Kyiv

[Cruiser D]

Every girl who's name ends with an 'A' at Rio is a 100% working girl. It's a fact!

Hey,

Do you know the name of the working girls at Rio?

Dellam

[Cruiser D]

You guys are nuts. Anyone who partakes in our 'hobby' and / or engages in a lot of casual sex and doesn't use a condom is an idiot.

It's knuckleheads like you and the girls you tap that should make condom use mandatory.

Guaranteed you both have HPV at the very least.

I don't know what kind of girls you guys are dating but condom use has never been an issue for me or the girls I am tapping.

Yep! Who am I kidding. When I like a girl and she likes me, it can only be one way.

[Uke Boy]

I only can speak from my own experience, but IMO condoms and slavic girls don't mix well. Those girls are too passionate, too emotional, too spontaneous, and they tend to follow their seething instinct without thinking twice (of course I am talking about girls who are into you, not prostitutes or sponsorettes). This is not really compatible with plastic. As is alcohol, and we all know that they drink like Cossaks.

I know there is nothing to be proud about, but I've never ever wrap it up in this part of the world. I mean never ever. I'm not joking. And as far as I can remember, the only two Russian girls who asked me to do so were russians living in Paris since a long time ie who started thinking with a western state of mind.

I generally agree. Most of the time I have sex without a condom with non-p4p "normal" girls. P4p is always condom.

However, I have two main concerns. The first is not AIDS but STDs. Not that it is foolproof, but when I go down to do some DATY on a new girl, or any girl for that matter, I make sure there are no warts, undue odors, scabs, etc. Anything out of the ordinary would give me some serious concerns. If I do have doubts, and that has been a rare occurrence but it has happened, then it is time to rubber up.

The other issue that concerns me as a long time resident is that little thing that can happen 9 months later when you go without a condom. So far so good but it is a surprise that may land on my doorstep at some point down the road! Depending on situation, I do try to ask about her birth control usage but that may or may not be the truth.

[AColonizer]

And if sexual diseases are just the usual scary story for the mob?

The history is always written by winners. We never know the real history, past present future. Any information and any person could be manipulated by "those ones with power".

I remember what had happened when there were some very small outbreaks of anthrax in USA a lot of years ago. The US government threatened the German Bayer, the main manifacturer of antibiotic ciproxin, because Bayer should sell that antibiotic at a political price in order to avoid a carbuncle epidemic in USA. That was an exceeding warning. And in that time, USA chose a typical European welfare regime instead of their almighty market regime (* * * if a threat can be called "democracy" * * * ).

But the HIV epidemic should be a much more huge trouble than an outbreak of anthrax. HIV epidemic should be widespread in central Africa and in some poverty-struck countries around the world. And what do powerful governments make to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic? And what do pharmaceutical corporations make to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic? What do the winners make to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic?

HIV drugs are very expensive. No Western governments have decided to provide HIV drugs at a political price to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic. No HIV-specialized corporations have decided to sell their drugs at a political price to avoid the widespread of HIV epidemic. At the last, nobody actually minds about HIV because nobody actually makes anything to eliminate HIV at the source. Everybody has to pay prohibitive prices because HIV drugs are Western property. It would be different if HIV drugs are African property. Meanwhile HIV runs. Meanwhile buy condoms. Meanwhile pray. Meanwhile have no sex.

Therefore two questions arises:

- does HIV epidemic really exist?

- why do Western governments cure a domestic small outbreak by the denial of their capitalist system, and meanwhile they allow an abroad widespreading epidemic by the appeal to their capitalist system?

[Climaxnow]

I only can speak from my own experience, but IMO condoms and slavic girls don't mix well. Those girls are too passionate, too emotional, too spontaneous, and they tend to follow their seething instinct without thinking twice (of course I am talking about girls who are into you, not prostitutes or sponsorettes). This is not really compatible with plastic. As is alcohol, and we all know that they drink like Cossaks.

I know there is nothing to be proud about, but I've never ever wrap it up in this part of the world. I mean never ever. I'm not joking. And as far as I can remember, the only two Russian girls who asked me to do so were russians living in Paris since a long time ie who started thinking with a western state of mind.

Yep! Who am I kidding. When I like a girl and she likes me, it can only be one way.

[Delta Indigo]

I have a soon to come dilemma. Long story short, I met a girl in Kiev and did not fuck her, just not enough time. What started with some simple emails turned into something very conversational almost on a daily basis. The day of consummation is around the corner and I am scared to fuck a girl without a condom in EE. I already know whats going to happen. Somewhere around the second or third date, she will probably tell me that she doesn't like condoms and I will have to make the choice. This always happens to me. A curse I can not escape.

If I say no, it will through a wet blanket on my hot sex. Then I have to deal with " you think I'm diseased","you don't really like me","I never use those things", blah blah blah. This normally would not be a problem for me in America. I can make a judgement call as to the girl's history and almost always go bareback as soon as the topic comes up. I am a weak man when it comes to this issue and usually break quickly if the girl is hot.

If I say yes, than I have to deal with the brain damage of fucking EE girl bareback in a country with a scary rate of Aids. Yes, I am quite aware this problem lies mostly among drug users. What do you guys think? Any good dev psychology and approach on this topic?

Has this happened to you before. How long have you been with the girls before this happened? I had heard that most girls were worried about Aids enough for this not to be common. I would not be afraid if they wanted to go off of condoms after a month, but after a few days? Then I would be worried that these girls have some STDS?

About HIV, a lot of people who have it in Ukraine and Russia have it from intravenous drug use and not heterosexual sex, I am of course not saying the risk is not there but am pointing out that if you are certain the girl is not a drug abuser the risk is lower.

The risk of HIV from unprotected sex is not as high as many assume, you can refer to the Wikipedia on this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Sexual_contact.

However I have found that girls even in countries with very low HIV infection rates are adamant on condoms.

There is an easy way out of this, suggest mutual testing?

In Kiev the infection rate is much lower than the Russified East (those industrial towns are the worst).

I would be wary of ditching the condom soon, but not after a month or so, if I knew the girl was not a drug abuser. It she wants to go off condoms after a few days, then she does this with everyone.

I personally would not worry about getting HIV from unprotected oral sex, the risk is very low, but I would use condoms for vaginal or anal pentration. Say it is a good method of birth control.

Worrying about having HIV is the worst thing, I have hobbied a lot of times but always used a condom. I had two condom breaks and they caused me enough worry, even though I knew the risk was very low.

I really would not suggest ditching the condom soon to please a girl and then worrying about having HIV, the anxiety is not worth it. If you get serious you could suggest mutual testing.

[Prosal]

What do you guys think? Any good dev psychology and approach on this topic?

I only can speak from my own experience, but IMO condoms and slavic girls don't mix well. Those girls are too passionate, too emotional, too spontaneous, and they tend to follow their seething instinct without thinking twice (of course I am talking about girls who are into you, not prostitutes or sponsorettes). This is not really compatible with plastic. As is alcohol, and we all know that they drink like Cossaks.

I know there is nothing to be proud about, but I've never ever wrap it up in this part of the world. I mean never ever. I'm not joking. And as far as I can remember, the only two Russian girls who asked me to do so were russians living in Paris since a long time ie who started thinking with a western state of mind.

[Climaxnow]

I have a soon to come dilemma. Long story short, I met a girl in Kiev and did not fuck her, just not enough time. What started with some simple emails turned into something very conversational almost on a daily basis. The day of consummation is around the corner and I am scared to fuck a girl without a condom in EE. I already know whats going to happen. Somewhere around the second or third date, she will probably tell me that she doesn't like condoms and I will have to make the choice. This always happens to me. A curse I can not escape.

If I say no, it will through a wet blanket on my hot sex. Then I have to deal with " you think I'm diseased","you don't really like me","I never use those things", blah blah blah. This normally would not be a problem for me in America. I can make a judgement call as to the girl's history and almost always go bareback as soon as the topic comes up. I am a weak man when it comes to this issue and usually break quickly if the girl is hot.

If I say yes, than I have to deal with the brain damage of fucking EE girl bareback in a country with a scary rate of Aids. Yes, I am quite aware this problem lies mostly among drug users. What do you guys think? Any good dev psychology and approach on this topic?

[Climaxnow]

+1. I've took home dozens and dozens drunk FSU sluts after seriously boozy nights out, and shower has never been on the menu before sex.

This is very true! Assuming the girl is into you (not straight p4p) , you can come home from a long days work with a stinky dick and have your girl suck you on the spot without a wash. It's all based on the notion of "man is man" and "girl is girl".

Hygiene is important to EE girls but only in the sense of normal cleanliness. You obviously don't want to go take a [CodeWord140] and than go sit down at the dinner table without washing your hands. That could drive a girl to a hysterical hissy fit. Clipping you finger nails is just common sense. Deodorant is completely unnecessary with EE's assuming you shower daily. Never ever ever had a girl mention something about my pits even though sometimes I could smell myself. In a weird way, I could almost sense they were turned on by the odor. Shower before sex is something for those that have to fuck a hand full of different men on a daily basis.

As to grooming, shave your balls and they will think you are a f*t. Although a good occasional trim is nice when things get a bit too hairy.

On a final note, its really sad how this thread has been corrupted by this goof that persistently creates different usernames and passes bad intel to mislead readers. If a lurker has read this thread for the last couple of years, I truly hope you have come to understand that the straight p4p market is not worth the trip to Kiev. The value of any journey out in EE land is only for those that can cross the threshold into girlfriends.

[Dellam]

Are we reduced to this now? The best place is anywhere but the men's toilets in Arena.

Here are some tips:-

1. Guys that hunt pussy will get pussy, guys that ask stupid questions won't.

2. RIO is a waste of your time and money. We know 3 girls working there and would fuck 2 of them for free. Maybe. Had 1 back in our apartment after shooters a few times but we didn't bother."We" means myself and my girl.

3. Set your mamba profile to Kiev. Forget the "Looking for fun" profiles unless you just want an agency. Write to anyone you are interested in. Say what you are looking for. You'll get the same % success or better than the other way round. Get someone to help with your mamba profile so at least some of it is in Russian.

4. VK is another source you can use but quickly becoming swamped.

Hey,

Do you know the name of the working girls at Rio?

Dellam

[Prosal]

Regerding hygiene disagree

+1. I've took home dozens and dozens drunk FSU sluts after seriously boozy nights out, and shower has never been on the menu before sex.

[Sponsor74]

Auto, Ukrainian / Russian women appreciate a well appointed man, more so that in other countries where a more 'aloof' look may be 'cool'. First, it shows you can afford to dress well. Most men in that area can't. Most cheap tourists can't or won't. You will see that most men, although they can't afford expensive clothes, they do match the colors very well, mostly black and gray. I received an education when yet another girl told me how they recognize an American tourist: we dress 'like crap'. The extremely casual 'dress code' of most Americans is not appreciated mostly nowhere else in the world, and especially in Eastern Europe. The are not as 'liberated' as we are. The typical American obviously shows with their clothing that they don't give a shit, because mostly they don't. Shorts, mismatching polo or t shirt, sandals. Sneakers at best. That is not liked there. They are 'European', and most so than the western European which are becoming more 'Americanized', therefore more casual. We are all about practicality, we introduced the widespread use of the jeans and even sneakers to places where a more formal attire is expected. To be 'formal' we add a blazer, but still jeans and sneakers. That does not bode well with their culture. Again, pay especial attention to clean, freshly buffed leather shoes and make sure your nails are cut short. If you are amiable to it, have them manicured: they definitely appreciate that. I had never done that in my life and it was a 23 years old Ukrainian beauty who outright 'told me' to do it.

They are not rich, but they do pay a lot of attention to hygiene. Every girl will always shower before and after sex with you, in your own room / apartment. They expect you to do the same, so just in case, hide all your valuables because you will disappear into the bathroom, and it is awkward to start collecting your money, etc. In front of her when leaving the bedroom.

If you use toothpicks, use them in the bathroom, not in the restaurant table as unfortunately many of our fellow Americans do. That is a no-no most anywhere else in the world.

Buy them roses, always odd number (3 will do) and NEVER yellow: it means you are breaking up.

More important, if you care to gain her heart, go down on her. Their men never do. Take your time, give her many Os and she will be your slave.

Do not use handkerchief, use paper tissue. Don't be surprised if they don't drink anything during a meal: it is their popular belief that drinking anything with your meal affects your 'digestion'. Just some cultural differences that you may want to keep in mind.

I love that country, especially their women. And no, most of them are not working girls, at all!

Hello, agree with you in topic dress. They don't have money for fashion dress but have style. Regerding hygiene disagree; a good warm shower (winter) is a luxory for most of them. But European or USA are not better, go with the public transportation and you will confirm: they have warm showers but don't use them correctly. And shower before sex, I sent Ukraiene, USA or Europe to the shower before we go to bed. Different in Asia, no chance for sex without shower

[Climaxnow]

Auto, Ukrainian / Russian women appreciate a well appointed man, more so that in other countries where a more 'aloof' look may be 'cool'. First, it shows you can afford to dress well. Most men in that area can't. Most cheap tourists can't or won't. You will see that most men, although they can't afford expensive clothes, they do match the colors very well, mostly black and gray. I received an education when yet another girl told me how they recognize an American tourist: we dress 'like crap'. The extremely casual 'dress code' of most Americans is not appreciated mostly nowhere else in the world, and especially in Eastern Europe. The are not as 'liberated' as we are. The typical American obviously shows with their clothing that they don't give a shit, because mostly they don't. Shorts, mismatching polo or t shirt, sandals. Sneakers at best. That is not liked there. They are 'European', and most so than the western European which are becoming more 'Americanized', therefore more casual. We are all about practicality, we introduced the widespread use of the jeans and even sneakers to places where a more formal attire is expected. To be 'formal' we add a blazer, but still jeans and sneakers. That does not bode well with their culture. Again, pay especial attention to clean, freshly buffed leather shoes and make sure your nails are cut short. If you are amiable to it, have them manicured: they definitely appreciate that. I had never done that in my life and it was a 23 years old Ukrainian beauty who outright 'told me' to do it.

They are not rich, but they do pay a lot of attention to hygiene. Every girl will always shower before and after sex with you, in your own room / apartment. They expect you to do the same, so just in case, hide all your valuables because you will disappear into the bathroom, and it is awkward to start collecting your money, etc. In front of her when leaving the bedroom.

If you use toothpicks, use them in the bathroom, not in the restaurant table as unfortunately many of our fellow Americans do. That is a no-no most anywhere else in the world.

Buy them roses, always odd number (3 will do) and NEVER yellow: it means you are breaking up.

More important, if you care to gain her heart, go down on her. Their men never do. Take your time, give her many Os and she will be your slave.

Do not use handkerchief, use paper tissue. Don't be surprised if they don't drink anything during a meal: it is their popular belief that drinking anything with your meal affects your 'digestion'. Just some cultural differences that you may want to keep in mind.

I love that country, especially their women. And no, most of them are not working girls, at all!

Yeah, yeah, and yeah! The topic of dressing well in EE has been discussed a jillion times on this thread. We get it! Why don't you share something deeper than what a typical tourist learns in five minutes with a dev? But that's probably not possible for you because an EE dev will smell your rotten soul a mile away.

[Jojosun]

? I go every 8 weeks, for one week and I will return the favor. I kept that visit stream for 5 years now. Next I will be there 20 to 30 of July

Where is River Palace now please? I used to enjoy that place a lot! Even the restaurant!

"You go every 8 weeks for one week, and kept that visit stream for 5 years now ".

Very Interesting? Yet you didn't even know that River Palace was closed in 2010 and wasn't reincarnated?

[Climaxnow]

Is this even real?

Nope! Half of the the reports on Kiev thread are from some schmuck with many user names that likes to talk to himself.