Kyiv

[Mystery77]

Dear Kirch,

Read all my earlier posts. Don't be lazy. In fact read this thread going back to March. Some of it is entertaining. Some is informative. Make notes (copy / paste what seems like good info into a document you can review and refer to later).

And you're good to go.

LJ

Yes from my many months of reviewing & being entertained on this forum. There are 4-7 guys that come up with great reports & details that can serve you well. LJ, Irish, Prosal, Travel, etc, some post more than others but check their past reports. They will serve you well ESPECIALLY if you are coming for a few days & thats the end of that. Its not hard to meet women, again its not hard to fail on a night out for improper attitude, you can fail because some will leech you till the end & catch a taxi home for 1 example. Which is so common world wide. With field time, understanding, & good advice, lets add good company with friends or fellow ISG lads. Things can get really entertaining. Recently I met 2 fellas here hit Rio for some drinks. We hit a club after. Met some girls before Rio, Immy was meeting his lady, I met mine around the same time we co-ordinated. His gal brought a translator as she could not speak english. My gal brought a translator as she could not speak english (though online she could). In the end of the coffee date 1 hour to 2 hours. We parted company from the girls. I had enough nothing was going to happen today with these ladies. Then we met frenchy (I don't know your aka here pm me for the future). We left to the Rio, great time we had talking drinking, watching the show, some hotties but not many 10's or 9' on the Saturday did I see, upstairs. British Stag party & a turkish convention there it seemed. We got a table 100 grn to the manager compliments to LJ knowledge. Clubbing later I picked up a few numbers. 2 girls I'm meeting later this week. One for pizza (again!) & wine at my place. She's bringing her friend great. The other to assist me with Russian, & she's a good girl. Regarding the coffee date, I'm Skyping with the translator of my meet girl with Immy. & She wants to be sponsored, weekend she says she can come around. Back to the night out I returned home at 8am or something, got "room service" from Top Modals & had a pretty good session with some big tits & tattoos. Think of your short term or long term plan. Rio is great if you here for a few days & have a little cash. Top Modals or whatever site can be fun. I've met 4 people from the "pay & go" net since this arrival. & unlike my first trip. I have been content with all encounters physically & sexually. Again I have been here for months & confidence is growing. Competance more so thanks to experience & time, & of course the forum.

[LilJoey]

First of all, sorry for my bad English I'm German and unfortunately we don't have such a great Forum in German. I'll be in Kiev from Wednesday on and I would like to know where are the best places to pick up girls. I did some research and I don't know if this is still up to date.

Stripclubs Rio & Mandarin: Lots of young ladies for about USD 300 for 2 h?

River Palace Boat: about 100 girls every night; USD 200 for 2 h and USD 300 for night?

Restaurants Seif, Buddha Bar, Decandance House: Models that want to be invited for dinner and then hope to get USD 500 for 2 h?

Discos Arena, Shooters, Avalon and Salminsky: Students and other girls but looking more for soemone going out and paying for shopping?

I tried mamba. Ru but it is a lot of work and most of them don't speak English or German. But the average girls just ask for about USD 30-40 each hour.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks

Dear Kirch,

You claim to have done research before posting your questions. Did your research perhaps include this very thread as recently as the day before your post? I doubt it. If it had, you surely would have encountered the post I made the day before on October 30, which contained links to my prior posts in which the answers to your questions, and much more other relevant information would have been at your disposal.

Here is the link:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1211994

Go and start reading. You need to not be lazy and to read this thread going back as many months as you can, preferably back until at least March. I have taken pains and invested much effort in providing as up to date and detailed information as I could on the p4p options in Kiev for this thread, in order to spoon feed this information to newbies.

But what can I do if the baby will not take the spoon in its mouth?

I have focussed on the p4p options, more than the nightclub freebie scene, but the freebie scene in the nightclubs has also been covered in the thread.

As Gergiev recently wrote to you, River Palace does not exist anymore since last year. The girls have gone to Moscow, and those that stayed in Kiev can be found in places like Buddha Bar after 11pm or 12 midnite, or in other nightclubs. Neither does strip club Mandarin exist anymore (although managers at Rio have been speaking of its re-opening "soon" all this year).

Nightclub girls (the really hot ones) have been asking $400 or $500 for an hour, which can sometimes be negotiated down to the same price for two hours, or for a lesser amount for one hour, depending on your mongering skills and how hard up they are for your cash. Some have reported negotiating with a nightclub girl down to $200 USD for two hours, but I don't know what that girl looks like. It's the same process as used to exist at the River Palace, where the less fabulous looking girls would compromise on their price as the night wore on more easily than the really hot girls would do so.

At Rio the girls are younger than most were at River Palace and to my mind there are many more very hot young girls at Rio. The price at Rio is $300 USD for three hours. If you want more hours or the whole night, you will need to pay more. I have been asked for $400 for the night (I. E. Until 5am) , and for more cash for staying more hours than 5am. I have also succeeded in having some girls stay more than three hours, and even for the night for the original $300. The girls usually want to get back to the club by 5am closing to collect their money, so unless you succeed in getting the girl to agree to stay longer, that is the default end-time of the all night date for a girl from Rio. The same rates apply to the sister club of Rio, which is called Paradise, and is located about a 30 -- 40 minute taxi ride from the downtown Kiev center area. The same girls who dance at Rio, rotate to go dance at Paradise.

The mamba. Ru prices you mentioned are not accurate. Currently on mamba. Ru the prices being asked will vary between 400 UAH ($50 USD) , to 600 UAH ($75 USD) , to 800 UAH ($100 USD) , and some hotties on mamba. Ru have even asked for $200 USD or $300 USD. I have also received responses on mamba. Ru asking for 300 UAH ($37. 50 USD) but such a low price is usually for an erotic massage, rather than full sex including oral and classic. So clarify the services included when being quoted such low prices. And if such a low price is for full sex, seriously watch out for what the woman might look like, and don't be surprised if she is older, fat or ugly. Now it is also true that a very plain or ugly girl might also show up to your door from mamba. Ru who had asked a higher price too. This is why using mamba. Ru is a gamble and time consuming, because most guys will send away an unappealing looking girl. However, many guys report having gotten a nice looking girl finally, after several tries with mamba. Ru, including myself, so it is worth trying.

Such low prices of $100 USD / hr or less are also advertised on top-modals. Com, as well as other internet sites, with the same caveats about what type of girl will actually show up. In fact one can see a number of girls from mamba. Ru also advertising their pictures on top-modals. Com. Although on top-modals. Com there is a filter for "real photo", none of us is quite sure it can still be relied on. I have gotten two girls, who have since become my regulars, off of top-modals. Com website last year in 2010, who did use real photos of themselves, and still do in their ads on top-modals. Com and on mamba. Ru. But the current predomination on top-modals. Com of what is clearly ads put in by agencies, makes it more likely that they are lying when they say "real photo" for their girls, and the agency will send you whoever is available.

Yes, most of the girls do not speak English, and less speak German. But the language barrier need not be an insurmountable challenge. Speak to the girl who answers the phone for an agency that might speak English, and communicate your desires to her (she will claim to be the girl that is coming, but this is bullshit) , and request that the girl that is coming be instructed as to what was agreed beforehand. When the girl arrives, if you like her appearance and are going to keep her, use some simple Russian phrases that you may have learned to make an attempt at being charming, and greet her, tell her your name, ask hers, offer her a drink, and use sign language for the rest (I. E. To indicate where the shower is, and give her a clean towel, etc.) She knows the rest and has done this before. Conversation is really not so important. Likely, with you showered and laying in bed with her, she will begin to fondle your "shfantz" and try to get it hard enough to put on a condom, and proceed to give you oral sex, which, after a short time, she will simply stop and expect you to fuck her. That's what's generally included in a standard session. A short covered BJ and classic sex. If you want more, you need to speak this out with the girl who answers the phone, and hope it was communicated to the girl who comes. A last resort might be that you have to call her agency phone girl and ask her to tell the girl what you want regarding services in the middle of your session. If you want to try to get a GFE experience with the girl, and you would keep her more than the hour, it might be worth it to waste some time on trying to communicate and achieve a nice rapport with her, so then use your laptop computer and Google Translate to type messages back and forth, or to speak to her, in Russian.

For language issues you are concerned about, the suggestion I made concerning going to visit brothels or girl apartments, is applicable to the situation of a girl who comes to your apartment that only speaks Russian also, namely, prepare in advance, using Google Translate, a written list of questions or statements you can anticipate wanting to state or ask to a girl, in connection with her services and what you want, formulated for a yes or no response. Then you can simply point to a question on your list, have her read it in Russian, and shake her head yes or no, or she can say "Da" or "Nyet", which I assume you know what that means. For example, if you want to ask her,"Will you give me an uncovered blow job (Naturfranzösisch)?") [In Russian this is "Miniet bez preservativa"]. You can simply point to the written question on your printed out sheet, and she will understand exactly what you want. You can anticipate her probably saying "no". And if you anticipate you might want to follow up with other questions like,"Will you give uncovered oral sex for additional money?" or "how much additional money do you want for giving an uncovered blow job?", then simply prepare all your questions translated into Russian in advance.

Add D'lux to your list of nightclubs you want to check out, as it is one of the latest popular hot clubs in town.

Read all my earlier posts. Don't be lazy. In fact read this thread going back to March. Some of it is entertaining. Some is informative. Make notes (copy / paste what seems like good info into a document you can review and refer to later).

And you're good to go.

LJ

[Prosal]

. The idea is just to portray your life in the best possible light whilst discretely glossing over the mundane and the negatives.

Seconded. It always helps to talk about your life, your experience, the places you've visited, ect. No need to brag with all that, though. Just easily, casually throw some countries and places into your discussion when you talk to a girl. Mention some stories that happened to you in different places, and so on. Most girls haven't traveled much, and it impresses them tremendously if you show them that you have. The initial caution due to age difference turns to curiousity and then to fascination as most of the girls warm up to the idea of an experienced boyfriend or lover. Nonetheless I always keep in mind that they also have things to teach me. Their cultural knowledge is often astounding (thanks to the Russian "rote learning" system) , especially when it comes to literature, and they feel flattered if you ask questions and have interest in what they know.

[It Travel]

I'm not going to do a long post on the Russian visa system, but yes you need a visa to go there for EU citizens and Americans. It's very easy to get a tourist visa though, and you don't need a hotel reservation. Tourist visas are for a maximum of 30 days. You also need to register which can be a pain if you're not staying in hotels (renting apartments instead) but recently the law was changed just this year to allow you up to 7 business days to register, so if you move around you basically never need to register (although as IT says you might still get hassled at the border on the way out –*although this very rare).

First there is no way (if you do not have a CIS passport) to get from UA to Russian Federation without a visa, nor by train / bus / flight.

I can say for my experience, I'm a one lucky few holder of a permanent (180 days maximum. 90 days in row, unlimted entry, unlimited travel, renovated almost automatically every year) Russian visa valid for almost all the country (not Chechnya) and the visa got me out of trouble several times in the past years with the police. They, if you ask them for a shop address, or a metro station, can and tend to be very friendly, and normally would start a chit chat where you are from and so on.

What I am meaning is that a normal guy never been to Russia, and not speaking (or reading) a word will feel like a big pain in the ass going thought all procedures: invitation, visa, insurance, travel, getting to a hotel (with Moscow taxis. But there is the train and the metro too today) etc etc.

The Russian visa rules are changing as fast as they are rechanging. The border authorities tend to 'use' the most limitative version, independently if a newer, more open one, is out.

Going as self standing tourist is in fact simple, (Moscow, Petersburg or major cities). The pain gets out if you want to wonder or if your landlord do not register you.

If in the Visa application, for instance, Kazan in not mentioned (in a tourist visa, or in a visa for 'invited' guests, like those sometimes provided by landlords) in an express way you will never be able to buy a train or flight ticket from Moscow to Kazan. The OVIR registration (we all still cal it so but it's carried out by the police since the end of 2004) , if done by yourself, is a pain in the ass, so I tend always to go to hotels in Russia. By the way the rules are very controvert.

Before (up to April 11, 2011) you have to register within 72 hours after your arrival (the travel document proof the arrival and the passport stamps too) not excluding weekends, but Sundays and public holidays only. Now the term is up to 7 days. On ground all hotels (even in the enormous Taiga) carry out this process almost in real time, giving you a numbered recipe, if the police stops you without a registration may be after 4-5 days you got in. It may be. Lest say not a fun, especially if you are not in a group of tourists in Moscow and you look suspect. What I mean with "look suspect" any one who is almost everyone not white and light hair coloured.

Theoretically you could go to Moscow and stay 3 days, and then go home without registering. Generally it's wrong. Because the laws gives you a maximum time to reregister in Russia, but registering is mandatory even for Russians. In practice you should register every time you get in / out and hotel even if you sleep on night or you change city. That is the simplest way to get no problems and no hassles.

Just my two cents since some experience.

IT.

PS these guys gives a quite good, not perfect in my opinion, photo of how the situation is.

http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVi...istration.html

My advice is to register ASAP (it's the first thing I do when arrived). Once I did not (was in the 72 hours but did a City, address and a Republic change inside the federation, from Russia to Tatarstan) and had registration problems. Got fined (with a proper receipt) at Kazan airport.

MONGERS SOLUTION:

In my travels, I usually rent a hotel room for two (king bed) , present my self, ad say there is a delay. Usually the price difference is simply the breakfast. Get my night toy. Register her and do what I want!

[Latexian2]

Before this topic drifts away one shouldn't overlook the attraction of a decent hotel room to girls in some of these provincial cities.

A lot of young and not-so young ladies will never have been inside one in the centre of their own city or any other for that matter and have a curiosity about what goes on there and the perceived glamour therein.

Or even sometimes an apartment in the city centre, on or near the main street, will be a charm for someone brought up and living in the Kommunalkas, especially if they have a young child at home and little prospect of upward mobility.

That's been my occasional experience anyway.

Very good point. I once had a girl in a provincial city I had taken to dinner ask me what the inside of the hotel looked like in her city. Talk about an easy way to get a girl upstairs.

[Robreefer]

Note: Having had such a great time during my recent trips to Kiev, I am currently in the process of considering another trip to Kiev, (to include a stopover on the way back home either at an FKK in Vienna or Frankfurt) for the upcoming Thanksgiving holiday weekend November 24 – 28.

LJ

Thanks for the great report LJ. Very informative, I wish you would have put this out before I made my first trip! I will be coming back while you're there, I hope we can meeet up.

[Member #4274]

River Palace no longer there.

Moved on several months ago when the new government came into office.

Its very true, River Palace closed at the end of July in 2010. I know this as I was in Kyiv at the time and was fortunate enough to have gone to RP five or six times before it surprisingly was shut down. A real shame. However, I have heard on numerous occassions that a new location was to open for this bordello but it has yet to happen. I am actually quite surprised it has not as RP was quite popular from what I witnessed, anyway.

[Gergiev]

Pictures of you leaning on Lamborghini's just looks try hard and will raise suspicions (the girl would wonder why you're in a cheap apartment somewhere in deepest Udmurtia and not Cannes. They already wonder WTF we are doing in these towns as it is ). The best photos are not fake or set up but just of you with your friends having a good time. It immediately gives you the social proof that you're lacking as a lone traveller. You with some good looking women would be good too. Also photos in cool locations so that you can use that to tell her a story about it which will raise your value. You should have a photo of your place of residence too, however not just a picture of your house by itself, that will look try hard. Instead have a picture of you sitting on your sofa (if you have a nice living room) looking good. That way the house is kind of incidental, however she will study it carefully and know that you are a man of quality and that she would feel comfortable visiting you there should you be kind enough to invite her one day (this would be a good picture to use the Latexian kiss strategy I would think ). I also have a couple of pictures in the file that have no value at all to the narrative (I. E out of focus shots, random picture of someone with half their head cropped off) again this just allays any suspicions that I'm bragging or being try hard and just makes the photo file look like any other file people would have on their laptop. This is quite important.

Indeed. But this is not that the girls will see you as a big fat wallett, but as someone correspondingly well-groomed they want to hang out with, have some fun with, and worth to have an adventure with.

Before this topic drifts away one shouldn't overlook the attraction of a decent hotel room to girls in some of these provincial cities.

A lot of young and not-so young ladies will never have been inside one in the centre of their own city or any other for that matter and have a curiosity about what goes on there and the perceived glamour therein.

Or even sometimes an apartment in the city centre, on or near the main street, will be a charm for someone brought up and living in the Kommunalkas, especially if they have a young child at home and little prospect of upward mobility.

That's been my occasional experience anyway...

[Gergiev]

I did some research and I don't know if this is still up to date.

River Palace Boat: about 100 girls every night; USD 200 for 2 h and USD 300 for night?

River Palace no longer there.

Moved on several months ago when the new government came into office.

[Prosal]

It is sad that my country is represented by a silly guy here.

After being caught red-handed of mythomania, you shouldn't post any more, you're only making a fool of yourself more and more.

Reading your past posts, you've never been to Russia.

[Mystery77]

First of all, sorry for my bad English I'm German and unfortunately we don't have such a great Forum in German. I'll be in Kiev from Wednesday on and I would like to know where are the best places to pick up girls. I did some research and I don't know if this is still up to date.

Stripclubs Rio & Mandarin: Lots of young ladies for about USD 300 for 2 h?

River Palace Boat: about 100 girls every night; USD 200 for 2 h and USD 300 for night?

Restaurants Seif, Buddha Bar, Decandance House: Models that want to be invited for dinner and then hope to get USD 500 for 2 h?

Discos Arena, Shooters, Avalon and Salminsky: Students and other girls but looking more for soemone going out and paying for shopping?

I tried mamba. Ru but it is a lot of work and most of them don't speak English or German. But the average girls just ask for about USD 30-40 each hour.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks

30-40$$ Take me to your leader! & I hope she's spicy =)

This either tells me I'm getting old or I'm getting to used to looking at this forum.

If we knock off $10's we could get good rates to time in the Congo.

This is fishing for cheap rates which will only exist if you are a hardcore experienced player on the floor in your domain. & you're looking at making concessions, or monthly rates.

Freebies are in the clubs if you style or game. Mama Mia meaty Pizza. 2 potatoes, lasanga, chicken wings. 250 grn.

[Latexian2]

If you do not have regular business visa (the "permanent", yearly one) , it's quite difficult to get for the first time to Russia with no tourist pacakge (at least an hotel, reserved and paid). And then you have the OVIR registration, more or less automatic and simple if living in an hotel. Not if you rent a house, and you might have alot of fun with Russian border officals if you try to get out with no registration.

IT.

PS It's still Russia.

I'm not going to do a long post on the Russian visa system, but yes you need a visa to go there for EU citizens and Americans. It's very easy to get a tourist visa though, and you don't need a hotel reservation. Tourist visas are for a maximum of 30 days. You also need to register which can be a pain if you're not staying in hotels (renting apartments instead) but recently the law was changed just this year to allow you up to 7 business days to register, so if you move around you basically never need to register (although as IT says you might still get hassled at the border on the way out –*although this very rare).

What this means is it's a huge advantage to go to Ukraine because you don't have to worry about all this crap (Belarus is basically the same as Russia in this regard). Other easier things in Ukraine are traveling by train (no passport) and buying a SIM card. Officially in Russia you have to have registration in the city you're buying a SIM card (so if you want to buy a card in Volgograd with a Volgograd area code you need a Volgograd registration). Ukraine has none of this kind of hassle. Just give them $5 and you get your SIM card.

These and other things really show how Ukraine is more tourist-friendly. It's also much, much cheaper for basically everything except pros (and still slightly cheaper for that). Food, accomodation, even train tickets are much cheaper than in Russia, even in the provinces of Russia. It's a much better destination for mongers than Russia, which is why I'm always surprised the Russian forum is on the first page here at ISG and not Ukraine. That's especially true for first-timers and newcomers who don't speak Russian/Ukrainian. I would recommend all of them to go to Ukraine over Russia, unless they have business in Russia or want to combine mongering with seeing some tourist sites.

As to this topic about danger I agree Ukraine is better than Russia, especially if you're non-white. The reason is Russia (Moscow mainly) has had a huge influx of people from Central Asia and the Caucasus to do menial jobs like construction. They tend to be non-white (asian or dark-caucasus looking). This has created a real underclass in Moscow. The reason Prosal can say one thing and others another is that this underclass you would never meet at a club. They even avoid the metro. So racism is alive and well while at the same time you can meet beautiful Russian people who are educated and well-traveled. This is not a knock, New York and Paris have similar issues.

This is not theoretical. I have had three black friends living in Russia. One of them is "Russian" as far as Americans would be concerned; he was born in Russia to an African father (who left) and a Russian mother. He's never left Russia and speaks no language but Russian. In America he would be "American" (like Obama) but in Russia like in most of Europe he will never be considered part of the nationality with a shared historical and geneological heritage. In 2010 he was badly beaten up at Chistie Prudi and put in the hospital for several weeks with many broken bones.

I have another friend from Trinidad who was spit on in Boarhouse (now Chesterfields) which is a very foreigner-friendly establishment (or used to be at least). The group of Russians who spit on him were next to us and wanted to fight. The manager came over and asked us to leave, and while he was sympathetic to us he said he didn't want any trouble so it was in everyone's interest if the black guy left the bar. We of course all left with him.

The closest thing in Ukraine is the venom against gypsies (Tsygani) especially in Western Ukraine. There is rampant racism against gypsies in Ukraine. If you look kind of mulatto this could really work against you especially in the provinces. You'd be better off to be very black than mulatto in Ukraine for this reason. Latin/SA is also a great look, I've seen some Spaniards and Brazilians clean up in Shooters.

[Toptraveler1]

Hello, thanks for this message. I haver never been in Russia but several times in Ukraine and mainly due to this reason: Visa free. Can I get a visa for Rusia in the airpot there? Or do I have to manage this here in my city with all this complicate administartion? Thanks in advance for your assistance

You need visa before going to Russia. It is usually easier to apply through a travel or visa agencies. They can get you invitation, insurance and visa. Of course they charge you more.

[It Travel]

Hello, thanks for this message. I haver never been in Russia but several times in Ukraine and mainly due to this reason: Visa free. Can I get a visa for Rusia in the airpot there? Or do I have to manage this here in my city with all this complicate administartion? Thanks in advance for your assistance

Really. You do not know. Only Russian Federation Consular Offices can issue a Visa for Russia. And you have to get an invitation too (may be only an hotel reservation).

It's very simple if you have no visa you will never get on a flight to Russia, nobody will issue you a Boarding Card, and if you have a self printed one you must put in the air company site your Passport number and your Visa number, and they will control all before you board any plane. Far simple, but for EU citizen, it's far simpler to get to the US.

If you do not have regular business visa (the "permanent", yearly one) , it's quite difficult to get for the first time to Russia with no tourist pacakge (at least an hotel, reserved and paid). And then you have the OVIR registration, more or less automatic and simple if living in an hotel. Not if you rent a house, and you might have alot of fun with Russian border officals if you try to get out with no registration.

IT.

PS It's still Russia.

[Sponsor74]

Monsieur, you are wrong. First of all western 'sex tourists' need visa to go to Russia and this is not the case for Ukraine and this is the reason why you see more 'sex tourists' in Kiev. But if they could go to Russia without visa application I am sure that many would go there. The second point is that Moscow is much bigger than Kiev so you may have the feeling that there are less sex workers in Moscow but this is not true. Finally the last point is that there are many girls who are obliged to work in very bad conditions especially girls from Russian far provinces, Ukraine and Moldavia who are completely under the control of their pimps in Moscow.

Your point is that russians as they have more money, are smart and good looking compared to ukrainians so they are more tolerant and Moscow is a safe place for foreign people. As you are French, just remember that a French guy has been killed in a horrible way just few months ago in Moscow and we never find the murderer even if authorities try to strangle the murder and this is just a mediatic exemple. So the unsafely is not just for so called 'economic refugees' in Moscow as you mention. You must know also that people you call 'economic refugees' are usually living in Moscow for decades!

http://www.parismatch.com/Actu-Match...-Moscou-90769/

Living in Paris I don't see hundred of thousand Russian tourists here as you say. I know even France is not on top of Russian favorite destinations as the favorites are Turkey, Egypt and China.

You say my posts revealed this or that. Please be more serious when you are searching comments. My first comment on Moscow was on 06/17/07, longtime before you even joined this forum and the last one was when I left the city on 07/15/10. So as you see I spent more than 3 years in Moscow. Saying this, I am not surprised that you declare so strange things about ukrainians and russians.

I think the second point is that as your posts show, since 2010 you have been in many cities and countries (Tashkent, Sao Paulo, Bucharest, Minsk, Paris, Rio, Tiraspol, Chisinau, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kiev, Moscow, Odessa, etc) so it is clear to me that you did not have enough time or a real opportunity to know Moscow or Kiev and the people who live there. I don't want to argue anymore as it seems to me you like things that you don't really know. Maybe this is your french side!

Bonne route!

Hello, thanks for this message. I haver never been in Russia but several times in Ukraine and mainly due to this reason: Visa free. Can I get a visa for Rusia in the airpot there? Or do I have to manage this here in my city with all this complicate administartion? Thanks in advance for your assistance