Kyiv

[IveyP]

In Mamba you will find a girl that translates into Genika (weird name) she is 18. She will fuck the shit out of you, in a good way! She is fun, happy, pretty, slim and the ass is in the menu. One hundred dollars. I say she is a 7 1/2. Many girls I met in Mamba are not showing now on my search, but I will keep looking.

Thanks Pedro. Can you provide al least Genika url I'd (a nine figures number you can find fro example here marked bold http://XXXXXX.XX/XXXXXX.phtml?oid=[strong]718938194[/strong]&hit=10&fromsearch&sp=0).

[Wildout]

Yes, I have quite a collection from Mamba myself and 'visited' with a few. I would upgrade here, but I have to provide my real name, etc. And I am a married man and quite well known in my business. Too risky.

In Mamba you will find a girl that translates into Genika (weird name) she is 18. She will fuck the shit out of you, in a good way! She is fun, happy, pretty, slim and the ass is in the menu. One hundred dollars. I say she is a 7 1/2. Many girls I met in Mamba are not showing now on my search, but I will keep looking.

Pedro,

Is her name written in Russian / Ukranian? Or is it written as you say "Genika"?

She sounds right up my alley, and I would like to test drive when I get there.

Thanks in advance for sharing.

Wild

[BlancoVikingo]

Hello guys.

I have been member of Latinamerican, Colombian and Brasil-Cupid.

Since a week I'm member on UkraineDate. Com.

On the Latinamerican sites there are of course a lot of prepagos or semi, but also goodlooking serious females. It's a mix.

On UkrianeDate. Com I get interest from girls 8-10, some of them stunning. They are mostly in their late 20th or early 30th, doesn't have children, but want to have.

I have never been on a FSU-site that where serious. They are hopeless.

On Tha Latin-Cupid sites I actually meet the girls, I get their phonenumber and can watch them on webcam. Their interest was aall from sex for money to cecoming friends, having fun and in a few cases, they really wanted marriage. A mix, which is to be expected.

But FSU. It seems hopeless.

I will go to Kiev, but getting female friends on th FSU-sites that can give me usefull info, meeting for a coffee or a beer, still seems like it never will happen. But then I must study their language etc. So aft are a years from now, maybe having been there 2-3 months totally, then I might have figured out how to meet goodlooking girls in FSU.

[Climaxnow]

The "YE" was a widely used term used in Ukraine and Russia especially before the currencies stabilized. It most often used as stand-in for dollars rather than grivnas or rubles, especially true when the exchange rate fluctuated wildly or when people did not trust the local currency. In Russian, it is written as "&1059; &1089; &1083; &1086; &1074; &1085; &1072; &1103; &1045; &1076; &1080; &1085; &1080; &1094; &1072;" (trans: Conventional Unit) so you can see where the "YE" comes from. It most often means dollars and only rarely does it mean euro. Nothing to worry about when you are quoted such prices using these terms. The use of "YE" has made a small comeback in Ukraine.

As for the change in written form, this is an issue with Jackson's software which also is a problem for those of us who can write in Russian or other non-Latin languages.

Thanks UB!

[Uke Boy]

Somebody initially quoted me on Mamba 100 why. E an hour. I asked if she meant American dollar and she said yes. I communicate everything in Russian. Does why. E really mean American dollar or was this a setup to ask for euro's?

This thread is changing my written form. What does the letter why followed by period and then the letter e stand for?

The "YE" was a widely used term used in Ukraine and Russia especially before the currencies stabilized. It most often used as stand-in for dollars rather than grivnas or rubles, especially true when the exchange rate fluctuated wildly or when people did not trust the local currency. In Russian, it is written as "Условная Единица" (trans: Conventional Unit) so you can see where the "YE" comes from. It most often means dollars and only rarely does it mean euro. Nothing to worry about when you are quoted such prices using these terms. The use of "YE" has made a small comeback in Ukraine.

As for the change in written form, this is an issue with Jackson's software which also is a problem for those of us who can write in Russian or other non-Latin languages.

[Timmy011]

Somebody initially quoted me on Mamba 100 why. E an hour. I asked if she meant American dollar and she said yes. I communicate everything in Russian. Does why. E really mean American dollar or was this a setup to ask for euro's?

This thread is changing my written form. What does the letter why followed by period and then the letter e stand for?

E means $, USA dollars, that is the answer what I get from multiple ladies who I have been contacting. But you can always ask her to confirm. In Kiev they use much more American currency then Euro. And they sometimes also use term "poltor casa", which means . Hour and half (I was having problem to understand that also, since it was sound to me more like "half and hour").

[Climaxnow]

Somebody initially quoted me on Mamba 100 why. E an hour. I asked if she meant American dollar and she said yes. I communicate everything in Russian. Does why. E really mean American dollar or was this a setup to ask for euro's?

This thread is changing my written form. What does the letter y followed by period and then the letter e stand for?

[PedroToronja]

First post here. Just got back so its going to be quick and more like bullet points.

Not a lot of women or people here in general. I guess they are all away on vacation.

D'Lux has anywhere between 5 to 20 WG none of which seemed to be worth $300. On the way back alone I talked to the cab driver named Sergey. Very useful chap. He called his "friend" who I actually saw there and she came over for $120 some of which I assume went to him. Not a bad discount for 1 little phone call in Russian. She was great for $120 but would have been lame for $300. Not sure its OK to put his number here.

The next day I called him and for $25 he drove me around for 30-40 minutes to show me the scene. The highlight was a visit to apartments where there are 3-8 women that you can take back to the hotel for $100. Most of them were 6-8 but I passed. I just didn't feel comfortable with that situation and theirs. Rather pay more to a girl that does it for her own profession or as a supplement where the girls in the apartments I was just wondering and didn't want to be part of that.

Went to the bar in the Intercontinental for a drink. 11th floor and nice view. Met the most beautiful woman I ever did. Of course a matter of personal taste. Kind of a Dana Delany 30 years ago and just prettier. Her English wasn't great or I would have married her right there. After all the church is right across the street. Ended up asking me for 500 Euro and I passed. Still thinking about her though. .

Went to Roksolana erotic massage. Spent an amazing hour with Lisa (I think.). Best $50 I ever spent.

A few more stories but not as interesting. All in all it is a place that you can get amazing women for considerable money or regular ones for cheap. To get the amazing ones on the cheap is too much work or ability to speak the language. Not a "destination" if that is all you are looking for.

Nothing beats a good FKK.

Best to all.

Thank you WTHF, that was great report! Yes, I was also taken by taxi to those famous apartments and they are pathetic, it looks too close to slave labor or trafficking, I did not like it and did not take a girl out either. The Madam is there like an angry guardian, is creepy. As for the massage, I guess it is a great JB, no? What can you do to her? I imagine she is naked? Never tried. The taxi driver would probably be glad you sent him over some more business, so if you don't mind, share his phone number here, I don't think it is frown upon. One more question, I googled it and could not find what FKK means. Can you tell me please?

I will try the 11th floor of the Intercontinental and I pray that the girl you saw will be there that night. What time was it? Day of week? If I find her, you will get a full report here.

[DoctorOral]

Sorry that I asked. Why is that important?

I would guess 20. From my point of view, it is worth tracking those 20% down and get their numbers.

If I would say 40, would that change a thing? Again, it is rare to find diamonds on the beach. You might need to do some digging!

Almost like the real life, I say!

Does anybody have a ballpark estimate of what per cent of college age prostitutes working Mamba operate independent, as opposed to an agency?

[PedroToronja]

As I told in muy first post, I've been a VIP user at Mamba for the last month prior to find this forum. Using common sense I've been researching and contacting girls who had suspiciously sexy pics and high reply rates and I have now a list of 20 or more girls who are willing to meet (discarding that ones with obvious fake pics) for a range of 600. 1000 UAH.

I will arrive to Kiev on September 6 and I will share my experience there. Till that date I would like to share and compare my "database" with whoever in the same situation or with previous experience with Mamba girls.

As long as I don't know if I can share links on posts (this is just my second one) anyone interested can PM me. I will check if links are allowed and post here some of my links to verify if someone knows something.

Yes, I have quite a collection from Mamba myself and 'visited' with a few. I would upgrade here, but I have to provide my real name, etc. And I am a married man and quite well known in my business. Too risky.

In Mamba you will find a girl that translates into Genika (weird name) she is 18. She will fuck the shit out of you, in a good way! She is fun, happy, pretty, slim and the ass is in the menu. One hundred dollars. I say she is a 7 1/2. Many girls I met in Mamba are not showing now on my search, but I will keep looking.

[PedroToronja]

No, I contacted her last time I went to Kiev, but she was living in Paris, I assume with some patron.

But as you observed earlier, she was not really worth repeating.

I just feel bad that I did not fully exploit her the way she wanted! .

Reading the comments here, I think I will give Elena's a miss this time.

I am already using mamba, LL and another site. At some point you need to focus.

Gent, what is LL?

[Climaxnow]

Does anybody have a ballpark estimate of what per cent of college age prostitutes working Mamba operate independent, as opposed to an agency?

[LilJoey]

As I told in muy first post, I've been a VIP user at Mamba for the last month prior to find this forum. Using common sense I've been researching and contacting girls who had suspiciously sexy pics and high reply rates and I have now a list of 20 or more girls who are willing to meet (discarding that ones with obvious fake pics) for a range of 600. 1000 UAH.

I will arrive to Kiev on September 6 and I will share my experience there. Till that date I would like to share and compare my "database" with whoever in the same situation or with previous experience with Mamba girls.

As long as I don't know if I can share links on posts (this is just my second one) anyone interested can PM me. I will check if links are allowed and post here some of my links to verify if someone knows something.

Dear IveyP,

It seems you are developing your own approach to using mamba. Have you gleaned any advice for this from researching prior posts on this thread, or are you basically trying to re-invent the wheel on your own. I'm curious to understand your thinking and the criteria you are using to select candidates to try meeting with. I've also been engaged in doing the same type of mamba research in preparation for my own upcoming trip to Kiev, so I thought it might be helpful to you to exchange some thoughts.

Firstly, I wanted to ask you why you felt it was worth it to be a VIP member on mamba. Ru and has it paid off as to your expectations? I have been using mamba without being a VIP user or expending any money whatsoever in the various ways possible on the mamba site, but have still gotten many responses from P4P girls or agencies. What advantages to you see to VIP membership and additional expenses paid on mamba?

Second, just to understand goals. I was looking to identify P4p girls or agencies where any meeting that might be agreed to would be understood by the parties to involve sex and the exchange of money for "sponsorship". I was also open to meetings with semi pro type girls who might want a regular restaurant or bar type 1st date to discuss things, size each other up, and decide upon the next step, namely, if to go forward with a p4p laison, or not, but I was not interested in regular dating which might take more than one date to "close", simply because I didn't have that kind of time in Kiev in a short 3 night weekend visit. So I wanted to exclude from my pool of possibles, those girls who couldn't quickly or immediately become a p4p date. I was completely uninterested in whether the pictures in the ads were fake or were true, because I don't think I could know which pictures were true, and I assume that many photos are fake. However, when I reviewed the photos of each profile, and I noticed there was one or two photos of a decidedly less attractive girl mixed in to a lot of other photos of a prettier girl, I made the assumption that the girl was using fake pics, but in order to be able to say she used true pics, she included one picture at least that was true, that you could have looked at and known from her profile. So if that one photo was not attractive to me, I did use it to eliminate that girl from consideration on these assumptions. In general, I am hopeful that the girl who will show up will be as attractive as the girl in the photo, but I am prepared for the eventuality of a fake picture, as I can simply not agree to go forward with the date based on the discrepancy of the girl's actual appearance from the pretty pictures I saw on mamba. Most of the pictures I have been seeing on mamba pay for play profiles look like they could be true more recently. I didn't see so many of the obviously too good to be true type of pictures like one sees on other websites. I have in mind that in recent months there have been protestations by some members that the mamba girls they have met have predominantly used true pics. Could it be that mamba has been cleaning up the fake profiles? It's doubtful because you still see that many of the profiles you select as possible dates a month or so before your trip will become deleted profiles before your trip, which is a sure sign of an agency or a faker. Also a number of those members were specifically looking more for regular girls, and we're trying to stay away from p4p girls, which is the exact opposite of my own goals, and of course regular girls would naturally post true pictures. So I tend to believe that the p4p girls, and certainly the agencies ate using fake pics. I've noticed exact similarities in the language of initial replies from disparate girls, indicating a common control, in other words that all were from one agency or girl apartment. Likewise I've noticed some profiles are always "online" at the same time, indicating they are probably being operated by a single agency manager or phone girl.

Currently, the "What I am Looking For" section of the girls' profiles provides for the categories of "Friendship","Relationship / Dating" and "Travel". There are no longer listings stating "offers sex for money" or "looking for fun". However, some profiles state in various other parts of the profile some indication that the girl is looking for a "sponsor" or other indication of p4p dating. But most often there is no statement indicating the girl is p4p. However, a young girl looking for men also in age ranges much older than herself, like looking for men up to age 50 pr age 60, is a sign that it is not regular dating, but rather p4p dating. I don't respond to profiles where the maximum age the girl in her early 20's is looking for is a man age 35, and she has no other indicator that she might be p4p. However, if she says she is looking for a man up to age 40, I would respond. My reason is that a regular girl looking for regular dating, who is in her 20's, and says she would date a guy up to age 35, probably means that, and my age is too far a stretch above that. Whereas, if she says she is looking for a man up to age 40, I would presume she could stretch that to a guy age 44, and she may be a semi pro worth dating.

I'm a bit curious about the criteria you listed you were using. Could you explain your thinking more? You wrote that you were looking for profiles with "suspiciously sexy pictures" and "high reply rates" with prices between 600 UAH to 1000 UAH, and that you were discarding "obviously fake pics". Now I think we all understand that "high reply rates" is an indicator that it is a p4p escort agency and not a regular girl. So from this I understand that you were looking for a criteria to identify the agencies and girl apartments providing p4p at a reasonably low price in Kiev with ads on mamba. What I'm not clear on is the meaning of "suspiciously sexy pictures" and what it indicates to you, and how it differs from "obviously fake pics"? Could you explain more?

LJ

[Gentleman Travel]

Still meeting a gem or two from them but my action there is not like it was a few years ago when if there was a hot girl on them and from Kiev I had dated her. I tend to pull most of my dates off of Mamba now with the occasional public pick up.

Do you think Valeria is still around? .

No, I contacted her last time I went to Kiev, but she was living in Paris, I assume with some patron.

But as you observed earlier, she was not really worth repeating.

I just feel bad that I did not fully exploit her the way she wanted! .

Reading the comments here, I think I will give Elena's a miss this time.

I am already using mamba, LL and another site. At some point you need to focus.

[IveyP]

As I told in muy first post, I've been a VIP user at Mamba for the last month prior to find this forum. Using common sense I've been researching and contacting girls who had suspiciously sexy pics and high reply rates and I have now a list of 20 or more girls who are willing to meet (discarding that ones with obvious fake pics) for a range of 600. 1000 UAH.

I will arrive to Kiev on September 6 and I will share my experience there. Till that date I would like to share and compare my "database" with whoever in the same situation or with previous experience with Mamba girls.

As long as I don't know if I can share links on posts (this is just my second one) anyone interested can PM me. I will check if links are allowed and post here some of my links to verify if someone knows something.