Kyiv

[LilJoey]

Thanksgiving weekend (November 24 --28)

I will be utilizing the long holiday from work on Thanksgiving weekend (November 24 -- 28) to celebrate the American holiday on which the traditional turkey is eaten, in my own special way, by traveling to Kiev, with a stopover in Vienna. Although many like the breast of the Turkey for its clean white meat with lower fat content, I have always been more partial to the dark meat of the turkey thighs. Perhaps there is a connection, or perhaps not. But, when it comes to women, I am definitely drawn to look first and evaluate the sexiness of a girl's flat stomach combined with the beautiful curve of her ass, and then my eyes drift to her luxurious thighs and legs. If they are in the finest form, the rush of sexual feelings toward that girl begins, and can continue to intensify even more, if her face is pretty too. The female breasts are the "pièce de résistance" of her femininity, but I am not the sort who needs them to be big, and I am very often quite drawn to women who have medium or even modest breasts, like the lithe bodies most dancers have. Yes, I know there are many guys, who fixate first on a woman's breasts, just as there are those who crave the white meat of the Turkey's breasts. But I am an "ass man", always have been, and always will be. I like the dark meat of the Turkey thigh, and I love the curve of a woman's hips and thighs even more.

And so on Thanksgiving, this Thursday, as my fellow Americans dine on traditional turkey dinners all across the land, ensconced amongst family and friends, I shall conduct my own version of this celebration, and shall dine on the lovely thighs of Joanna, a most delicious treat. She is a girl of whom I have dreamed ever since my sizzling hot meeting with her during my stopover at FKK Goldentime in Vienna on my way home from my last trip to Kiev in October.

Mmmmm. DATY with Joanna. What an appetizer! I am thinking of her most amazing body, flat stomach, really the sexiest ass, amazing curves, a perfectly shaped pussy that would bring any living man's motor to a roar, a tall and svelte young woman, very pretty of face, with long black gorgeous hair, a true cover girl, surely one of the finest females that Romania has offered to the denizens of fkk--land in a long while. And my dreams are filled with images of slamming that beautiful girl, but good, in every way and position that I can think of. I'm quite sure I will never be able to live up to the "Me" in my dreams, but it has been such great fun thinking about what I want to do with her, as I contemplate my trip this weekend. If she's not there at the club when I visit Goldentime, I will be royally disappointed. Then I will just have to find someone else to console myself with -- and there are many hotties walking around the Goldentime club.

I land in Vienna at 8:30am and my flight to Kiev departs Vienna at 5:50pm, so I figure I have about 4 hours to spend at Goldentime on Thursday, from their 11am opening time until about 3pm, when I must leave to get back to the airport. It is surely enough time to get into serious entanglements with the women there. However, I have promised myself not to go crazy on Thursday at FKK Goldentime trying to finish multiple times. Rather, my plan is to take it easy, and only session with the creme de la creme there, maybe for one or two longer sessions. I want to save my best energies for Thursday night in Kiev.

I will have three nights in Kiev (Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights) , and then I will head back to Vienna on Sunday November 17 for a final overnight there. My plan for Kiev involves the long list of quite a few numbers I got off of mamba. Ru for girls whose pictures look great and I can't decide if they might be totally fake or not, but am intrigued enough to investigate, as well as the hotties at Rio that I have identified as worthy previously. I am going to try to succeed in finally getting one of the Rio girls to spend the day with me on Friday or Saturday, and if I achieve that, it will be better than unknown mamba girls showing up. I am hoping to have a memorable trip to Kiev again, and then to finish off the weekend with a romp to remember at FKK Goldentime in Vienna on Sunday night, or perhaps try out some of the laufhaus establishments I have noted on the kontaktbazar. At.

Happy T-day Mongering to all.

LJ

[Kirch]

Ok, today a friend a me booked again Kiev. Flights for free (enough miles with Lufthansa) and USD 95 each for a huge 2 bedroom apartment. When I got the reservation I was confused because I know the address. Well, it's the net house to Rio! YEAHHHAAA! This is going to be fun!

Full program already so I hope we have time for Rio. In case anybody else is there, we are 2 nice German guys.

[Member #4274]

Mamba, Rio, facebook, buddha bar, skybar, Okey bar, Shooters, D'Lux, Arena and Mc Donalds@Khreshchyatyk. Simply I was impressed!

In 2 nights and 1 day I met one beautiful girl from Rio. But 300$ for 2-3hrs or 400$ if you take her out at early evening for no kissing (no, no. Activity kind of amazing girl) is a no go.

Therefore I went to shooters but it was chaotic full of guys having a party so I moved on to Arena. Same story as Rio finally I ended up at D'Lux. WoW this was fantastic (music, space and girls). After several tentative to find someone who speaks english I find two girls (Kristina and Nastya) dancing drinking and. Kissing! Finally we ended up in my hotel and in the morning I found out. 100$ each. For a great night of fun, flirt and. .

After some sleep and business meetings I was alone, hungry so walking down Khreshchyatyk I enter Mc Donalds, the door to the paradise. Hundreds of beautiful girls going in and out (students, street walkers, whatever girls) I was just impressed and after grabbing a coffee and a cake I sit down on a round table with 3 girls. I started to do my phone calls my emails and no attention to them but I saw how they were smiling to me and talking. After a while I asked if they speak english. One, Iryna, blond hot tall and tiny started to tell me that she and her girlfriend just finished lesson at the university and bla bla bla. Till mentioning about the fact that they are living together far away (1hr by train) from the city. As we were talking about the nightlife in Kiev (buddha bar, sky bar, the'lux) she was becoming more and more interested. At a certain point she told me that it was nice to have a conversation in english but their train is living in 10min even if she would stay but now she needs to go home with their girlfriends. I asked her where the problem is I will pay her later a taxi and we can have good party night together. She smiled talked to the other two. And she said ok but we stay all three. Ok, no problem! So from there we moved on and they show me St Andrew's Church than we went back to my hotel so that I could change from business to party animal and from there on we went to okey bar for aperò than to next door to buddha bar. First to the restaurant, than up to the bar. Dancing dancing. Whiskey. Gin tonics. And so much fun. We moved on to sky bar, nice people but too small, so we decided to go to discover the'lux again. And this was again "Number One" let me say. There the 2 ladies find some friends and I and Iryna find the way to my hotel. No comment from that moment onward but I will remember it for a long long time.

Making long story short: the most beautiful girls have high cost but low results and the casual encounters are amazing with high social and fun factor!

Good post, Joe Bi! Its good to read someone actually out and enjoying life in Kiev outside of Rio nightclub. You would think from reading this forum Rio was the only option in Kiev but it is not at all. In fact, I still think your way of doing things is far more entertaining and rewarding. With a little sense of adventure, style and character one can have a really time in one of Eastern Europe's great cities.

[Joe Bi]

Mamba, Rio, facebook, buddha bar, skybar, Okey bar, Shooters, D'Lux, Arena and McDonalds at Khreshchyatyk. Simply I was impressed!

In 2 nights and 1 day I met one beautiful girl from Rio. But 300$ for 2-3hrs or 400$ if you take her out at early evening for no kissing (no, no. Activity kind of amazing girl) is a no go.

Therefore I went to shooters but it was chaotic full of guys having a party so I moved on to Arena. Same story as Rio finally I ended up at D'Lux. WoW this was fantastic (music, space and girls). After several tentative to find someone who speaks english I find two girls (Kristina and Nastya) dancing drinking and. Kissing! Finally we ended up in my hotel and in the morning I found out. 100$ each. For a great night of fun, flirt and. .

After some sleep and business meetings I was alone, hungry so walking down Khreshchyatyk I enter Mc Donalds, the door to the paradise. Hundreds of beautiful girls going in and out (students, street walkers, whatever girls) I was just impressed and after grabbing a coffee and a cake I sit down on a round table with 3 girls. I started to do my phone calls my emails and no attention to them but I saw how they were smiling to me and talking. After a while I asked if they speak english. One, Iryna, blond hot tall and tiny started to tell me that she and her girlfriend just finished lesson at the university and bla bla bla. Till mentioning about the fact that they are living together far away (1hr by train) from the city. As we were talking about the nightlife in Kiev (buddha bar, sky bar, the'lux) she was becoming more and more interested. At a certain point she told me that it was nice to have a conversation in english but their train is living in 10min even if she would stay but now she needs to go home with their girlfriends. I asked her where the problem is I will pay her later a taxi and we can have good party night together. She smiled talked to the other two. And she said ok but we stay all three. Ok, no problem! So from there we moved on and they show me St Andrew's Church than we went back to my hotel so that I could change from business to party animal and from there on we went to okey bar for aperò than to next door to buddha bar. First to the restaurant, than up to the bar. Dancing dancing. Whiskey. Gin tonics. And so much fun. We moved on to sky bar, nice people but too small, so we decided to go to discover the'lux again. And this was again "Number One" let me say. There the 2 ladies find some friends and I and Iryna find the way to my hotel. No comment from that moment onward but I will remember it for a long long time.

Making long story short: the most beautiful girls have high cost but low results and the casual encounters are amazing with high social and fun factor!

[CallSign Papa]

You bring up an interesting point Tomux 22. Just like the prices for food, hotels and apartments, girls you rent by the hour will also go up markedly too. That's to be expected though and clearly, for most of us who've experience the best and worst of Kiev, we're unlikely to be returning until a good few weeks after the last ball has been kicked.

But given this pre-tournament inflation of prices, I'm wondering what will happen once the crowds leave and demand is greatly reduced. There are two points here:

1) There is a great probability that Kiev (heretofore a relatively quiet gem in EE) will become a much more popular destination for guys due to the high quality and quantity of poontang. This would play into the hands of those girls who are reluctant to reduce their inflated tournament rates.

2) If the girls of Rio and those high end clubs (D'Lux et al) get used to the increase in prices, it may well be a return to "grass roots" mongering more akin to my first visits there in 2004/5 (going to "normal" bars", using a bit of game and seeing how far that takes you).

I just think it's optimistic in the extreme to expect prices to drop back to pre-tournament levels, but then I'm a glass half empty kinda guy these days.

[AColonizer]

I expect males use their brains instead of their dickheads to deal a business because when there is money, gifts, a something exchange, that is just a business only.

I know you think to be right and on the right way, but I am sure the same girl asks 300$ for easy sex for one hour in Moscow with you (for example) , that same girl asks 50$ to have double pussy and ass deep fisting by a disgusting old man. Therefore that way to deal a business is stupid absolutely with no exceptions.

The problem is not the quantity of money men can pay but the problem is the result men have got.

Moscow is not for fucking prostitutes but it is for fucking normal girls. Kiev is in the middle between the past and the future.

If you look for a post of mine with a picture, you see a Romanian super-bi* working in Italy and for 50/75 euros she does everything for one hour any perversions you (and your friends together) can imagine, for 250 euros she does everything for a night any perversions you (and your friends together) can imagine. And when Ukrainian prostitutes weren't banned from Italy, they were young, beautiful, smart, piggish and cheaper than prostitutes in Kiev.

I thought to find somebody better in their countries of origin BUT I have realized the best ones are / were near my home. So I am sure the same for you, you have to improve your negotiating skills only.

The problem is different if you want to live in a harem and enjoy a 24-hour / day sex. I read through Internet most mongers are moving to Thailand and nearby countries because prices are still very cheap in those countries.

Economical crisis is hitting in all over the world and the next global recession is at the door. Nontheless Russian prostitutes and their pimps are so stupid to increase prices and decrease quality, and a lot of mongers are much more stupid to pay those prices for a condomed pussy fucking. Meanwhile a lot of mongers are moving to places with lower prices and a higher quality.

I like sex and I was very curious about prostitution because it is a way to understand the real nature of males and females. Now I know very well prostitution and female's mindset but I haven't become a sex / female addicted and I keep my common sense nontheless this shitting world. But remember, common sense doesn't mean to be a smiling gentleman!

Of course, but what do you expect? Prices at strip clubs are always extreme.

The only advantage to doing the deed on premises is the standard rate is often less because it might be just 30 minutes. So in Moscow at least the offer is usually $300 or so for 30 min, or $500 take out (with some negotiation possible).

[Robreefer]

Hi all. New here.

I'm traveling to Kyiv next week for an emergency family visit, and it will be only the 3rd time I've been there (previous two I did not have the opportunities to explore fun). I've been reading several posts in this forum, but all I've seen (for the most part) is related to clubs.

I found a site (escort-models. Com) where they have gals offering services for around 80 euros. Not sure if someone has already asked and / or a discussion on this has been made. If so, I apologize for asking a repetitive question: Is this site legit?

I will be likely staying on Kreschatik, as I find it more comfortable than anywhere else. Most of my time will be spent in the West Bank, but I will be enjoying the beautiful center for a couple of days.

Also, I've heard you can find some little' hotties at Gidro. But what about this time of year, and is there a preferred etiquette?

Thanks in advance.

Hey Tumblweed,

I am currently in Kiev and I have not used escort-models. Com but I have used top-modals. Com. I was very impressed with the girl who came, however she was not the one in the picture I believe. Although, with any online source the pictures are not to be trusted. I would say like many other things, with more money comes better quality. You will see on the site that the girls are offered at different prices. I settled on a 1000UAH girl to ensure that she would be worth it. Indeed, she was a great girl.

If you are looking for a sure thing it is best to visit the strip club Rio. The prices are very steep and non negotiable but the quality is unmatched. Also, just cruising the nightclubs like D'Lux and Budha bar you will find some nice quality that you can pick and choose from. Negotiating in night clubs is easy.

[TumblWeed]

Hi all. New here.

I'm traveling to Kyiv next week for an emergency family visit, and it will be only the 3rd time I've been there (previous two I did not have the opportunities to explore fun). I've been reading several posts in this forum, but all I've seen (for the most part) is related to clubs.

I found a site (escort-models. Com) where they have gals offering services for around 80 euros. Not sure if someone has already asked and / or a discussion on this has been made. If so, I apologize for asking a repetitive question: Is this site legit?

I will be likely staying on Kreschatik, as I find it more comfortable than anywhere else. Most of my time will be spent in the West Bank, but I will be enjoying the beautiful center for a couple of days.

Also, I've heard you can find some little' hotties at Gidro. But what about this time of year, and is there a preferred etiquette?

Thanks in advance.

[Latexian2]

Hey, I understand Kiev is spoilt and girls are expensive like in Western Europe, but don't you think to be stupid paying those high rates?

Of course, but what do you expect? Prices at strip clubs are always extreme.

The only advantage to doing the deed on premises is the standard rate is often less because it might be just 30 minutes. So in Moscow at least the offer is usually $300 or so for 30 min, or $500 take out (with some negotiation possible).

[Tomux 22]

Hey, I understand Kiev is spoilt and girls are expensive like in Western Europe, but don't you think to be stupid paying those high rates?

Lets take an example. New "Bmw" is half the cost in Germany like in Scandinavia. The reason for that, goverment have high enviroment taxes etc.

Now the car is the same but you pay half the price in Germany.

In this case cost of living shoud be the issue, thowards how much the price level shoud be. Now I never have been in Ukraine and its not for me to say, but first impression its highly overpricet.

Now will it make me from going this summer to Kiev after football 2012. No. Unfortunatley I will be one of those stupid guys that pay 300 or 400 or even 500.

For me its not about having sex with all of dievuskas. I am young and rly not bad looking! From the people I know, no one coud even think of I buy sex. Since girls actully kinda like me.

Thowards mongering. Only thing I know I love it, its like a drug and am addicted. Yes am willing to pay the price.

[AColonizer]

Hey, I understand Kiev is spoilt and girls are expensive like in Western Europe, but don't you think to be stupid paying those high rates?

[LilJoey]

It's not advertised openly, that is what the guy reported he heard. There are many strip clubs in Moscow that allow sex-on-premises. Usually you pay the club ($50-$100) for a room a negotiate a price with a girl separately, although the girls often have agreed upon standard prices.

Those prices of $250 / hr are what you might get pitched a a nightclub, but unless the girls at such places are true 10's, there's nothing to think abou, t when for another $50 you can get 3 hours with a girl from Rio.

[Latexian2]

But the review you cited said that 2000 UAH was the price for one hour "all inclusive" at the club. That's $250 for 1 hour. That's a ridiculously high price for an hour with an escort, but it is a strip club after all. What I am wondering about is how can they have "all inclusive" at the club? Judging by the pains the management at Rio takes to distance themselves from the actual "dating" of customers by their girls, which I assumed was because of LE, how can they get away with advertising it openly.

It's not advertised openly, that is what the guy reported he heard. There are many strip clubs in Moscow that allow sex-on-premises. Usually you pay the club ($50-$100) for a room a negotiate a price with a girl separately, although the girls often have agreed upon standard prices.

[LilJoey]

From their website a private dance is $50 (400 hrn.) which is more expensive than Rio, although an "erotic massage" is just $60 or so (500 hrn.) for 30 min, which is so low it's hard to imagine what that could include. Take a look at the crazy menu on the website:

http://www.redheat.com.ua/blog/news

Although it does look like they have "erotic sushi" which from my understanding is a sushi roll served on the belly of a girl, with her belly button area acting as a dish to hold the soy sauce. You then eat it off of her. Definitely something I'd try just for grins.

I think this calls for more research!

Also you can get some kind of discount it looks like:

There are some great reviews of strip clubs on this site written by locals (in Russian – use Google translate if you can't read Russian) :

http://ebiteua.com/topic6423-stripkl...miniobzor.html

Their information on Rio is the same as ours (30-40 girls, $300 for 2-3 hours takeout, about 75% of the girls do takeout, etc.) For Red Heat this is the only report (23/8/11) :

After going through that entire discussion I think Rio is the best option based on their reviews, both as a strip club (private dances are cheaper than elsewhere) and for takeout options.

That review about Red Heat you cited made me recoil as I read it. Yet, my curiosity was initially aroused by the girl on mamba who said she was a dancer there and her pics on mamba were hot, at least a 7. 5, but they could be fake. Maybe I will meet the girl first and if she is good looking enough, I will follow up with a visit to her club when she is dancing there, so at least I can escape into her arms, if that "colonel" lady mentioned in the review comes after me.

As to what might be available there for the prices you cited, I would assume the 500 UAH for 30 minutes price for an erotic massage might be for what the local massage parlors call an erotic massage, I. E. A handjob. It is quite a bit more expensive than the erotic massage in massage parlors around town who ask for 350 UAH for an hour long erotic massage, which is double the time period. See for example the price list at Salon Dolly http://www.salondolly.com/index.php/en/TSenyi.html, but strip club prices are usually much higher in these types of things. But the review you cited said that 2000 UAH was the price for one hour "all inclusive" at the club. That's $250 for 1 hour. That's a ridiculously high price for an hour with an escort, but it is a strip club after all. What I am wondering about is how can they have "all inclusive" at the club? Judging by the pains the management at Rio takes to distance themselves from the actual "dating" of customers by their girls, which I assumed was because of LE, how can they get away with advertising it openly.

[Latexian2]

Thanks. I found the same info by doing a simple google search. What I want to find out is whether Red Heat has take out, and at what prices, which is relevant as to whether it might be an alternative to Rio. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother to go there.

From their website a private dance is $50 (400 hrn.) which is more expensive than Rio, although an "erotic massage" is just $60 or so (500 hrn.) for 30 min, which is so low it's hard to imagine what that could include. Take a look at the crazy menu on the website:

http://www.redheat.com.ua/blog/news

Although it does look like they have "erotic sushi" which from my understanding is a sushi roll served on the belly of a girl, with her belly button area acting as a dish to hold the soy sauce. You then eat it off of her. Definitely something I'd try just for grins.

I think this calls for more research!

Also you can get some kind of discount it looks like:

Discount!
Receive a coupon from "Red Heat"!
Send an email to redheat2011@mail.ru with the text "Aktsia" «Акция».
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There are some great reviews of strip clubs on this site written by locals (in Russian – use Google translate if you can't read Russian):

http://ebiteua.com/topic6423-stripkl...miniobzor.html

Their information on Rio is the same as ours (30-40 girls, $300 for 2-3 hours takeout, about 75% of the girls do takeout, etc.) For Red Heat this is the only report (23/8/11):

Damn! What should I do? I had the idea to find out about "Red Heat" on Sagadachnogo. It turned out that it was a horrible idea! I've never seen such a dreadful place before. At the door a crocodile [ugly woman] came up to me in a police cap and began to explain how they have the coolest atmosphere and most beautiful girls. I'm not sure who she had in mind, as the lineup there was like streetwalkers but with dancing. "All inclusive" costs 2000 hryvnia for 1 hour at the club. I ended up not trying it, because the "Colonel" in the cap and with the tits of a hero-mother [an award given to mothers in the Soviet Union who gave birth to many children] eradicated all my sexual desire.

After going through that entire discussion I think Rio is the best option based on their reviews, both as a strip club (private dances are cheaper than elsewhere) and for takeout options.