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[Jojosun]

Most girls of any age or any background love Las Vegas, it's the ultimate sparkely jewel.

The food and weather are pretty good too. No other place in the world like it, Dubai tried and failed.

Paris is nice but passe and common. Really, who hasn't been? Girls hate that.

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Couldn't agree more. Tons more fun than paris. And the Pool Parties awsome.

Vegas any day of the week for Short trips.

Not bad for Retirement either in Henderson.

[Cruiser D]

I am in Kiev right now fucking as many very attractive Ukrainian girls as I can. They are nice and tan after spending the summer on vacation. The student girls should start coming back to Kiev this week. I plan on fucking some of them too.

If the humiditiy in Kiev doesn't break within a day or two I am going to go to Odessa and fuck a bunch of Ukrainian girls in Odessa.

What are you up to?

I am not sure how we got reduced to discussing the merits of the French culture on this board but perhaps I could urge the distinquished members to consider returning to the topic of real interest which for me is Ukrainian girls. The topic of the merits French culture and Paris as a destination city interests me almost as much as discussing the merits of the infamous RIO club on this board.

Thank you in advance.

[Cruiser D]

Most girls of any age or any background love Las Vegas, it's the ultimate sparkely jewel.

The food and weather are pretty good too. No other place in the world like it, Dubai tried and failed.

Paris is nice but passe and common. Really, who hasn't been? Girls hate that.

What a disdainful and spiteful statement. The fact that I said that a girl has no materialistic expectations doesn't mean that I don't call the shots with her. I NEVER let my GFs pay for their drinks, entrance to a club, share in restaurant or whatever. It is elementary male courtesy. That said, about Las Vegas being the most desirable destination on the planet for most Russian dyevs, I won't elaborate on this nonsense BS. Obviously we don't frequent the same type of girls.

[Jojosun]

French family life is probably the best in The World .

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Wee Wee, I agree.

France has a new president who lives with a woman that he is not married to. Their relationship is described as French.

[Climaxnow]

What a disdainful and spiteful statement. The fact that I said that a girl has no materialistic expectations doesn't mean that I don't call the shots with her. I NEVER let my GFs pay for their drinks, entrance to a club, share in restaurant or whatever. It is elementary male courtesy. That said, about Las Vegas being the most desirable destination on the planet for most Russian dyevs, I won't elaborate on this nonsense BS. Obviously we don't frequent the same type of girls.

In twenty years, I never had a girlfriend ask me to bring her to a place like Vegas or a major city like Paris. For me, its all been Florida, Mexico, and Grand Canyon.

[SalbatorXXX]

Guys.

Had I known that my reference of being french would have triggered so many comments, I wouldn't have done it! I thought this forum was about exploring the best possible ways of getting laid in Kiev, not discussing the merits or flaws of the French army. I didn't respond to any of the French bashing as I really don't care about that.

So if I get back to the main subject, I didn't understand Pedro's post on being careful about what people say, especially about RIO. I've been to RIO 3 times and it has been an excellent experience each time. With LJ's post, I know 2 more strip clubs that I'll hit next week (Dolls and Mandarin).

Regarding going to strip clubs being seen as "the low hanging fruit", this is your opinion. I also like to mix it with chasing regular girls at nightclubs but there's no hierarchy for me between the 2 options. A few years back, I used to think that getting a regular girl in my bed was more heroic and then I grew up and realized that the goal was to do the sexiest possible girl (paid or not). I didn't really like the association you made between being a freebie on this forum and taking the "low hanging fruit" option. It's not because someone hasn't been writing on this forum his entire life, that he cannot score a regular girl in a disco and decide what option is good for him. We're all grown men after all.

Voilà

Sxxx

[Poker Player 2]

I am not sure how we got reduced to discussing the merits of the French culture on this board but perhaps I could urge the distinquished members to consider returning to the topic of real interest which for me is Ukrainian girls. The topic of the merits French culture and Paris as a destination city interests me almost as much as discussing the merits of the infamous RIO club on this board.

Thank you in advance.

[Prosal]

Your directly below comment show your lack of understand of females. Not all girls (or most) are gold digging wh or s but for sure they like to be taken care of.

What a disdainful and spiteful statement. The fact that I said that a girl has no materialistic expectations doesn't mean that I don't call the shots with her. I NEVER let my GFs pay for their drinks, entrance to a club, share in restaurant or whatever. It is elementary male courtesy. That said, about Las Vegas being the most desirable destination on the planet for most Russian dyevs, I won't elaborate on this nonsense BS. Obviously we don't frequent the same type of girls.

[Climaxnow]

Being french is a asset in FSU. The frenchs are viewed as the most refined men in the world, Russians are particularly fond of french culture, and for every Russian or Ukrainian girl, Paris is the most romantic city on the planet.

French family life is probably the best in the world. That being said, all the commercialization of Paris might be good for a couple of weeks to an FSU girl before it becomes nauseating.

[LilJoey]

[QUOTE=PedroToronja; 1319183]

I noticed the 3 letter word 4 times in your 7 lines' message. You don't do a great job at 'not promoting it'.

Wordcounts? That's where we've come to now? Please lighten up, just a little, Pedro. Step back from the trees (the details of word counting) , and look at the whole forest and bigger picture. Obviously, I can't and wouldn't avoid mentioning the name of the Rio club (the "three letter word" you refer to as if it were some sort of curse word) when I am in the midst of discussing all the options on Kiev. It's one of the options and many guys go there and enjoy. It comes up in the context of discussions comparing prices and comparative convenience of the various options. I'm sure you understand this. I certainly don't go out of my way to mention it more times than is called for by the context of what I'm trying to communicate. This idea of it being somehow meritorious to avoid mentioning the name of one of the major mongering establishments in Kiev strikes me as wierd. Anyway, since I know you're an intelligent guy, I know you understand what I'm saying.

Cruiser D just explained what he meant by low hanging fruit, as a polite way of saying it was a way of getting girls that was easy, lame, and for the newbie. He is, of course, quite correct. And just as obviously, I was writing for the newbie. Obviously we all know Cruiser D's opinion that there are higher levels of chasing girls than sitting in a strip club and waiting for pussy to literally fall into one's lap. So he says hit the nightclubs and do your best. And in reference to the seeking the lowest price issue he argues that the prices in the nightclubs for very hot girls are low enough to make it worth the effort of mongering there since he avers that it is possible to get p4p in the regular nightclubs for $200/2hours and lower.

If CD's observations are factual, and I have no reason to believe them not to be, I don't disagree with what he is saying one bit. It is more fun and more natural in a regular nightclub setting than in a strip club. No one has ever argued with that. The issue used to be prices of the WG's, when for a time the nightclub WG's were demanding no less than $300/2hours. In that situation, the price at Rio of $300/3hours came out lower because of the extra time. Now that the prices in the regular nightclubs are reported to be lower and back at the $200/2hours or lower range, that used to be possible at River Palace, the value shifts to the regular nightclubs, and away from the strip clubs. The issue is price and value driven.

The other factor a guy must keep in mind when mongering within a limited amount of time, is efficiency, meaning how quickly and easily can one succeed in getting a hottie to come home with him for sex in a given environment. I don't need it to be immediate. I enjoyed the chase of the girls, insofar as price negotiation made it a chase, that used to take place at the River Palace. Similarly, I'm up for the same at any regular nightclub too, even if it's a little more nebulous and drawn out. But if I find that it is not so easy to find the really hot WG's with prices of $200/2hours or below, and find further that my luck with finding semi. Pro girls in the nightclubs is being hampered because of not wearing a $7, 000 watch, or $20, 0000 watch, the suit and expensive shoes, recOmmended by Cruiser D and / or Prosal and even yourself in some posts, then my conclusions will be drawn from those experiences. As I am not after freebies on a three night visit to Kiev. I am trying to find the path to very hot P4p sex with very beautiful girls at the lowest cost possible within reason, and the most quick and efficient fashion. I will always analyze the options available in Kiev through the prism of those factors. This is because the limitation of time I must necessarily contend with on a three night visit to Kiev is a merciless master, and failure to bed a hottie each night in Kiev an ignominious failure that should have been avoided using a little smarts.

LJ

[Cruiser D]

The greatness of French culture in the past is only ecplised by the umm, less then greatness of the French since the French Revolution. Who mentioned anything about French influence on Imperial Russia? Any trace of which, including Russian nobility was wiped out by WWI, the Revolution and WWII. Do you think the vast majority of the Imperial Russian population, the serf, embraced French culture? American culture, whether good or bad has been a world wide, including France, juggernaut since WW2 embrace by all.

Russian females being most learned and intelligent? Learned by what? The Soviet and now post Soviet educational system? Bah. What I like about FSU girls is that they put their feminism first, for most that is everything to them. I'm sure in another generation or so it will be gone but I surely won't care by then.

I will bet you a fur trimmed coat that if offered a paid trip to Paris or a paid trip to Las Vegas that 80% of Russian girls of any age, say 12-80 would take the trip to Vegas. Girls of any age and any culture love Vegas. I think it is all the blinking lights. The only thing that Paris is the capital of now is France.

Your directly below comment show your lack of understand of females. Not all girls (or most) are gold digging wh or s but for sure they like to be taken care of.

Hum."High profile place where you are paying". This is very much a stereotype. FYI there is now thousands over thousands of Russian women of an above-average social and cultural level, who are successful in their job, who have the means to travel extensily (on their own account) and who have NO materialistic expectations when they have an adventure or a relationship.

About the influence of french culture in Russia, I won't elaborate as it is totally off topic, but maybe you should know that russians are definitely the most francophile people on the planet, and this since that under Peter the Great and later Catherine II and Alexandre I, French language was the language of conversation and correspondence by the nobility and aristocracy. Don't underestimate the weight of history and culture, especially when speaking of Russian dyevs, who are definitely the most learned and intelligent women on the planet, and definitely the most cultured. The stereotype of the glamurnoe kiso whose only vacation dream is to going out in glam money-obliterating clubs in Miami is simply silly. Most of the Russian women I know are eager of cultural destinations, and in this respect, in their eyes, nothing beats Paris.

[Cruiser D]

It was my polite way of saying lame. Shooting fish in a barrel. Newbie. Etc. Etc.

Thanks CD. Of course I can't speak for Lilijoey, since we are a million miles apart in our mongering hangouts and tastes. Ha, Ha, I never found "The Lowest hanging Fruit and The easiest option " to have been Rio, not at US$300 a session. I stated this in every post right from the start.

I use and used Rio as "part of a diet in combination with others in Kiev " to coin your own comments. Much in the same way I use Lap Dance clubs in London and other cities in the US and elsewhere.

BTW, This is not how I read (Pedro's post) as far as I am concerned.

[Jojosun]

Again, you're late, that "freedom fries" bullcrap is SO 2003.

Anyway, never heard of Napoleon? The French didn't overrun Europe (and carve out the second biggest overseas empire in history) by being cowards.

From "The 5 Most Statistically Full of Shit National Stereotypes:

"Ask Rudyard Kipling, who once famously said about the French: "Their business is war, and they do their business." And boy howdy, a quick glance at France's history shows business is booming:

Since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn (or as close as you can "draw" a war) 10 times. Professional boxers have been crowned world champions on shittier records than that.

And while it is true that France surrendered to Germany relatively early in WWII, that was only because they hadn't picked themselves up after WWI yet. And WWI (despite being an entire "I" lower) wasn't exactly an anemic playground chickenfight-the French suffered about 5. 7 million casualties (the war killed or wounded an incredible 37 million people worldwide).

So yes, the next time around they let the Germans take over officially, but they never actually stopped fighting: the French resistance was the most enduring symbols of Nazi opposition in Europe. The resistance was the originator of the archetypal trench coat wearing merchants of bloody death you see in countless action movies and video games today. They blew up bridges, staged daring night raids, slit German throats while generally looking fantastic (if a little ennui-stricken) while doing it.

And not a damn thing's changed since then: France is the most underestimated military force in the world, with the third highest military spending on the planet and an estimated 300 nuclear warheads at their disposal. So basically. We might want to knock off the "coward" talk now, lest we find the impeccably-styled death squads smoking their thin cigarettes on our doorstep."

Sorry Prosal about the title. Was only trying to grab your Attention, just in case you put me on an ingnore list. LOL. Been brought up to respect my Neighbours even if they are French.

With all due respect to Your Opinions, and they are just that (Opinions) , the following tells a different story.

French Military History in a Nutshell.

Gallic Wars: Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. (Acolonizer's Great Great Grandfather ). LOL.

Hundred Years War: Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare. "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchmen."

Italian Wars: Lost. France becomes the first and only country ever to lose two wars when fighting Italians.

Wars of Religion: France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

Thirty Years' War: France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution: Tied; Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

War of the Augsburg League / King William's War / French and Indian War: Lost, but claimed as a tie. Deluded Frogophiles the world over label the period as the height of French Military Power.

War of the Spanish Succession: Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

French Revolution: Won, primarily due to the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars: Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War: Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

WWI: Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like not only to sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

WWII: Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song. (Gratitiude has no equivalent word in french ).

War in Indochina: Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with Dien Bien Flu.

As for Sex. Paris is the "Most Romantic city in The World) because what else is there to do?

One gets fucked there, but can't get Laid.

[Uke Boy]

anyway, never heard of napoleon? the french didn't overrun europe (and carve out the second biggest overseas empire in history) by being cowards.

200 years ago, exactly, began napoleon's and france's low point, the invasion of russia. seems you want to overlook this event that not only destroyed the grand armee but 2 years later had russian cossacks riding triumphantly into paris.

it was not a very good idea by the french (and the germans later) to try and enter russia without visas!

french was the language of catherine's court as well as most every other as well as the universal language of diplomacy everywhere. however, today it is the language of surly waiters and hotel maid [CodeWord127].

[DoctorOral]

You call beorehand.

They have no sites.

They tell you if they are free and where to go.

Or tell your driver where to take you.

When tvhere call again and they will tell you which apartment and floor, and door code if needed.

QUOTE=Limarian; 1319289]

About Saloons or appartments. Many in Center. Better to go to Saloons well known and not into private appartment with one or 2 girls and far from Center (for safety reasons).

I post some tel numbers for some appartments and I hope the same numbers still working as they chnage tel number periodically.

-THanks for a proper post among al the irrelevant dross. Do you have the names of said salons. So I can look for web sites. How do you find these places. Just wandering about or what?