Kyiv

[Jojosun]

"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.

http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/

Did you go there alone?

Not being nosy here, but why didn't you post on this place before?

I don't think this is the sort oof place to look for Pros or semi pros, is it.

[Jojosun]

My former Brazilian GF now hates me. She even left threats to my children on my voicemail, so I made a police report. Yes, Brazil is a violent country!

My former Russian GF is now one of my best buddies.

Go figure!

Tell them that your house, apartment is being reposssesed due to a foreclosure by a nasty bank and you are looking to relocate for a much cheaper life style by downsizing and renting a cheapish place in their home countries.

If you do hear from them again, then they are your true. Girlfriends.

Girlfriends In Need are Girlfriends Indeed.

[Uke Boy]

Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?

Why do you waste bandwidth with this drivel? You can send him a pm and not bother the rest of us with your inanity.

What do you want to do with LJ, kiss his ass?

[Jojosun]

"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.

http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/

Really credit goes to Prosal for this tip and link.

This is the kind of Place whih really sums up what a lot Of Ukraine should be about, not any old without a soul or national character like a lot of the fucking discos in Kiev which could be anywhere.

But I imagine to go to such a place you need to be in the company of a female or better still in a group. .

I am in the process of getting info and tips about such places in Kiev for my forthcoming mongering trip to Kiev. This time I am taking my wingwoman with me to meet up with my other wingwoman in Kiev to explore hidden gems and venues like the above in Kiev.

There is a place like that I already posted on, called Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro.

Greek, Georgian venues in EE countries with live music tend to be very good as well

Sorrybabushka in Kiev sounds. Like another Russian institution in the heart of London, Knightsbridge, called Boescht and Tears.

A great place with live music and mingling with other females, but you need to be accompanied.

http://www.borshtchntears.com/.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=borscht+and+tears+london+photos&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=you&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7c9AUMGGENGb1AWb-ICIDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=744&bih=338.

[Jojosun]

"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.

http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/

Really credit goes to Prosal for this tip and link.

This is the kind of Place whih really sums up what a lot Of Ukraine should be about, not any old without a soul or national character like a lot of the fucking discos in Kiev which could be anywhere.

But I imagine to go to such a place you need to be in the company of a female or better still in a group. .

I am in the process of getting info and tips about such places in Kiev for my forthcoming mongering trip to Kiev. This time I am taking my wingwoman with me to meet up with my other wingwoman in Kiev to explore hidden gems and venues like the above in Kiev.

There is a place like that I already posted on, called Xata Rabata on the other side of the Dnipro.

Greek, Georgian venues in EE countries with live music tend to be very good as well

Sorrybabushka in Kiev sounds. Like another Russian institution in the heart of London, Knightsbridge, called Boescht and Tears.

A great place with live music and mingling with other females, but you need to be accompanied.

http://www.borshtchntears.com/

[El Cubanito]

"Sorry Babushka", the Kiev branch of the Moscow's famous club. How no one has reported on it is astounding. I've been to Kiev only once but had a great time there. The so-called "experts" should better give more useful info instead of bragging about the 1200 dyevs they have allegedly fucked.

http://www.sorrybabushka.com.ua/

There is alot about Ukraine that is not posted here. The main thing you HAVE TO KNOW THE LANGUAGE. If you know the language and you have game, you will be treated to some of the most tender pussy on the face of the Earth. I was in dnipropetrovsk and the Apartment I rented was directly downtown. Well, there were a bunch of College girls staying next door to me. I made very little conversation with the limited Ukraine that I had and the limited English they had and this one tall Ukraine girl gave me one of the best mind blowing blow jobs that I ever had. Cost, dinner going to the clubs plus drinks, plus having game. They love it. The next day I had to leave for Kiev since I was coming back to the United States. The one that stay with me accompany me to Kiev and now I have some sweet thing waiting for me in October when I go back. I am under NO illusion here, since she is 23 and I am 51, but we had a great time. This is the sort of info that shoulb be written here, not about Rio. Rio is shooting ducks in the Barrell that is no fun. But getting to hang out with a normal girl, that is special and rewarding. It all about the game fellas, It all about the game.

[Jojosun]

The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity.

Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.

Bungie. Net : Off Topic: The Flood : London, France's sixth biggest.

www.bungie.net********posts.aspx?postID=72489759

11 posts. 8 authors. 30 May.

London, France's sixth biggest city "I came to London from Paris straight after graduating from art school, just to have a look," says Malika Favre.

The French community in London.

Paris-on-Thames.

The French influx to London.

This is how the Economist magazine called it.

I would rather have a Kiev with all the girls on Thames.

[Jojosun]

The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity.

.

Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.

Bungie. Net : Off Topic: The Flood : London, France's sixth biggest.

www.bungie.net********posts.aspx?postID=72489759

11 posts. 8 authors. 30 May.

London, France's sixth biggest city "I came to London from Paris straight after graduating from art school, just to have a look," says Malika Favre.

[Jojosun]

The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity.

.

America over France because of opprtunity and there is sweet fuck all for them to do.

In France, careers, jobs, opportinities. Excluding Russian and Ukrainian girls (Including Strippers) who chose France over America because of "Tall Olive Skinned Green eyed (colored lenses?) French Man called Prosal who lives in Paris. LOL.

Now I know why the French are Flooding to London too, because No Sex and No Opportunities In France.

[Jojosun]

Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?

LOL. Why don't you phone Rio Club?

[Jojosun]

Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks

To summarize the detailed info posted below.

35 euros for all kinds of visas.

Plus additional fees if applied through the Embassies of Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium.

The fees are for using intermediaries for applications to the Embassies above.

Franch and German Embassies partly use the services of those agents. Ie it means probably additinoal fees.

Urgent Visas 3 days before departure is 70 euros.

It takes about 10 calendar days for visas to be issued, but in some cases up to 30 days.

That said, have you got a UA girl in mind?

[Pua88]

Try :

# Porter Bars.

http://www.porter.com.ua/

# Shooters.

http://www.shooters.kiev.ua/

# Vodka Bar.

http://www.vodka-bar.com.ua/

Have a nice trip)

For absolutely no reason but up to early on a Monday I booked tickets to Kiev.

Been skimmin the forum, some good, most trash or outdated.

Is there and good looking cheap women? Where is good gatherings?

Popular english speaking clubs?

My good looking mid 20s body isn't paying 200usd.

Anyone up for a beer whos on town? Pm me

[Ronaldinjo]

Helo old man, when are you coming to Kiev?

[Jojosun]

Please let me know the cost and time to get a Shengen Visa. Thanks

All The Info you need.

There are currently 25 European countries that belong to the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.

Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.

There are three types of the Schengen visas:

. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.

. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.

. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.

Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)

For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.

Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.

Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.

A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.

SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.

HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.

Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:

. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.

. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)

Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.

Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)

Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)

(Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)

Schengen visa generally covers entry and travel in all of the countries that have signed the Schengen Agreement, although there are exceptional cases in which the visa may restrict your travel to certain Schengen countries.

There are three types of the Schengen visas:

. Airport transit visa (type 'A') : for a stopover or transfer at an airport of a Schengen State.

. Transit visa (type 'B') : for a transit through the territory of one or more Schengen States.

. Short-term visa (type 'C') : for staying in one or several Schengen States.

Schengen visa allows stays which do not exceed three months over a six-month period (90 days during 180 days)

For longer periods of time abroad, national visas (type 'D') and residence permits are required for Schengen countries.

Schengen visas can be valid for single entry or multiple entries. If you plan leaving the Schengen area during your travel, you should apply for the multiple-entry Schengen visa.

Applications for the Schengen visa must be made at the consulate of the country that is your main destination. If your main destination is unclear (you plan to visit several Schengen countries and stay approximately the same period of time in each of them) , the country you first enter is responsible for handling your visa application.

A uniform visa application form is used by all Schengen countries.

SCHENGEN VISAS DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO WORK OR TO CARRY OUT ANY OTHER ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES DURING YOUR STAY.

HOW SHOULD I APPLY FOR A SCHENGEN VISA.

Contact the respective embassy / consular section and clarify the information about:

. Specific documents to be provided for the visa type that you need.

. Procedure of submission of your visa application. Please note that embassies of Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain have introduced the new procedure for handling the visa applications through the intermediaries. Following the new procedure, you should submit your visa application with all the supporting documents to the special visa centres. The services of such visa centres are not free. The embassies of Germany and France are partly using the services of such visa centres (they are responsible for assigning the date of your interview in the Embassy)

Complete and sign your visa application form, attach your recent photograph to it. Schengen visa application forms are free and are distributed at the embassies. You may also download the application forms from the websites of the embassies or consular departments.

Present a valid passport (validity must extend until at least 3 months after the end of the planned journey)

Present documents that describe the purpose and circumstances of your visit (an official letter, a written request, etc)

Demonstrate sufficient means of subsistence for the proposed journey and for the return trip to Ukraine (for example, bank statements, proof of income or an invitation letter or sponsorship declaration from your relatives / friends in a Schengen country)

You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.

Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)

Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)

Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.

A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).

VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.

The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.

There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.

CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:

Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.

Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.

Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.

Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.

Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.

Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.

Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.

Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.

Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.

Journalists.

Pensioners.

Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.

Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.

Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.

What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?

The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.

The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.

VISA WARNING.

Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.

You may be asked for a copy of your travel itinerary with a confirmed reservation or another proof of your means of transport.

Arrange and present the medical insurance which should be valid in all countries of the European Union and for the whole duration of the stay (number of days) and the validity period of the visa (insurance must cover a minimum of € 30 000)

Pay the consular fee (handling fee for submitting visa application)

Any embassy reserves the right to request any other supporting documents.

A decision on a visa application shall be taken within 10 calendar days of the date of the receipt of the complete visa application and the supporting documents (this period may be extended up to 30 days when further scrutiny is needed).

VISA HANDLING FEE FOR UKRAINIAN CITIZENS.

The fee for processing all types of Schengen visa applications, irrespective of the number of entries, is € 35.

There is the possibility of charging an extra fee of € 70 on urgent requests (3 days before departure). This does not apply to members of official delegations, members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, cases related to humanitarian or health reasons (disabled persons and those to receive urgent medical treatment) , journalists and pensioners.

CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM THE VISA FEE:

Close relatives. Spouses, children (including adopted) , parents (including custodians) , grandparents and grandchildren, visiting citizens of Ukraine legally residing in the territory of the Member States.

Members of official delegations who, following an official invitation addressed to Ukraine, shall participate in meetings, consultations, negotiations or exchange programmes, as well as in events held in the territory of one of the Member States by intergovernmental organizations.

Members of national and regional Governments and Parliaments, Constitutional Courts and Supreme Courts, if they are not exempted from the visa requirement by the Agreement between EC and Ukraine on the facilitation of the issuance of visas.

Pupils, students, post-graduate students and accompanying teachers who undertake trips for the purposes of study or educational training.

Disabled persons and the person accompanying them, if necessary.

Persons who have presented documents proving the necessity of their travel on humanitarian grounds, including to receive urgent medical treatment and the person accompanying such person, or to attend a funeral of a close relative, or to visit a close relative seriously ill.

Participants in international sports events and persons accompanying them in a professional capacity.

Persons participating in scientific, cultural and artistic activities including university and other exchange programmes.

Participants in official exchange programmes organised by twin cities.

Journalists.

Pensioners.

Drivers conducting international cargo and passenger transportation services to the territories of the Member states in vehicles registered in Ukraine.

Members of train, refrigerator and locomotive crews in international trains travelling to the territories of the Member States.

Children under the age of 18 and dependant children under the age of 21.

What is the Schengen Information System (SIS)?

The Schengen Information System was introduced as a result of the agreements between the Schengen countries on police cooperation and assistance for purposes of prevention and search for punishable facts, and also for the purposes of preventing illegal migration from the third countries to the countries of Schengen area.

The information on every applicant for the Schengen visa is checked in the SIS database. Schengen visa may be denied if the applicant is a person for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS. In such cases, the Schengen visa can be issued only in exceptional cases.

VISA WARNING.

Embassies ask that all individuals applying for a visa give complete and correct information about themselves on a visa application form. Do not fall prey to outside parties who want to convince you that there are 'right' answers to visa applications. Though you may be reluctant to answer visa questions honestly, despite what 'consultants' may say, truth is your greatest defence. If you are caught lying on your visa application, there is a good chance that you will be refused to enter the country. Remember that the information you provide during your visa application is investigated by the embassy officials and the only right answers are the truthful ones.

[GuyThatLikesStuf]

Not true. Your assuming every hot Ukranian girl can strip. It's just not like that. For every girl that can strip, there are two that tried the job and could not do it and there are another two that would not even consider it. I've had a few stripper girlfriends and it's always the same story when you look at the over all picture of friends included.

The point was they will come to America over France because of opportunity. Not that they ALL become strippers. Some will prostitute and some will try to find a husband and some will do under the table modeling jobs. Stripping is just a very common example of how the pay the bills until the get the EAD.

And those few girls that say they do not want to come to America, it generally has to do with the fact that they are intimidated with the english language.

But your statement about strippers is totally correct. There are a lot of CIS and Latin girls in NYC that tried stripping and would rather prostitute despite the risk.