily by any woman: anal fisting, [CodeWord140] drinking, [CodeWord123] sex, hard sado-maso, etc. : this is fun! and this is the problem with any monger: why do you pay the same price for basic sex when you could fulfill your fantasies at the same price? and therefore the sex market is inflated in this crazy way!

i sometimes like to try the opposite game, not looking for "fun", but looking for a beautiful "wife", and i usually receive the same / opposite reply "i am looking for a sponsor". this proves 99% women in kiev or in mamba sites are not actually interested in money-free relationships with a foreigner, and the reason "looking for a husband" is one of the classic ways to move to pity foreigners' heart, therefore foreigners don't ask the same sexual performances that slavic women usually make to their slavic men: anal sex, pissing, fisting and sometimes group sex.

[Climaxnow]

Also, with sponsorship being very much understood here, it's possible to offer meetings with a higher percentage of girls than you think in return for material support. A typical conversation could go like this. Man asks 'what you searching for?" Girl replies "husband, and you?". Man replies " nothing serious, just fun". Girl replies "ok. Material help included?". Now that isn't to say she sees herself as a prostitute, nor the man sees her as one. More the fact she needs to shop, you need fun. In riverpalace many years ago a girl said to me "I'm not a prostitute, I just need the money". Now that reads like a joke but actually isn't.

I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.

If you really want to understand prostitution in Kiev, read and understand the above paragraphs. The first layer of prostitution that is visible to tourists is only the tip of the iceberg. Prostitution is rampant but yet at the same time almost invisible in Kiev. Sponsorship is the core of the real action and not just simple p4p coital encounters.

[Irish Lad]

Thanks IL. I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.

Yeah. It's different here to other cities. I guess the cops would just hassle them. Odessa has a little scene going. Along Kreschatyk, close to M&S, you'll often see a few girls sitting on the benches that are open to proposition rather than outright hawking themselves.

Having said that, this being Kiev, anything can happen. I am often approached by girls offering a coffee. On one occasion I said "no thanks. I am married" and the woman said "and so, you fuck your wife, you can also fuck me".

Also, with sponsorship being very much understood here, it's possible to offer meetings with a higher percentage of girls than you think in return for material support. A typical conversation could go like this. Man asks 'what you searching for?" Girl replies "husband, and you?". Man replies " nothing serious, just fun". Girl replies "ok. Material help included?". Now that isn't to say she sees herself as a prostitute, nor the man sees her as one. More the fact she needs to shop, you need fun. In riverpalace many years ago a girl said to me "I'm not a prostitute, I just need the money". Now that reads like a joke but actually isn't.

I have a friend who visits and has the most gentle demeanor. He compliments almost every girl he meets. He has an uncanny ability to invite girls from anywhere, restaurant waitresses, shop manageresses (all beautiful) to his apartment for an evening. His approach has an inbuilt suggestion that he finds them beautiful, wants them and respects their need for money. He is in his 50s and scores with 20 year olds. They feel wanted and rewarded all at the same time. No implication of prostitution.

[YummyPL]

There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.

Thanks IL. I heard there were streetwalkers around McDonalds and Independence Square-not much more than that. I assume now that these are just normal prostitutes that just happen to be outside in these areas rather than streetwalkers that do it on a consistent basis.

[Irish Lad]

I have read this thread back to the start of 2010. I am not aware of any free site other than mamba discussed where one can find easy independent and agency P4P options and the potential for freebies. Maybe top model is OK. For me vk. Com seems to be a good hunting ground for freebies but not P4P. I am all for freebies but this is a mongering forum after all and information about how to successfully monger is what most people come here for. What the different options are that the various venues and websites provide is probably the most useful to the visiting monger.

I'd still love some more info about the streetwalker scene but have not gotten much feedback.

There is no real "streetwalker" scene in Kiev which would explain the lack of feedback.

[Irish Lad]

MTS and KyivStar are the two biggest and popular providers. No problems with an unlocked iphone.

You don't have to go to a carrier owned store to get a sim card or service. Mobile phone stores are all over the place in Kyiv. You can use the kiosk to top off your account 24/7.

I had Kievstar on my iphone, then MTC.

Life for iPhone and internet is by far the best in terms of reception and cost.

[Cruiser D]

MTS and KyivStar are the two biggest and popular providers. No problems with an unlocked iphone.

You don't have to go to a carrier owned store to get a sim card or service. Mobile phone stores are all over the place in Kyiv. You can use the kiosk to top off your account 24/7.

Can anyone suggest a pre-paid sim card provider which includes data for Kiev? What is a popular network?